What's the better Transformers origin to you, Quints or Primus

>I think this is implied with the 13 orginal primes or whatever.
Reminder that the personalities, history, members, and even existence of the 13 Primes varies between continuities.

They were going to This is how both Dreamwave and Aligned did it

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>What's the better Transformers origin to you, Quints or Primus
There is a third way.

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So IDW but with even less Primus

>tfw I once drew up plans for a Transformers cartoon and I came up with an origin story that managed to combine Primus, the Quintessons, AND the Allspark

The origin doesn't matter at all.

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>AND the Allspark
The Allspark is just Primus user.
it's his Spark that's all it is

THEY WERE A MICROMASTER (sex?) DUNGEON THIS ENTIRE TIME?!

god who knows when all that will be released proper.

If you want to go there even in the bayverse the morality is grey, even optimus went full edgelord for half a movie once.

What’s everyone’s opinion on Beast Wars and Beast Machines? They played around with Cybertron lore a lot, and unfortunately that’s all I know. I’d really like to read some opinions from those with real Transformers lore knowledge.

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>real Transformers lore knowledge.
Well the first thing that you should know is that most Transformers lore at the time came from the Marvel comics and then Beast Wars expanded on it.
Beast Machines took a big shit on Beast Wars, the best show in the entire franchise, which it was meant to be a sequel to and even went so far as to tell it's staff not to watch it.
So the results where what could be expected also
>Didio

Beast Wars basically invented EVERYTHING about Sparks. Beast Machines went even further with the mythos, and invented the Allspark but in its original incarnation as the Transformers afterlife. However, BM contributions are vastly overstimated since most of the series is very controversial.

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I prefer Primus, but i wouldn't mind the Quints coming in to muck up things. Could be a way of explaining the gap of information between the Original 13 and pre-war Cybertron timeframes.

That's what Dreamwave planned on doing/did in the More Than Meets The Eye databooks. I think Aligned also did that

My thoughts are that Beast Wars was a happy accident, they took a major risk with the brand because they had to, it could have easily went very wrong but it ended up working out very right mainly just because of the show and the fact that the guys doing it were open to the fandom and seemed to have fun with it helped

Beast Machines, was a poorly planned attempt to continue to shake things up like BW did because Hasbro was scared of stagnation and letting people get sick of things like they had by G2, and it was a disaster and a shitstain on G1 in my opinion. It has it's fans but I'll never be one. I hated everything about everything it did, the whole organic Cybertron thing to me is just so stupid and Ferngully.

Dan Didio's grand masterpiece.

Funny though, the Japanese series did make Japanese fans sick of the Beast Wars. So what happened is that both Japan and America went to the extremes of both courses of action.

Man i watched BW2 last year and it was alright until the whole jr thing started. Until that point it was a decent spinoff with comedy and action, i even loved the latino robots.

It was shit, BW already did the "connect with your inner animal" thing without shitting the bed. Awful series.

Primus

BW II is fine even with Lio Junior. The issue is Neo, it has the best Convoy but they just couldn't make the plot or main characters exciting.

Hope we get more Quints that are like Eldritch abominations. Maybe bring back that japanese Triffid "beast"-former, or the Jellyfish.
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Also give Botanica a figure. She can be a triple changer from spacecraft, to plant monster, to sexy flower girl~

Something like this: If I have to decide then the Quints simply because it feels more logical to me and explains a bunch of things about the robots and ther origin. Primus is just magic and I can't stand it, though I do like the idea of Primus or even some ascended or higher being in the universe by itself, I just don't want him to create the bots in a way that sounds too magical to me.

sucks

Botanica and Strika were the best things to come from Beast Machines and they deserve toys.
Obsidian looks too much like a Muppet and I hate him. Jetstorm and Thrust are alright I guess. Tankor has a toy already.

It didn't air here when it was new and watching that stuff now is impossible for me. The graphic is worse than shit and I hate monkeys and all that stuff. I don't care if people like or dislike it but one of the main reasons for why I am into Transformers in the first place is them being robots that somewhat look like robots or at least cool metal humans and them transforming into cool shit like tanks or B2s.

Metaphysical god origins seem like they don't belong in a giant robot series. I see nothing wrong with the Cybertronians being random robots that went skynet and took over their world.

And I liked how the G1 series dealt with lots of other aliens out in space. Transformers are spread out everywhere because some were built elseqhere, and others were jut cybertronians that left during the wars. Quintessons make for a fun third faction in the whole scheme of things.

I don't like mystical magical stuff in a scifi with space and robots. So Quints. And I do like how they are really alien, not just another humanoid.

Primus stuff only really seems to make the bots into something really super special and important. Not just robots from another world having their own problems.

I genuinely like both.
It's hard for me to pick. Both the Sunbow cartoon and Marvel comics origins were interesting ideas on totally different ends of the spectrum.
However I don't really like Unicorn just being Primacron's intermediate science project, Primacron not seeming to be anyone particularly special. Call of the Primitives was an above average episode in a vacuum, but it's implications towards Transformers lore is very strange, and pretty much sucks the last bit of mysticism out of the cartoon's universe.

