Thanks for adding to the debate user
Why Frank Miller's Batman is considered fascist?
>vigilante groups enforcing their sense of morality using strength, regardless of how justified it was
That's not what fascism is. It's an authoritarian ideology advocating government control of all aspects of society but, unlike communism, nominally allowing private ownership.
Batman is one man in one city of all of America who has no government of his own and does nothing to interfere with the existing government or it's laws besides beating up lawbreakers by the set governments own definition.
He's not forcing his will or guys was onto everyone he's just adding as an illegal supplement to the already existing legal system.
If Batman declared himself mayor of Gotham and made his batpunk gang his gestapo maybe you'd have a point.
>nominally allowing private ownership
To a degree. The facisist realize the efficiency of private initiative however the State still reigns supreme as it still reserve all rights and private "ownership" is considered a previlige not a right.
I agree but to add to this in TDKR Batman even admits that he is a criminal as pointed out by
There is nothing facisist about Batman's actions in TDKR authoritative, maybe but facisist, No.
That's just wrong. Also there's no Fascism in
TDKR. I believe Moore used the term more broadly, not in the historical sense.
>I believe Moore used the term more broadly, not in the historical sense.
I thin he used it in the meaningless "foo on you!" hippie sense.
That's kinda the problem with devaluing words especially powerful and meaningful ones like facism.
A feature, not a bug; leftists don't want to admit fascism is a variant of socialism reacting to the problems of communist rule in the soviet union.
I have also notice that most people even some that consider themselves right wingers or even centrists have a problem with the fact that facism is on the left wing. I have even seen some go as far as to say that it is a third option neither left not right.
Facism to anyone with the necessary political and historical education is obviously on the left. I must admit there have been a major and concistent attempt to to convince people that facism is on the right.
Facism being right wing is perhaps the most successful propaganda of all time up there with the great switch of the 60's