>I would blame this one actually on the writers not giving fucks, though. Can't blame them, because giving 100% for corporation vs 100% for indie works...
Fair enough, but if you're just gonna kill time and write usual Capeshit for the money, while keeping your ideas for the Indie scene, might as well make it fun.
>Batman has also noir aesthetics. Spider-Man lost me long time ago, I couldn't read Spider-Man nowadays without cringing
Eh, both lost time a long time ago. I have some nostalgia for Spider-Man since I used to be a big fan as a kid, but that's as far as it goes. At least he's got a cool costume and fun, campy villains. Not that I've read anything past Superior, but he's got that going for him. Batman's gimmick got tiring for me years ago. The refusal to kill borders on near villainy with how his villains have ramped up their bodycounts. The villains themselves are, like I've said, walking gimmicks who do the same thing over and over.
>oh no, the Jokah is killing people for whatever reason... again
>oh no, the Riddlah is leaving Riddles and trying to prove he's smarter than the Bat... again
>oh no, the Scarecrow is releasing his GAS... again
It stops being fun when Batman has become a supergenius in pwoer armor who can take down aliens while struggling with petty thiefs. Same could be said for Spider-Man, but like I said, at least those books don't pretend to be deep and his power levels remain mostly consistent. And I suppose I don't care for the Noir and Detective aspects. I like Gothic Aesthetics, but not Noir. And I'm more of a "Mad Scientist/Mastermind" and "Soldier/Merc/General/Bad-Ass" type. Batman just comes off as a cringy pussy to me.
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>Fair enough, but if you're just gonna kill time and write usual Capeshit for the money, while keeping your ideas for the Indie scene, might as well make it fun.
True dat. Also, it's not like stuff created for the capeshit would be usable for indie. Magneto might have been created by Lee / Kirby, but it was Claremont, Byrne that made him who he is today. Capeshit is a collaborative effort.
Notice that people love to take the credit that something was created by them, but they omit the fact that the character was developed by someone else.
Wolverine - the origin of Wolverine goes back to Roy Thomas idea for a character, with Len Wein developing this idea, with Cockrum redesigning his costume and his face off-mask, with Claremont / Miller mini-series giving Wolverine hype, and Lary Hama handling his first solo series for a very long time. Whom would you credit the success of the Wolverine? Certainly not to Wein, despite being his official creator.
You will probably get angry at me, but Batman works when you ignore the continuity. Batman is probably the only (almost) pure Pulp character that is still popular today (unfortunately). To make Batman work, you have to care about the story, not necessarily the relationship between the characters, outside of the basic basics. That's why for example, instead of reading Detective Comics / Batman series, I'd rather read some graphic novel, or something extra, out-of-continuity. Spider-Man, I don't know, he's okay, I don't want to sound negative, but I don't feel like caring about him anymore.