Some user made a convincing argument for this a few weeks ago and I can't stop thinking about it.
Is it true that we live in a "post-creative" age?
i mean probably. you have any better ideas than stockhausen user?
No such thing, if you see no potential for expanding the realms of creativity maybe you just aren't creative enough user?
There are plenty people out there creating things, myself included. The best doesn’t necessarily make it to the top though.
Nothing that's created is new though. There will never again be an entirely new genre. I'm not even sure if there'll even be an entirely new subgenre at this point. Everything is just rehashes now.
No, there are more young creative minds right now than throughout history. The thing is, money drives ambition. It always has. Right now there's no quick, easy route to making money through traditional arts like music. Too many gatekeepers. So what do they do? They get into technology. Programming is easy as fuck, and if you're creative, it's relatively easy to make a fortune before your 30's without having to deal with people gatekeeping your ideas or preventing your projects from getting exposure.
Honestly wish I didn't waste so many hours practicing instruments and honing musical skills growing up. It's still a fun creative outlet, but I've realistically peaked right now making ~$800 a gig (which have all been canceled thanks to the coronavirus). Meanwhile this nerd classmate I had in high school is a self-made millionaire from doing those escape room things.
>Right now there's no quick, easy route to making money through traditional arts like music.
We're fucked then. I can't see music as an artform surviving much longer than 10, 15 years if the current trend continues. If most people can't make a living off of music like they once did, then we're screwed. The quantity of good music being released each year will lower and lower (as it has been every year for the past 5 at least).
maybe
might as well make whatever the hell you want as long as everything's shit.
why is everyone so obsessed with being original and pushing boundaries anyway? why don't you slow down and try to refine what already exists.
What was the argument?
>there will never again be an entirely new genre
how can one say something this stupid jfc
all creative thought is an amalgamation of outside stimuli
theres nothing inherent about this age that makes it any less creative than any other
id actually argue that living in an age with more easy access to information than ever before makes people even more creative
that mentality is how things like smooth jazz and bro country get started though.
>caring about making it and becoming a millionaire
capitalism ruined your minds
seriously. we grow up in such a fame-obsessed age that people forget to realize that being somewhat skilled at fucking anything is admirable in its own right. so you're never gonna have a song with over a million plays on Spotify? big whoop, dog. sounds like you're normal. doesn't mean you can't get good at an instrument.
Well experimental music is the future i guess
What’s the argument OP?
Usually when people make art, they want other people to appreciate that art. People don't make paintings just to stare at them in their own room, alone.
of course, but you gotta be prepared for the very real possibility that nobody's ever gonna appreciate it.
this makes me want to commit suicide
just don't go full unkle adams
There's a whole massive gap inbetween "nobody hearing your music but you" and "40 million spotify listeners, topping the billboard charts".
It isn't unrealistic at all for Anons to dream of gaining some recognition for their music. Didn't that Car Seat Headrest guy start off sharing his songs in Yas Forums sharethreads?
we're in the era of gen z clout culture. a cheap way to be famous is to make memeable music
yeah he advertised the fuck out of himself here until the original twin fantasy blew up. now look at him
I want to live comfortably.
This is true nothing is wholly original. All new art is just a new way to rearranging old ideas.
There's no basis for anything you said. More people can make art now than ever. Why would people's ability to do it as a career affect the creativity or art? People make art regardless if they get paid or not.
Music isn't getting worse, you're just getting old and out of touch and you can't move on from the styles you enjoyed when you were younger that are no longer popular.
Exactly my point. There's no such thing as "making it" really because there isn't a precise point anymore at which you would decisively know you made it. I guess 30 years ago it used to be signing a record deal, but even then, plenty of bands signed a deal, flopped or never released an album, and their members are now middle aged dads working ordinary jobs today.
If your dream of "making it" is just getting any recognition for your music at all, then its very achievable. If your dream of "making it" is being the next Drake or Kanye West, then yeah, you probably need to reign yourself in.
yeah, but i think we just lose sight of things. i see way too many anons like who go completely 'make it or break it' about this shit. failure's a very real possibility, and it's probably the most likely possibility. Car Seat Headrest-level is still pretty lofty. Zeal and Ardor started off by posting his music on here too. but still, that's what, 2 out of however-many-thousand people post on this board? i'm not trying to be overly pessimistic or discourage anyone, but it's just a reality most people with creative-impulses have to face at some point. even if you're great, you might never get noticed for it. so you gotta create for you on some level, otherwise you'll just wanna kill yourself 24/7.
>There will never again be an entirely new genre
yeah man, everything has already been created since I can't personally think of new things.
>I'm not even sure if there'll even be an entirely new subgenre at this point
just when I thought your post couldn't get more retarded
You need to have some kind of balance though. Create for yourself so you don't go insane, but without ambitions, you've got no chance anyway. If you don't have ambitions of where you want to go with your music, popularity-wise, that are believable and achievable, then you will never have the drive to actually push and market your music.
And I think a lot of Anons on this board constantly pushing the "you'll never make it" meme isn't helpful. A lot of people on this board are depressed enough as it is. We need to stress that if you are making music, you need to put the art first and put thoughts of success out of your mind while you're creating, but when it comes time to release that music, having ambitions of success doesn't make you insane or delusional.
no, i suppose that's not wrong. it's just my habit to roll with the mindset of 'good things could happen, but should they?' i would never fault anyone for being ambitious, trying to improve their skills, or trying to market themselves. in fact i think those are all good things. but it's overly idealistic to bank on your music being what pays the bills one day, as much as we'd all like to be full-time creatives. there's plenty of people who find mild success but still have to work regular jobs on the side. i'd agree that there are realistic ideas of success, but they're not always what people (on this site particularly) are looking for.