Why are they so good at war?

Why are they so good at war?

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We are?

back in Prussia basically everyone was in the military

HA HA HA HA HA HA

Yeah you almost took over the entire world, twice. Even coronachan can't finish you off, as opposed to Italians for example.

Is it because Germans blindly follow orders?

>Why are they so good at war?
is that so?

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I dunno if starting and losing 2 world wars counts as being "good at war"

What they are undeniably good at is getting back on their feet after hitting bottom.

they are good at shocking but they did lose the important ones

Germans are good at battles, but terrible at wars.

>Be savage bavarian barbarian living in a frozen tent
>Try to attack the Romans, a civilization infinitely superior to your own
>Get crushed
>Spend 500 years getting pushed around like a cuck
>Rome finally falls
>Try to grab territory but the Franks invade
>Spend 500 years getting pushed around like a cuck
>Finally get free when your masters die
>Go back to being a cultural tumor on Europe
>Decide to larp as Romans after recognizing how superior meds are to you
>Create unnecessary divide in Christendom and prep Europe for a Muslim invasion
>Go back and decided to suppress the reforms
>Fail horribly
>See USA breaking free of imperialism and tyranny and trying to make a free people
>Sperg out and try to stop them
>Get ass kicked
>USA rises up to accomplish more feats and gain more land than you ever have
>Your people flock to the USA like flies and somehow become good people (Seriously, something about migrating to America humanized Germans)
>Go into an anti American Jihad for 200 years
>Mere mention of the USA sends Germans into autistic rage
>Get your ass fucked by superior nations for 300 years
>Finally unify under the only German with an IQ over 70
>Proclaim yourself an "empire"
>Get cocky and start a world war
>Commit atrocities all the way
>USA finally puts an end to your larping
>"HURR DURR IT WUZ DE JEWS"
>Commit even worse atrocities along the way
>USA puts an end to your larping
>They are forced to become a superpower to stick up for you and provide protection
>USA still makes sure you get the food and money you don't deserve
>USA unifies you again
>USA saves you from debt
>30 years later and you try to ruin Europe again
>Declare a Jihad against European heritage
>USA about to put an end to your larping

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>The french flag is simply a rotated and a discolored version of the Dutch flag

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Combine like terms for an equivelant equation

well they fucking arent anymore ill tell you what.

Germany is only good at war if it espouses Prussian sociocultural philosophies or is led by prussia. Prussia itself was good at war for two reasons primarily:

1.) A unique noble caste that became entrenched in the military and civil society as time progressed. The Junkers unanimously either served in the military or were in positions of civil service (service to the state). The monarchs recognized that the power was not in natural resources (they had none) but in manpower and warfare. As such, the monarchs, until 1918, allowed the militarized aristocracy to be firmly entrenched in the state and largely dictate the path of the country because it was the militarized aristocracy that bled the most when Prussia was at war (in the Napoleonic wars, for example, something like 130 von Kleists fought and 30 died - all from one family). As such, the Prussian state was deeply indebted to the aristocracy who sacrificed their youths for the sake of the state. The aristocracy espoused discipline, studiousness, and duty and this spread to society at large and largely still exists in Germany today.

2.) No natural borders meant that wars in Europe occured on German land and with german civilians as collateral - prussia specifically. As such, the study of military affairs was paramount. Even before the napoleonic wars, von Buelow princes, for example, pioneered strategic thought. This was exemplified tenfold after prussias defeat at Jena when they recognized that, should prussia lose in this new era of combat, they would cease to exist). As such, the state, through the initiative of the militarized aristocracy, put immense resources in the study of strategy and tactics.

As you can see, the prowess of the Prussian state comes not from a natural aptitude of germans at large but of prussian noblemen who, for 800 years or so, were involved in continuous combat and internalized maxims that made them good at it

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In literally every single war that involved Prussia, the family names of the generals and the monarch was the same. They were good at war because they had tens of successive generation of families solely devoted to waging it at the helm of their country up until memelord hitler came to power and ousted them and their privilege.

Also, they were a bulwark of hardline reactionary conservatism and vehemently against giving jews rights. It was because of them that the monarch had functional absolutism and because of them that the german empire was able to experience the boons of post enlightenment without any of the cancerous, country crippling liberalism that france and the uk did

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did you miss history class?

what documents do people quote when they say germans are good at war? what are some examples of germans being good at war?
if they were truly good at war, these examples would be easy to find

battle of kursk for example
now look up the casualties the Soviets suffered

But I think it's pointless to argue with you, you seem like a brainless bootlicker

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Strong industrial heartlands, large manpower pool, being seperated for so long meant that efficiency was at 100% unlike in France or the UK were Paris and London respectively had come to dominate. That's pretty much it, of course a prussian militarist tradition that could utilise all these resources was an advantage, but it really is a small factor. Had German and French high command been switched for WW 2, Germany would still have won simply because their industrial output, manpower efficiency was much better than French.

