Since I’m in quarantine with nothing better to do what does Yas Forums think of this argument
Essentially the idea is that geek girls/female fandom creates content and therefore alters the content which in turn gets them called fake geek girls while male fandom seeks to persevere the content
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>Only women draw fanart, cosplay, write fanfic
Lmao
Nerd culture needs to be destroyed either way
>male fans curative
>female fans transformative
This isn't new, or news.
For a tumblr post it’s not as bashing of white men as it could be, I’m impressed.
But the issue with this is that ‘fake geek girls’ is such a broad term that it gets applied in different ways. I’ve always seen it used as representing a surface level normie girl that only shallowly gets into nerd stuff for attention and aren’t ‘creative’ or contribute at all. Here these people assume that literally all women are considered fake nerds by men, as of typical assumptions by tumblr would go. So I think this argument is flawed to a degree.
Does this explain slash fics?
>dumb bitches going "no u" and trying to tell men why they're always wrong and everything was created for women and patting each others back
Hm. Nah.
What gender analyzes the source material and make speculative fanfiction that's respectful to the source material?
Wife is into "geek stuff". I'm not (mostly). She plays a few games, watches every sci-fi or fantasy TV shows, and has read probably thousands of comic books in particular. Also loves to go to conventions and cosplay. Her interest is probably what would be considered "superficial" on most of the internet, but she's WAY more into that stuff than most other people with a "superficial" interest, just not in any kind of deep way or with any concern for the related "culture" (like she wouldn't be caught dead on a site like Yas Forums). She's also what you fags would call a "normie" in that she uses a lot of social media, looks normal, and most has a normal life.
That all out of the way, here's basically her take on "fake geek girls". She's acknowledged that the concept exists and has called out people she saw on the internet and especially twitch doing that shit, but at the same time I don't think she gives a shit. And that right there I think is the difference between a normal person and you fags. You are literally OBSESSED with this faggotry. You're either obsessed with complaining about it or obsessed with defending "muh lady". It's really that simple. Stop wasting your time with this faggotry. Stop giving "fake geeks" attention and stop being whiteknight faggots and defending them. No matter which "side" you take you are still a faggot.
>For a tumblr post it’s not as bashing of white men as it could be
Literally the entire post is ONLY that.
>You are literally OBSESSED with this faggotry. You're either obsessed with complaining about it or obsessed with defending "muh lady". It's really that simple.
You hit the nail on the head, at least for me. I legit have autism. Not sure about the rest of fandom. Do they have neurological/mental problems as well? I don't know.
Why would you want to labeled as a nerd/geek anyway?besides a roasty trying to get really easy money
Only worth while nerds are the ones that make good content
I really don't give a shit about nerds having gender wars but I know nobody writes better porn than thirsty teen girls.
> attacked and rebuilt
> "creators"
The doublespeak is thicc in this one.
War is peace, freedom is subservience
Bitter shitty male fans were the most offended by JK Rowling saying Hermione can be portrayed black and that Dumbledore is gay, first they whine and bitch how you have to respect the canon because what's the creator intended, then when a creator does whatever she wants with HER PROPERTY AND HER WORK they scream NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT HOW DARE YOU REEEEEEE. All male fans should be killed.
I think there are several concepts being mixed together:
>fake geek girl aka someone who only superficially gives a shit about geek stuff just to have to write something in her social profile bio
>fake geek girl aka consoomer who consooms popculture and popculture accesories
>geek girl who considers herself a contributor to the fandom due to the fanart and gay smut she produces (for free)
I assume someone saw some dirty male complaining about one of these and conflated all three issues so the complaint feels more broad than originally was, them also made a ridiculous claim that males are gatekeepers because they spend money and care about the canon.
tl;dr men bad
>males
>care about the canon
Exactly, it's usually much worse!
Counterpoint: females can’t create their own quality original shit, so all they can do is take the shit that males created and fuck with it until it bends to their will and desires.
Imagine a woman making something not based on sailor moon to any degree.
Dumbledore is gay. That's canon. Guess who still refuses to accept that, hint: it's not female fans.
The whole argument is flawed. It reads like a woman who only consumes fan work she likes and happens to be made by women/people she assumes are women railing against the Eltingville Club. Plenty of male fans make transformative work, but the kind of material they put out don't always appeal to the tastes/interests of female fans and so fly under their radars. She's painting a large subset of fans as an obsessive vocal minority that's easy to target.
>hint: it's not female fans
Of course not. It fits perfectly with their Dumbledore/Snape shipping.
Fullmetal Alchemist, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, anything by Rumiko Takahashi, X and anything by Clamp?
And it's canon. Which means males actually don't give a shit about canon when it destroys their shitty prejudices.
>shitty prejudices
Why is it shitty just because YOU disagree with it?
Grow the fuck up.
Should probably have specified WESTERN women.
