Is jazz popular music?

Is jazz popular music?

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It’s arguable, I feel like technically it is, but it’s has been made for the sole purpose of art

I think it's closer to folk music. Its primary form is live and recorded versions are secondary. Popular music is usually defined as being oriented around the recordings and is therefore closely tied to production technology and aesthetic trends

No, Jazz was popular music first and foremost. Only with bebop did people start thinking this is art and started turning into snooty wallu woofters.

Jazz is American classical.

>Its primary form is live
This was true for all forms of popular music less than a century ago. Folk music is a subset of popular music.

I think it was???

pop, there have definitely been art releases but the majority is pop music.
I also consider almost all folk music pop as well

yes, just like classical

"Jazz" is too broad to actually be considered a single genre... If you're talking about 20s jazz and stuff, that's mostly dead, but fusion jazz and other stuff has been getting more popular. It seems that more traditional jazz (count basie, dizzy gilespie etc.) is sorta getting more popular since more kids are playing it in school

no classical is classical.
>Art
>Pop
>Classical
these are the three genres of music

A music genre being "popular" has nothing to do with it being popular music.
Art music and classical are synonymous

jazz is classical music for stupid people

"Art" music is a 20th century invention. They aren't synonymous. Living conditions prior to WW2 didn't allow composers to just make whatever they want for the hell of it like "Art Music" presupposes, they were writing to eat, please their Lord, or appeal the Church.

Racist.

>before WWII
>Eat, please the lord, or appeal the church
This nigga talking like 1890 wasn't comfy as fuck. The whole romantic era could be summarized as composers doing whatever the hell they wanted for the sake of "muh atmosphere, muh aesthetics"

its popular music for men over 30

Retard, classical and folk are not “popular” music
It’s actually
>Art (which is classical)
>Popular (including Jazz, Rock etc)
>Traditional (Folk and other shit like that

It's actually all retarded and all of it refers to how it gets catalogued and sold and has nothing to do with what it sounds like.

Shut the fuck up faggot

classical really isn't that intellectual, you'll realize that when you stop being a teen pseud.

>Glenn Branca
>The Residents
>JG Thirlwell
>Frank Zappa
>Terry Riley
>Mike Oldfield
>Throbbing Gristle
are these Art or Popular?

it's not "art" retard it's academic

These weren’t my words user, these are the terms that are used, and I’m 24 and I don’t listen to music just because of how “intellectual” it is, also, seethe more poptimist fag

dilate boomer

Wow, found the idiots

yes they all are popular music with the exception of Terry Riley. The thing that made all of them different from the rest is that they push popular music's boundaries

Most of them are popular, though Zappa and Branca cross over to art often, and Riley is Art

Well, did these people create music to sell as a product and perform for money?

All of who I named create compositions. How is Mike Oldfield different from Terry Riley? And isn't Throbbing Gristle just Musique concrète catered towards rock fans?

making music costs money. If they're not "art" music simply because they sell their music, then please show me the way out of this retarded thread.

Jazz was expressly not intended as art music in the years of creation. It was dance music played in bars and was written to be sold as pop singles. It didn’t start really getting out there until the 50s

>t. Jazzfags

This this this. How can you generalize almost all of human music history like that in a second