Post cool and underrated X-Men villains and why you like them. I really like Omega Red and felt like he could have been a better villain if they gave him the opportunity to instead of playing him off as a cheap imitation of Doctor Octopus.
Villains
Ayden Martinez
Julian Rivera
Most X-Villains have potential.
Eli Sanders
Liked his designa lot as a kid, can't say i've ever actually read a story where he actually did anything. Hasn't he been dead for a decade or more now and replaced by his 3 siblings or something along those lines?
Does he have any good stories out there?
Bentley Roberts
Who wins?
William Carter
Omega Red just because of his costume from the get go, I don’t even remember what his costume was supposed to be.
William Foster
I don't know shit about who is under/overrated, but Juggernaut is my favorite. He's the perfect foil for Charles, like for all of the good he does he just can't do jack shit about Cain. And Cain's often shown himself to be a shitty Juggernaut because he's not the worst of guys. It isn't hard to get him to stand down. He can be downright reliable. Plus his design is fucking solid.
Brody Cook
I liked Mekano for his design
Julian Morales
To me, X-Men’s villains have always been much better than their heroes.
>Juggernaut
>Sentinels
>Shadow King
>Apocalypse
>Magneto
>Mr. Sinister
>The Brood
>Nimrod
>Lucifer (fuck you I liked him)
>The Blob
They’re a lot cooler to me than the actual heroes.
Luis Miller
preach!
Kayden Edwards
Silver age X-Men villains are underrated and overlooked
Anthony Collins
The second x-men villain ever
Anthony Nguyen
The Stranger had a lot of untapped potential
Adrian Roberts
I like X-Villains a whole lot (I honestly think they're pretty underrated considering everyone wanks the BatFreaks to Hell and back), but never have done so more than the actual X-Men. Even at the times where I downright hate the Muties, I can't really bring myself to hate the individual characters. Cyclops, Jean, Cable, Rogue, Gambit, Beast, Archangel, Psylocke, Fantomex, and so on and so forth, are just Top Tier in my book, off the costumes and basic personality traits alone. Not that I don't like Psycho Mystique, Gothic Sinister, Celestial Apocalypse and whatnot, just not more than the actual X-Men/X-Force/X-Factor/Etc. Well, maybe Sinister; he's basically X-Doom and I love Doom, plus, Gothic Mad Science is my jam.
Joseph Cooper
Locust could work with redesign
Jose Wilson
I noticed that people have much bigger x-pectations from the x-men villains than let's say, spider-man villains, even if x-men villains have much deeper motivations and reasons to be villains
Cooper Powell
While El Tigre is dead canonically, Kukulcan was a neat concept, and I don't remember if Marvel ever did much with mayan mythologies
Austin Sullivan
Maha Yogi, was only briefly an X-Men villain, and he debuted as Thor's foe. He also fought Hulk and Captain Marvel. But most of his appearances are as an x-men foe
Matthew Roberts
Cobalt Man debuted in x-men, and he actually is enemy to Iron Man (whom he ironically never met). He later became sort of Hulk foe, albeit he did fight some X-Men characters, like Deadpool
Chase Nelson
Grotesk had interesting mythos on his own
Jonathan Moore
Demi-Men were nice henchmen
Jayden Jenkins
Jack O'Diamonds, surprised he never returned, not even know, during Krakoa shenanigans. But then again, whatever happened to Zaladane?
Tyler Sanders
I suppose because they bought the meme that the X-Men are nothing more than political mouthpieces, so everything must be related to nigger/faggot/whatever allegories. Bitch, the X-Men became household names with crazy Sci-Fi shit, and that's what I love. The Brood, the Celestial/Apocalypse/Sinister Trinity, the Phoenix, the Shi'ar, that's what's interesting. I could hardly care about a poorly thought out allegory... Anyway, they think all their enemies must be some strawman relaed to the current version of [white man bad] so whatever villain doesn't fit that mold, is disregarded. Which is why people like Exodus, the Acolytes and the like rarely show up. When was the last time Sugar Man was a thing ? Did those Hyper-Evolved Monkeys ever show up again ? It's just infighting between the same 20 Muties depending on what political idea the writer wants to push. At this point I'd take Vampires being revealed as some kind of subgroup of Muties, and Selene and Dracula teaming up or something. It'd be a fun, Gothic, classic story.