We all know that unlike them, Japanese women are incredibly creative and original.
It's "slavery"
I still get white Hitler-worshipping males trying to tell me Tolkien's Dwarves have nothing to do with Jews when Tolkien himself said Khuzdul is deliberately constructed to be Semitic and sound like Hebrew and Dwarves are meant to remind you of Jews.
Feeling called out eh?
Dumbledore is gay. That is the canon. Accept it.
To be fair isn't Hermione described as white in the books? Rowling is notorious for changing shit after the fact for relevance or brownie points.
>Tolkien's Dwarves have nothing to do with Jews
Hard-working, traditional, strong, reliable, loyal and masterful craftsmen and artists. Who's infamous lust for gold comes directly from the cursed rings given to them by Sauron?
So he was complimenting Jews, is what you're saying? Or do does that conflict with your goal of trying to make him sound anti-Semitic?
You gonna pretend women like JK Rowling or Ursula Le Guin don't exist?
What's to accept? That's just how it's written.
It's still weird and gross as fuck, of course.
The difference being that Tolkien had a hard-on for "that gifted people"
>90% of stuff is created by women
lol no, fuck off
Also, your shitty fanart about a character saying "X RIGHTS" is not fucking content, it's shit and should be treated as such.
I think you missed the memo chief, J.K. Rowling is neither creative or original now that she's been cancelled for being a transexual-hating TERF. You can't defend her or say anything nice about her unless you're a certified bigot.
I have no such goal, and yes Tolkien liked and admired Jews. He hated Hitler, nazism and anti-semitism.
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>The dwarves of course are quite obviously, couldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic obviously, constructed to be Semitic. Hobbits are just rustic English people, made small in size because it reflects (in general) the small reach of their imagination - not the small reach of their courage or latent power.
Neonazi Tolkien "fans" who think LotR is about the muh epic white man chimp out at this.
>Guess who still refuses to accept that, hint: it's not female fans.
Nice confirmation bias you got there, maybe get out of your bubble for a change?
Anything JayKay Rowling related,Guess who does give any fucks whatsoever about what is and what isn't canon with any of that gay shit ,hint:it's not straight white men.
The issue is that it kind of misses the mark. I never liked the term "fake geek girl" because a more appropriate term was already available. Poser. The trend of women being into "nerdy" stuff was just like any other hot thing where people who wouldn't normally be into a thing profess a love for it as a way of attaining some social credit. It isn't just a female thing but with "geek culture" being primarily dude focused I can see why the term made the rounds.
The issue isn't of creativity or curation. Look at Jaime Reyes. A new, young, unconnected Latino dude as the new Blue Beetle...who is largely loved by fans. The reason is that the character blazes a new trail WHILE ALSO caring for what came before. A big part of fandom is caring about the history. It can be new and amazing or spectacular or whatever, but the cardinal sin is throwing away the past. A lot of newcomers tend to pick up the new stuff while ignoring the old, especially considering how long most of the nerdy cornerstones have been going. At this time a lot of newcomers also happen to be women. It just kind of works out that way so it appears to be a sex thing.
Personally I don't care about fan art projects and shit because that stupid stuff has always existed and has always been largely irrelevant to my enjoyment. With the prevalence of "geek culture" in the mainstream more people are showing an earnest interest and that's generally a good thing.
I always assumed Dumbledore was gay, what with the way his brother talked about him/Grindelwald. Not sure why that would be particularly triggering for people. The black thing is dumb because she was established as white. It'd be like making Cho Chang Sudanese. You can do it, I just fail to see the point.
Porn doesn't count as a barometer for anything. Men and women alike just want characters to dick down or what have you regardless of canon.
You and what you like are weird and gross as fuck, user, that's why female fans rebel against you.
Women like Rowling, Le Guin and Cherryh are only writing original fantasy books because they've internalized the misogyny.
Male fans knew Rowling was full of shit thanks to actually reading the damn books and knowing that Hermione was described as being white at one point. Fuck off, roastie.
>Essentially the idea is that geek girls/female fandom creates content and therefore alters the content which in turn gets them called fake geek girls while male fandom seeks to persevere the content
Almost all the fanartists I keep in touch with are male, these are just the ramblings of a very sheltered community doing its own gatekeeping. Every gender has casuals, the male fake geeks just don't have anyone whiteknighting for them so they learn to fuck off.
>you
I'm not your enemy, retard. But I guess you have to screech at SOMEONE to get attention.
Straight white virgin men are the ones who complain the most about Rowling doing whatever she wants with her canon.
That reminds me of that anime where a female character was revealed not to be a virgin and all the make fans chimped out, to the point they sent death threats to the creator. What anime was that?
>t-that doesn't count
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHApathetic,apply yourself
Are you saying creators can't work and shape their property as they please?
Complaining implies some attachment to the canon. Most HP fans are tumblrtards. Laughing at JK retconning her entire universe to be transracial lesbians is not complaining.
