>Spider-man, a borderline street-leveler
This is someone who matched up against an entire roomful of core X-Men.
And Heralds are almost as big of Jobbers as the likes of The Spectre and the other DC Cosmics.
Why is Joker so good at fighting...
Lucas Watson
Ryan Bailey
Spider-Man may not be cosmic level but he's incredibly strong and his agility has allowed him to even stagger Thor one time. Peter just holds back 90% of the time so he doesn't kill his rogues.
Grayson Anderson
>Spider-man is Charlie Sheen confirmed
Also, figures Yas Forums would try to justify plot armor.
Logan Perez
>X-Men: The reaction time of a normal ass human.
>Heralds: Able to travel and react at faster than light speed.
Yeah it sure adds up.
Samuel Nelson
On paper, the Heralds are supposed to be nigh-invincible powerhouses that can take on entire intergalactic fleets and guys the Kree without breaking a sweat.
In practice pretty much any popular hero or minor team can overcome one.
Benjamin Hughes
The Flash is faster than God, yet he's traditionally struggled with normal ass humans with gadgets.
Dominic King
Nah. Even Golden Age Joker somehow could fight on par with Batman. It was only in the late Golden Age/Silver Age when the focus was more on humor that he became incompetent in hand to hand fighting.
Kevin Bailey
I like this explanation. I had an idea of Kite man getting his ass kicked so many times that became a master of aerial combat.
Sebastian Peterson
He is too powerful, hence the need to power him down. Still stupid.
But how does that apply to Batman? He should never struggle against the likes of Joker.
Dominic Young
Have you heard of Chaos style fighting? Its essentially acting without rationality or limiters to self or others. Depending on the level of insanity and lack of moral and rationalism will show mastery of the fighting art. Those who fully give of themselves and become puppets of the Chaos Flow can do anything because there are no rules to the fight, so they can decide to break five of their fingers, fart, and then throw 3 1/2 half eaten banana hiding nitro vials.
Joker is not an avatar of Chaos because he has some rules, it at least has to be funny, however most often times its found to be hilarious the way things turn out so it usually works out in the end.
You see, Joker retains some Identity, which is why he cannot beat the Batman, who despite having an "Identity" of the Batman, has given up his Identity for the sake of Justice and Virtue. Joker thinks he has done like, given up his Identity to embrace Chaos, but he has not, he retains to his Identity as a Clown and cannot embody Chaos.
In all reality, its quite funny, another polar piece of Joker and Batman.