He claims to love music

How would knowing music theory make him like music more?

How would knowing english made me enjoy more to read literature than not being able to read?

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Were talking about listening to audio, not looking at words, so I think this is a pretty bad comparison that doesn't really lend anything to the argument...

Music theory only really helps you enjoy music more if you also have an extremely well trained ear. If you're listening to music and know a lot about theory but can't transcribe the melody or identify the harmonic progression just by listening, then your grasp of theory doesn't help you

How would be better not knowing japanese and listening to japanese songs than knowing japanese and listening to jpop?

same shit idiot.

Do u prefer to listen audiobooks in a language you don't speak?

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I've listened to foreign songs, and didn't need to understand the meaning to enjoy it, like the outro to FLCL.

> Do u prefer to listen audiobooks in a language you don't speak?

This is pretty much what you said last time.

Do you think your understanding of a song would be deeper if you understood the language is spoken?

lyrics don't make music better

lyrics are the least important part of music by far
vocals should be treated as another intstrument if present at all

Yes, although that doesn't necessarily mean I would like it more. I've listend to songs with lyrics I understand, but the meaning of the words wasn't appealing, while the sounds of the singing itself still sounded good (kind of like opera).

so, you can only understand pop trash and clearly you couldn't understand clasical music.

Again, you brag about being an iliterate.
You will never be able to enjoy or understand something like bach music.

Glad you can only understand and enjoy the most plebian music.

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I agree, however how much knowledge do you think a listener should have? I’d say the majority of people who know theory learned with the intentions of playing an instrument first and foremost. Due to this do you think people interested just in appreciating music better should take a different approach to learning than your average musician would?

learn to compose music will give the most understanding of music.

I never said I was illiterate, and I'm not going to force myself to enjoy Bach if it's not pleasing to my EAR because I'm pretty sure music is for LISTENING to first, and foremost. I'm not saying there's nothing to your music theory, but I think you overlook the word THEORY a bit too much...

I can see how that could be true, however I don’t think everyone needs to know how to compose music. I mean even your classical critics probably don’t do so. I’d say basic theory and music history are more important.

That's right faggot. Enjoy wasting time jerking off with your nose in a book while I listen to dope fresh bangers and fuck my hot gf

How good is your ear? As I've said earlier in the thread, your understanding of music theory doesn't help you appreciate what you're listening to more unless you can transcribe the melodies and identify harmonic progressions by ear. If you can't do that, you're a poser.

>hey u enjoy music instead of analysing every part of it
>get on my level
Time to die faggot

>all music is to be ear candy
ok retard, enjoy being an illiterate.

music also can be a sport, poetrhy, literature and even philosophy.

Sure, but I'm making fun of retards here.

You can't claim you LOVE (emphasis on love) music and not know music theory.

Imagine bragging about being an illiterate and that you fuck some low IQ whore, lmao.

an animal with no brain.

Sure, but such skills aren't that imposible to acquire.
Unless you need to transcribe music, is more important to understand things like the Sonata form and things like the direction of the melody (upwards, downwards), understand things like chord function and how a melody is constructed and the methods of development.

yeah OP, we all know GOOD music is impossible to create without diolyximedian structure and enharmonic counterpointing

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all modern music is garbage.

Learn music theory and listen bach, pleb.

listen bach to what?

>Sure, but such skills aren't that imposible to acquire.

Ah, that's what I figured. What this tells me is that your knowledge of music theory isn't particularly deep. If you actually study music on an advanced level then you're expected to know how to transcribe things and identify harmonic functions by ear. That's how you actually acquire the skill to analyze music on a deep level.

It's great that you probably know what roman numeral analysis means. But since you don't have a developed ear, you don't actually have the ability to criticize and understand music on the deep level that you're claiming. The result is that your likes and dislikes are inevitably going to be based on predetermined ideas of what makes music sophisticated or not, and a lot of actually intelligent musical ideas will fly completely under your radar because you don't actually know how to apply your knowledge of theory to what you're listening to in the moment.

If I had someone who could read to me out loud whenever I wanted, I wouldn't need to read.

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listen this instead of modern pop garbage.

I agree my musical ears aren't top tier and I'm trying to work towards solving that (I installed some ear training app in my phone).

It's pretty hard to start learning music once you're now an adult and never took a musical education (because your family was poor).

However, I've been trying to solve that by learning the most I can on music theory.
Which has been able to give me a proper understanding and enjoyment of clasical music.

Being able to go from bach fugues are noise to being able to admire it, maybe not at a deeper level a professional musician will have, has been one of the most beautiful thing I've been able to enjoy in my life.

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cool, because I'm sure you could understand this masterpiece of english literature.

>inb4 is gibberish

>all music is to be ear candy

I think the way colors in paintings might invoke emotion, and reflection, so to can the simple tones, pitch, ect of music do the same. So maybe being "ear candy" isn't so bad. I speak from personal experience. ;)

Apocalypse now? that's like one of the most normie films ever.

Great thread, Jacob Collier.
Would you like your afternoon cocksucking before or after your afternoon ego inflation?

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painting can be more than a cute anime waifu being fucked.

as such all art forms can explore philosophical topics.
Same with music.

Ok, then jodorowsky films or jacobs ladder.

As well as if I were reading it myself. Are you saying you can't understand it? If anything, "bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!" works better read aloud than read on the page.

Music theory is based on what humans think sounds good. You don't need to know anything about it to enjoy music. You don't need to know shit about cooking to enjoy good food either.

not all music (specially clasical music) is made to sound good to the ear.