>waah waah straight white men white men straight white men so evil wah wah
J.K. Rowling has not been relevant in close to a decade, nobody fucking cares about her except for trannies that don't like that she keeps saying that only biologically born women are real women.
Move on with your petty, empty man-hating life.
>the reason Dumbledore didn't stop the Holocaust is that he was taking it up the ass from Wizard Hitler
I do find the implications somewhat disturbing, so I guess you're right.
I disagree on the gender divide issue most of all.
The primary reason 'fake geek girls' are so loathsome to the average fans is because comics and games and the like have until very recently been outcast hobbies. These were the subjects that nerds and geeks could rally around and validate ourselves; the cheerleaders and the jocks can have their pop music and football , we have Spiderman and Batman.
Now with nerd-culture in the spotlight all the normal people who bullied the nerds when we were all kids are trying to connect with us and it feels like an invasion of one of our sacred spots, they didn't want anything to do with comic books before so fuck you for trying to act like you have a right to it now.
Fanfiction is a very prideful act, to assert that your headcanon is superior to published Canon. Fans appreciate Canon for what it is, fake fans pollute and corrupt Canon with their bullshit ideas.
Anyone who wants their shit to override the real shit is only in it for recognition, they have no love for the source material it's just a vehicle for them to generate popularity points of whatever variety.
creators have their holy right to retroactively change stuff about canon and show themselves as inconsistent morons like JJ Abrams
>I-i-it's not c-c-complaining w-when I do it
Wow, male fans are truly the most pathetic.
Once it's put out there already? Yeah, authors should back off when it's published, if they wanted something to be part of the story they had every chance to put it in there. Stop falling for authors who try to score woke credit with bodies of literature that don't support it.
No, you are the most pathetic for writing that.
>create content
Let me stop you there. "Creating content" here means "inserting my horrible fetishes into someone else's work." That is 99% of the media produced by these women. Not saying the same isn't applicable to male fans, but the argument here is about females so that's where the focus ought to be.
Fan fiction is not a creative endeavor. Fan art is only barely passable, and then only for pornographic value. What you see in these communities, mostly, are adverb-slinging high schoolers who consider yaoi animes high art and who've all but excommunicated any critical or constructive figures from their personal and online spheres. It's not that they're awful artists, that's a given, it's that they truly believe they are adding value to someone else's life, and how dare you suggest otherwise.
It's the typical messianic bullshit you find in high school mindsets, which becomes even more depressing when you discover a lot of these people are in their late 20s to mid 30s.
It's not. No, really, that's not what complaining means. To complain is to seek redress. I complain because I want something fixed.
I don't give a shit about Harry Potter, I just think it's funny that Dumbledore was addicted to Wizard Hitler's cock, and that so much was done to make that canon.
I mean it doesn't represent any outside trends aside from the universal appeal of boning. That'd be like attempting to determine racial acceptance from the amount of people that engage with BBC porn or fat acceptance from the amount of people who read NTR/rape manga. People like what they're into, but outside of that it's a poor indicator of anything more substantive. I'm not even sure what you're getting at here.
I feel like that's a sad oversimplification. People are protective of what they like regardless of the social dynamics at play. The jock/nerd thing isn't even always relevant. My valedictorian was also the head QB and a member of our chess club. Some places just don't have that wonky ass stratification. As for headcanon, that's always been a thing too. Look back at the 'zines of the 80's. Even there people were pulling the same stuff they are now. It's just old guard/newcomer friction.
>Let me stop you there. "Creating content" here means "inserting my horrible fetishes into someone else's work." That is 99% of the media produced by these women.
user I see a lot of autistic adult men who draw fetishes of cartoon characters with crayons and/or MS Paint
Word of God rates as a high level of canon, but its not actually in the content and is therefore less canon than what’s in the actual books, which shows dumbledore as nothing. Considering JKs abuse of word of god, its lends to outright dismissal of such a claim.
>The next fucking sentence.
>"Not saying the same isn't applicable to male fans, but the argument here is about females so that's where the focus ought to be."
Ask me how I know you're American.
That's not how intellectual property works, dumb-dumb. The story as an idea and all its details are expressed by the author through whatever media the author prefers.
Another example of male fans being disgusting hypocrites. The Witcher author LOVES Netflix's adaptation of his books and stated the Netflix adaptation is canon.
Guess who now HATES the Witcher canon and calls for it to be disregarded completely.
And yet none of them demand it be made canon until someone buckles and makes it so (god alone knows why women keep getting their way with that kind of shit) or get a job with cartoon network and forcibly makes it so.
Why do you think Steven Universe and Star Vs. are both such horrible clusterfucks of bad ideas? Women who should have stuck to fanfiction instead of forcing that shit on other people.
How about CWC (unless you consider CWC a woman)?
>m-muh cultural appropriation