Noise Music IS NOT music

And that includes: No wave, Noise Rock, Noisy Pop and shoegaze.

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It is.

ok but why not

No shit, it's Noise.

Elaborate OP

No it sn't, you may enjoy it but calling it music is pretty forced.

Harsh Noise arguably isn’t music, but Noise Rock/Pop and Shoegaze indisputably are.

>but Noise Rock/Pop and Shoegaze indisputably are
They're a missing link between autistic cacophony and actual effort.

I agree

What do you think about industrial?

It's timbre, pitch, intensity, and tempo in soundscape form - it's music.

The best noise music is also structured (Merzbow is dogshit), has a rhythmic characteristic, has atmosphere, and sometimes vocals.

Examples:
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Music that overuses reverb is not music as well.

>rock and pop isn't music
Stop

An ape can make noise and you can force yourself to like cacophony, music is enjoyed naturally by humans since birth.
In other words degeneracy.

If harsh noise is not music then neither is ambient.

>music is enjoyed naturally by humans
If that is your standard for what defines "music", then noise, rock and pop are all music, because there are people who enjoy them

Yes.

Make something like this then: youtube.com/watch?v=8a11luYTxMo

Get back to us when you're done.

As i said it, you may like it but not call it music.

filtered general

>you may like it but not call it music.
But you just said if one enjoys it, it's music.

Make up your mind.

any sounds made for the purpose of artistic expression is music.

Yeah except that's not what i said.

It is music.

>music is enjoyed naturally by humans since birth.
You didn't say this?

Yeah, the enjoyment of noise music is a social construct

I'll call it whatever the fuck I want, pleb, and I call it music, because that's what it is.

Do what you like, on your way you might even call comics or video games high art.

Define music and then demonstrate why noise is not music otherwise get the fuck out

>"high art"
WOW! Check out the BIG brain on user!

*Fine art, you faggot