Can we admit that he was great? He was churning out 100's of songs a year

Biggie was better but he was good I guess.

Tupac was a rap ARTIST. I doubt very much that most people acknowledge or even realize what pac was trying to do for his people.

This is the undeniable truth. West Coast rappers include wiz khalifa and The Game... That should be enough to discredit the whole region.

>100's of songs a year

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He was a great rapper, sure, but I listen to music for more than just people rhyming words well, and so in that regard I have no interest in his music. Kendrick Lamar does a better job of combining more socially conscious, "woke" themes in his music with actually good and sometimes interesting production.

>Kendrick Lamar does a better job of combining more socially conscious, "woke" themes in his music with actually good and sometimes interesting production.
Hahaha

Please an hero

Dunno why you're getting hate, it's pretty easy to see that Kendrick's production bleeds musicality when compared to Pac

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Your favorite rappers are 2pac an Jay-Z? I have no problem wi that since Tupac was co-signed by Digital Undergound.
youtube.com/watch?v=LSt6a0_pkzs
And Jay-Z did that extremely fast rapping.
youtube.com/watch?v=K1thvEtGM5M
They kept the essence of hip-hop.

I've tried to get into 2Pac so many times but I just can't do it. I can hear that he has some killer flows, but the production has aged like roadkill.

And I don't think the flows are *that* good– When I listen to a fire verse from someone like Rakim, DOOM, Lil Wayne, or Biggie, it feels almost electric, while when I listen to Pac I feel like I'm just admiring the flow from a distance.

I won't pretend he wasn't talented but he does literally nothing for me.

Yeah man Hit 'Em Up is just about the most inspirational song ever written, really lifted the black community to new heights.

MC REN is still underrated
youtube.com/watch?v=7dOjVczHa7I
youtube.com/watch?v=f_Axa_WaaEA
youtube.com/watch?v=RxAEXUyGM94

>Jay-Z did that extremely fast rapping

Speed has nothing to do with the essence of hip-hop and is mainly an attraction for really surface-level listeners. It can be fun to hear a rapper really let loose but people don't become legends because they're fast otherwise we'd all be worshipping Twista and other chopper rappers. Hip-hop is broad enough of a genre that it's difficult to actually distill it to an essence, but if I had to pick what's essential for a great rapper post-Rakim, I'd say it's how well someone commands attention. Jay-Z at his peak does it with a combination of sheer charisma and deliberate, hook-y flows, while other greats like Del tha Funkee Homosapien do it with an insane degree of internal rhyming and a flow that goes all over the place melodically.

The performance in this song will always impress me more than any fast rap possibly could, because while anybody can teach themselves to rap quickly, which is the entire essence of the entire Midwest chopper subgenre, only Del makes flows like this, and he's wholly unique.

youtube.com/watch?v=yf9OAFML_Eg

tbf this release strategy is at least half of how Lil B became Lil B

few good ones though, Biggie turned out 10 songs and at least 7 of them were good

It's lame because Jay-Z was style-biting back then. It wasn't until 1996 when he came out with Reasonable Doubt that he really came into his own, both professionally and artistically.
youtube.com/watch?v=PbEHquc89iw

I like the Jaz song that was linked, but I agree, Jay wasn't Jay until Reasonable Doubt. The Jay from the Jaz period was a fun rapper, but he wasn't Hova.

You just can't compare stuff like Dead Presidents II, The Takeover, Lucifer, etc. to what came before them.

Del didn't even maintain this level of performance throughout that many of his songs

Agreed, but I think this is the rare case where a single album can elevate a rapper to god level on its own, like Illmatic.

It's too bad that Del couldn't keep up with this in his solo discography, but I don't think it diminishes the legend that he built with 3030.

>discography
I liked Both Sides of the Brain and Future Development. I agree that he's an all time great. I would have put him in my top 5 at another time in my life, if not now.

For me? It's Regrets
youtube.com/watch?v=OieJdDZ_w7s