Why Frank Miller's Batman is considered fascist?

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So maybe I started this thread badly. I didn't give any examples of people stating that Frank Miller's Batman is fascist.
Here's one made by hbomberguy
youtu.be/4xRDiUD1a8c?t=453
I doubt that he'll respond if I ask him directly.

gothamcalling.com/batman-fascism/
Here's another one made I.M. Baytor. I also doubt that he'll respond to my question

It’s the quote, “The world only makes sense when you force it to” and the fact that Batman creates his own League of vigilantes all under the banner of The Batman.

Since Batman controls them all, and they all obey Batman, then he’s regarded as a fascist. At least that’s how I understood of their reasoning as to why he’s a fascist.

He’s not an actual fascist. He isn’t acting like Mussolini or anything. But they argue he has a lot of fascist philosophies

>maybe
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>I doubt that he'll respond if I ask him directly.
>I also doubt that he'll respond to my question
You didn't even try.

At best, Batman starts a cult. But this is a distopia where the government is blatantly tyrannical and Batman helped Gotham thrive in America’s darkest hour, literally, without the government’s help.

Fascism started in Europe with spergs grabbing sticks and hitting Hungarians, poles, French speakers, Jews, etc, depending on the place the victim would change but it was always vigilante groups enforcing their sense of morality using strength, regardless of how justified it was. Moore is right.

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Facist being rules enforced by extreme dictatorship.
He is a facist because he uses force to enforce rules, but that's such a vague definition that any individual will be considered a facist if he wants to assert his personal domain. Be it his own house. Which is just assinine to proclaim.

No, the will of the people to vote to enforce laws against crime, has been neglected by police and politicians, batman is acting out the will of the people to clean up Gotham. These rules were decided on by the people.

You can say any rule that is established and enforced is facism, but the nuance that makes it less cut and dry is people's votes, and how rules are enforced, but I digress.

Hes not facist, hes not working for the government like superman.

You can say that Frank Miller's Batman is authoritarian. But there is no racialism or nationalism in DKR, so all the talk about fascist seems to be serving sensationalism and only that.

Racialism doesn't correlates with fascism. Fascism isnt even a right or left wing thing. Stop understanding fascism on a burger way.

Authoritarian adheres to some kind of authority, like a government.

What authority is batman trying to get criminals to adhere too? Be it the street punks and sleazy politicians?

Fascism seems to be pretty right wing. It say so in almost every definition of a word.
But yeah racialism started with German fascism, but Italy and Mussolini seem to adapt most of Hitler's ideas in that regard. So I don't think I said anything wrong or misleading

this fucking ground zero batwank ruined DC forever

you could argue that Batman is an overall facist due to his stance on crime but authoritarian in DKR? absolutely, same beef with old Batman in Kingdom Come and Timm's incestuous fetish for Barbara and Bruce. DC is obsessed with turning their funny book characters into grimdark garbage in the most superficial and shallow read possible.
I'm just so glad BvS bellyflopped to put the final nail on the coffin of that ridiculous story.

>Fascism seems to be pretty right wing.
Dial8

>Fascism seems to be pretty right wing.
It was started by a Socialist when he was kicked out of his socialist group for being TOO socialist.

Himself. Which is pretty much a single strongman figure, rather than a select few or many

Right wing is about economic factors only, just like being lefty. It has nothing to do with fags, nigs, racism, being conservative or any other dumb thing Americans and associated to it.

>Moore is right.
by Moore’s own words, Superman himself is also a fascist in every regard.

If it is himself, then where did he get his moral compass?

We're going into a tesseract here. Chicken and the egg.

Legit never seen someone make that comment before.

>hitting Hungarians
who attacked Hungarians? what are talking about? Hungary sided with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. if anything, Hungarian forces were fascist. talk about batman and stop baiting, hunfag

He’s essentially starting a cult, not a fascist dictatorship, in my opinion.

Fucking retard.

Faggots like hbomb claim it because white nerds who voted for Trump like it.

>Fascism seems to be pretty right wing. It say so in almost every definition of a word.
It gets more and more in the left direction, so it's not right exclusive
>But yeah racialism started with German fascism
Actually it started in Italy in WW1

That may be more apt. A cult is just a few steps from power to be a full dictatorship.

Either or. Anyone, or any group who adheres to a code of ethics is subjecting themselves to some kind of authority. Those who speak the code frequently and fluently can be seen as the dictator, when in fact, they had merely better integrated with the code of ethics.

He is. The difference is that superman is inherently fascist as most capeshit characters, Miller's batman is an interpretation of the character that has intentional and openly fascist tendencies.

>incestuous fetish
What is incestuous between Bruce Wayne and Barbara Gordon. I don't get it.

But Italian fascist adapted racialism from Germany.