Spider-Man and Batman don't have that problem as they're seen as primarily just classic capes/pulp, and thus villains are judged merely on their costumes, gimmicks and how entertaining they are. BatFags like to pretend that all the BatVillains are some "reflection of Batman" when in reality most are one-note gimmicks who show up on rotation to do the same thing over and over again. Not that the majority of capes don't have that problem, but they're not wanked as hard as the Bat. Spider-Man doesn't even pretend to be deep, just relatable, so as long as his villains look cool and Parker is in-character, people don't mind, because that's what they want from Spider-Man.
Samuel Adams
Before Brood, X-Men dealt with similar threat, namely Z'Nox. The alien species element seems to be ingrained in X-Men mythos more than social stuff
Blake Stewart
>When was the last time Sugar Man was a thing ? Did those Hyper-Evolved Monkeys ever show up again ? It's just infighting between the same 20 Muties depending on what political idea the writer wants to push
I would blame this one actually on the writers not giving fucks, though. Can't blame them, because giving 100% for corporation vs 100% for indie works...
Batman has also noir aesthetics. Spider-Man lost me long time ago, I couldn't read Spider-Man nowadays without cringing
Colton Foster
Nobody knows. That's why he's a Stranger. Initially he was interested in mutants, later, he became a villain of the month type of thing for random marvel characters
Justin Watson
Sugar Man.
Jack Thomas
Conquistador, Beast's foe.
Blake Bailey
Grayson Williams
Griffin, Beast's second foe. Nowadays he is Spider-Man villain, because apparently, Spider-Man doesn't have enough villains in his villain gallery
Elijah Fisher
While he debuted as a Thor character, and nowadays is more of an Avengers villain, I consider this fucker a major X-Men villain, due to his influence
Cameron Morales
>I would blame this one actually on the writers not giving fucks, though. Can't blame them, because giving 100% for corporation vs 100% for indie works...
Fair enough, but if you're just gonna kill time and write usual Capeshit for the money, while keeping your ideas for the Indie scene, might as well make it fun.
>Batman has also noir aesthetics. Spider-Man lost me long time ago, I couldn't read Spider-Man nowadays without cringing
Eh, both lost time a long time ago. I have some nostalgia for Spider-Man since I used to be a big fan as a kid, but that's as far as it goes. At least he's got a cool costume and fun, campy villains. Not that I've read anything past Superior, but he's got that going for him. Batman's gimmick got tiring for me years ago. The refusal to kill borders on near villainy with how his villains have ramped up their bodycounts. The villains themselves are, like I've said, walking gimmicks who do the same thing over and over.
>oh no, the Jokah is killing people for whatever reason... again
>oh no, the Riddlah is leaving Riddles and trying to prove he's smarter than the Bat... again
>oh no, the Scarecrow is releasing his GAS... again
It stops being fun when Batman has become a supergenius in pwoer armor who can take down aliens while struggling with petty thiefs. Same could be said for Spider-Man, but like I said, at least those books don't pretend to be deep and his power levels remain mostly consistent. And I suppose I don't care for the Noir and Detective aspects. I like Gothic Aesthetics, but not Noir. And I'm more of a "Mad Scientist/Mastermind" and "Soldier/Merc/General/Bad-Ass" type. Batman just comes off as a cringy pussy to me.
Nolan Edwards
>Fair enough, but if you're just gonna kill time and write usual Capeshit for the money, while keeping your ideas for the Indie scene, might as well make it fun.
True dat. Also, it's not like stuff created for the capeshit would be usable for indie. Magneto might have been created by Lee / Kirby, but it was Claremont, Byrne that made him who he is today. Capeshit is a collaborative effort.
Notice that people love to take the credit that something was created by them, but they omit the fact that the character was developed by someone else.
Wolverine - the origin of Wolverine goes back to Roy Thomas idea for a character, with Len Wein developing this idea, with Cockrum redesigning his costume and his face off-mask, with Claremont / Miller mini-series giving Wolverine hype, and Lary Hama handling his first solo series for a very long time. Whom would you credit the success of the Wolverine? Certainly not to Wein, despite being his official creator.
Easton Lewis
You will probably get angry at me, but Batman works when you ignore the continuity. Batman is probably the only (almost) pure Pulp character that is still popular today (unfortunately). To make Batman work, you have to care about the story, not necessarily the relationship between the characters, outside of the basic basics. That's why for example, instead of reading Detective Comics / Batman series, I'd rather read some graphic novel, or something extra, out-of-continuity. Spider-Man, I don't know, he's okay, I don't want to sound negative, but I don't feel like caring about him anymore.