Nope that's not it either

They need to pick better allies.

I mean they were probably the strongest country in WW1 and probs the 2nd or 1st in WW2. They just need to pick better allies.

Autism.

Expression I meant

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The Germans and soviets lost roughly on the same order of men at Kursk, though estimates vary because the Germans and soviet didn't have the best record keeping.

No, America was the largest economy by far in both wars.

>They just need to pick better allies.
The didn't have much pick from, though this might have been averted if Bismarck's reinsurance treaty kept being renewed.

large economy does not mean large war production tho as evident by modern day germany.

They lost all of the world wars, is there any war they have won?

the wars leading up to their unification of course, the fact that Germany exists in the first place is the consequence of many unification, liberation,expansion wars starting if you go all the way back to Prussia with the war of the Austrian succession and even earlier.

True, but this was before deindustrialization in the western world and many firms did shift from civilian production to military.
America was about one third of worlds Industrial output During world war one, and it still held a decent edge over other major powers during world war two.

Back then perfect mix of good sheep, a few good people telling the sheep what to do, strong men, a lot of pride and good material.
Pretty much non of this is left, apart from the sheep.

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economy doesnt equate to military strength
in ww1 we were unequipped.

yes but it takes some time to change from a civilian based economy to a war economy, time during which they were not militarily superior and in a war that can be fatal, if you are not an ocean removed with allies that have large militaries of their own that is.

1870 they won the franco prussian war

What? We are literally still the 4th biggest arms exporter in the world, mate.

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But the Romans did it to G*rms so it's fine.

yeah but the bundeswehr is still underfunded as fuck and generally in a bad shape

But that's intentional.

Because while doing their character they they put all of their skill points in warfare and forgot the diplomacy skill tree.

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evaluate the following integral, fag

∫e(x2−z2)(2xcos(2xz)−2zsin(2xz))dz

It really is not underfunded. It is more like They have more than enough money, but are just retarded/play retarded.

so... how did they fall out of grace anyway?

They lost world war 2, the German officer corps was very good on the tactical and operational level, but not so much with the strategic and the logistic. This is why Barbarossa was ultimately strategic failure.

uuuuh, hello? arithmetics department???

you guys are nowhere near what you used to be

>German officer corps
Had not much to do with them, Hitler just lost it at some point an told them what to do which was just stupid crap (which also explains many attempts to kill him by the army)

Pretty sure we were not above #4 back then.

>Hitler just lost it at some point an told them what to do which was just stupid crap
The whole "madman Hitler" narrative was largely a self serving myth told by the German Generals after ww2.

>lose the only two wars they've fought
Good at military industrial complex (formerly) and fighting perhaps, but terrible at grand strategy.
War is encompassing, not just the battles themselves.

Same thing with the US in Vietnam. US lost the war but in terms of numbers the US absolutely ass blasted the north Vietnamese. Ultimately you gotta be able to win the war

thanks fren

Well, they tried to kill the fucking Führer more than once.
Imagine Generals in the US hating Trump put bombs in his planes, in his beer cellar, his outposts...

At that point the war was already lost, and ignores that fact that most of officer corps were right with Hitler throughout the 1930s and for most of the war.

who is good at grand strategy ?

Putin?

>Yeah you almost took over the entire world, twice.
FFS I'm not exactly a Kraut lover but you need to educate yourself with something else than Hollywood.

Unironically yes
Russia's economy is smaller than Italy and California yet their military projection is enormous in comparison.

> smaller than Italy and California
This is only true for nominal GDP, not PPP

how many of the things that matter do the germans produce?
small arms dont matter
armored vehicles dont matter
manned aircraft dont matter
non rocket artillery, cannons dont matter

consistently, in every out of every modern war, we always see the same thing targeted
its not fuel depos, not bridges, not logistics, not signals/communication bunkers, not high command, not armored battalions, not infantry barracks, not airfields, not factories....
its anti air
they always target anti air first
every single conflict
this is why s400/patriot are always in the news, this is the shit that matters, whoever manages to defeat anti air he can just safely work all other targets later with missiles

stuff that matters is nuclear missiles, drones (that carry missiles) and submarines (that carry missiles and even hide from the satellites)
germany doesnt even make any of this shit

this is why north korea, which is probably economically super low because it doesnt even trade anything with anyone, it could still annihilate germany even with infinite gdp/growth/stock/jewish numbers index, because germany is forbidden from developing and of this shit that actually matters (subs, nukes, missiles)

and producing viruses. lmao

Mate, Afghans literally BTFO burgers with fucking AKs an RPGs.

you were the strongest power in ww1

this is true, though we are unable to win guerrila wars

You will always be a subhuman.

Yeah, even Mauser style guns are still the most produced and sold in the world not AKs or what ever.
Still we are way smaller in ways of people and economy than US, and China so not really surprising that they produce more stuff.