This. Batman's not pushing his own laws, he's just fighting lawbreakers. Yeah he has to take on people who get in his way like cops and government stooges, but he never kills them or forces them to do anything the governments laws doesn't already tell them to do. Everyone who fights with him is willing, and all the punks who weren't are back to baseless criminals.

It's just high scaled vigilantism. Same as Batman ever was imo.

>I'm just so glad BvS bellyflopped to put the final nail on the coffin of that ridiculous story.
We just had 85 issues of Batman legit being portrayed as a unfeeling psychopath who treated a woman as his life saving boat because he couldn't accept that he was empty as a person.

Fascists need the help of economic powers to rise to the head of the country. Generally, captains of industry and banks. Those are rarely left wing. Fascism is good for big companies, hence why they tend to help fascists.

Authoritarianism can be left or right wing. Just look at China which transitioned from communist to capitalist smoothly. They just replace the communist ideology with nationalism.

Fascism is always right wing. Fascists have no problem with the bourgeoisie.

In top of that. He actively tries to help criminals with their mental issues. Harvey's dent, joker, riddler,mr.freeze.

I remember one episode where he was helping out the ventriloquist, as both bruce, giving the ventriloquist a job, and as batman, beating the pulp out of thugs trying to pull the ventriloquist back to crime.

Batman/bruce wayne is an enlightened centrist.

Nothing you said made any sense fascism doesn't need anything other than popular support at least initially before they gain power bother the Nazi party and the Black shirts were fairly popular and being a rich person and or a captain of industry doesn't make you a capitalist

Most rich people especially in America aren't capitalist.
Authoritarianism cannot be right wing at least not in the American sense as right wingers hates government in all it's forms.
China is very much still a leftist government in fact China is very much National Socialist it went from far left to slightly less left. It allows private initiative but only so much as it benefits the State and the government still in charge of everything.

Because loud mouthed communist don't understand what fascism is and call anything they don't like fascist.

He has no delusions that he isn't a criminal. He's just a better alternative criminal than letting criminals who murder rape and steal do whatever they want. He just wants children to keep their parents.

Both of you are retarded.

Thanks for adding to the debate user

>vigilante groups enforcing their sense of morality using strength, regardless of how justified it was
That's not what fascism is. It's an authoritarian ideology advocating government control of all aspects of society but, unlike communism, nominally allowing private ownership.

Batman is one man in one city of all of America who has no government of his own and does nothing to interfere with the existing government or it's laws besides beating up lawbreakers by the set governments own definition.

He's not forcing his will or guys was onto everyone he's just adding as an illegal supplement to the already existing legal system.

If Batman declared himself mayor of Gotham and made his batpunk gang his gestapo maybe you'd have a point.

>nominally allowing private ownership
To a degree. The facisist realize the efficiency of private initiative however the State still reigns supreme as it still reserve all rights and private "ownership" is considered a previlige not a right.

I agree but to add to this in TDKR Batman even admits that he is a criminal as pointed out by
There is nothing facisist about Batman's actions in TDKR authoritative, maybe but facisist, No.

That's just wrong. Also there's no Fascism in
TDKR. I believe Moore used the term more broadly, not in the historical sense.

>I believe Moore used the term more broadly, not in the historical sense.
I thin he used it in the meaningless "foo on you!" hippie sense.

That's kinda the problem with devaluing words especially powerful and meaningful ones like facism.

A feature, not a bug; leftists don't want to admit fascism is a variant of socialism reacting to the problems of communist rule in the soviet union.

I have also notice that most people even some that consider themselves right wingers or even centrists have a problem with the fact that facism is on the left wing. I have even seen some go as far as to say that it is a third option neither left not right.

Facism to anyone with the necessary political and historical education is obviously on the left. I must admit there have been a major and concistent attempt to to convince people that facism is on the right.

Facism being right wing is perhaps the most successful propaganda of all time up there with the great switch of the 60's

Fascism is far right but there's the "horseshoe theory", i.e. extreme ideologies are close in certain aspects.

He turns Gotham into a vigilante-enforced police state when the blackout hits. Gotham becomes the only city with no crime.

no, it was socialist. it just gave a lot of the control to big business because they could get results and help bankroll it's rise. the things people think are right wing are actual more up and down than left and right, like authoritarianism and national identity.

Yeah, I agree, but the definition of authoritarian is that of adhering to a government. When the laws batman is trying to help enforce is that that affects the common man. Batman's enforcement isnt so much for the government, as it benefits the government as a byproduct of protecting citizens trying to make ends meet.

>If it is himself, then where did he get his moral compass?

We live in a society!
For vigilanties to do their service, requires voluntary action. As a public service. which is why batman chooses to be an example leading them, vs a facist, dictating them, to action.