It's irrational, it's biased, it's purely nostalgia... but I always preferred the Quintesson origin. It felt more appropriately "sci-fi", instead of having Unicron come out and decide to back-engineer a cliche "Robo-God and Robo-Satan" origin for the Transformers race.

I really liked Beast Wars, and I thougt it was a great sequel to Gen 1. Beast Machines had a lot of potential that was sadly squandered by incredibly stupid decisions from on-high.

Funny thing about Beast Wars, doesn't it reference both lore from the Sunbow cartoon AND Marvel comics?

No, JG1 just ignores US Season 4 (The Rebirth). But Primus was retconned in a long while after the G1 cartoon and got a lot of continuity patches over the years.

...You do remember that magic was an actual thing in Gen 1, to the point they once went up against a Quintesson exiled for abandoning science in favor of sorcery, right, user?

Strika had a toy, it just sucked. Honestly a rarity for BM Vehicons which were mostly pretty cool figures. Her and Blastcharge are easily the shittiest.

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I liked the Primus origin. Plus iirc one of the original 13 was a Quintison.

Unicron and Primus being big powerful primeval robots, Unicron choosing to focus on his own power while Primus chooses to create a civilization of robots to wield his power... I really like all that. I just don't like how that lore often makes them off to be more god than machine and tries to imply they are forces that predate the universe itself.

She should have bigger arms, and the colors are absolutely wrong, but it looks pretty good to me otherwise.

>Metaphysical god origins seem like they don't belong in a giant robot series.

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Separate continuities talk about how both were either kicked out their original dimension for fighting too much, born when the universe was created, born from the being that created the universe or built by forerunners.

I think Primus is the better option since making the the Autobots and Decepticons different races built for specific purposes cheapens the whole ideological side to their conflict as well as the idea of their society forming on its own. Primus generally acts as a much better source of origin since he ties together a lot of individual elements, like the allspark, the matrix, natural energon and Unicron.
That's not to say Quintessons shouldn't appear more often though. I liked the idea that the Alligned continuity teased of them as a race of squid people who got cybernetic upgrades from one of the original primes before betraying them for their own ends. But we didn't get to see anything of them after that, which is a shame. The Transformers having to strike an alliance with them or go into conflict with them would make a great story.

Nani?

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BUT what if the quintessons created primus and unicron

I wonder what the new comics are going for. So far there are zero hints for Primus being a thing and they have a bunch of different religions and factions, implying that the truth isn't as commonly known as in other continuities and the whole mystery around the war and threefold spark imply some highly advanced alien stuff or eldrichts which I would all prefer way over some God/Satan thing. Aliens in general play a way bigger role than in other continuities so I hope it will go down the sci-fi route.

That'd be dumb as the show's Primacron story.

Finding a compromise between the two origins is more complicated than that, because that means Primus (created by the Quintessons) still chose to create the Transformers... but then arbitrarily chose to segregate his children into naturally opposing factions.

how do you figure?

what if it's like Animated(?) where the bots were the working class and the cons the military class who decide to stage a coup

I'm just spitballing here I've given this absolutely sero thought until now,

They were originally parts of pantheons of light and darkness. The One Above All/The Presence/Omnicron tasked the Pantheon of light with defeating the pantheon of darkness. All the others in the Pantheon win their fights and ascend but Primus can't so he materializes in the physical world and gets both himself and Unicron trapped in empty planets forever.

Animated does bring forward some unfortunate implications so let's not go with that either.

>Animated does bring forward some unfortunate implications
mind elaborating? I havent even thought about transformers in so long

>Main appeal of Primus is that he allows/makes it so Transformers have souls and we aren't just watching the adventures of SoulessMachine.exe
>Main appeal of Unicron is big primordial evil
>Appeal of the Quitessons origin is gritty sci-fi Robots rebelling on a factory planet
It's dumb to have the "gritty" version of the origin end up creating the deity version especially since it leaves the question of what created the Quintessons and if you go another way with it.
If Primus isn't a deity what is he? This is why IDW Primus was stupid

I feel like the Quints are still on a mortal level, and I wouldn't want another mortal(s) creating a god like being scenario.

they were both based and Beast Machines has my favorite ending of any transformers show

fair enough I have never read a transformers comic so I have no idea what goes on there
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>I wouldn't want another mortal(s) creating a god likebeing scenario
is this reoccurring in transformers or do you just mean in general?

There's no Quintessons but Autobots and Decepticons are deliberately separate races. The Autobots used the Allspark to give life to war machines (that were discarded once the war ended) and exiled the Decepticons out of Cybertron. Both Autobots and Decepticons hate organics and have colonized alien worlds.
Simply put, this is Transformers but both sides are assholes and racist.