What year do you say the 60s ended musically? In 1970...

What year do you say the 60s ended musically? In 1970, you can say 60s sounds were still largely prevalent but when do you think it tapered off and it was clearly a new era/zeitgeist?

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"The 60s" is a bit of an asspull since every year of the decade sounded very different. Psychedelia was definitely done by 1970. Mod rock was out the door by 68. Heavy metal was emerging with Cream/Hendrix/Iron Butterfly during 67-69.

But culturally people like to say the 60s went up to about 71 or 72 when the 60s heavyweights like The Who, Stones, and McCartney were still the dominant forces in rock and their music from this time is still part of the same general zeitgeist.

wanna say 1970 but it was a few more years before coke and 'ludes replaced acid as the drug of choice

I can't see any way that White Rabbit and Fame could coexist together or represent any kind of shared zeitgeist or musical qualities. The absolute latest one could make is Nixon's resignation but honestly the era of gas lines and general public cynicism were a completely different era from the optimistic 60s.

68 was a turning point. music that year started getting heavier and darker in tone, it wasn't the optimistic sounds of 65, 66, 67.

The Eagles' S/T came out in 72 and that represented a definite change away from love beads and into coke/Quaalude/polyester culture.

I'm not sure. Led Zeppelin I sounds very removed from the general aesthetic I give to the 60s but it came out before Woodstock happened.

Yeah but granted, Sticky Fingers and Who's Next clearly don't sound like the 60s anymore.

I agree with Who's Next but can't agree with Wild Horses. It fits pretty well with the country rock scene which existed in both decades.

Zeppelin's first two albums definitely sound like the upcoming 70s despite a few token nods to psychedelia here and there (eg. Whole Lotta Love). Also the Stones, Beatles, Who albums from 68-69 are sounding different as well, they were getting darker and heavier than their cheerful mid-60s output.

Even then, Whole Lotta Love sounds totally unlike any 60s rock, especially the drum sound.

Not music related but counter-culture related, many say the Kent State shootings are when the 60s really ended.

The mid-70s coincided with the pop music industry definitively centralizing in LA. Even Motown left Detroit in 72 and headed to LA. That had a lot to do with the rise of coke and Quaaludes, since they were the drugs of choice in SoCal. Rock was also becoming a mass market commercial industry and corporate buttrock bands like the Doobie Brothers began to happen.

67 was still 100% the 60s, 68 is a transitional year, and 69 is really sounding different. The arrival of Nixon in the White House I think did mark a definite change in the cultural and political climate.

Iggy Pop always claimed he singlehandedly killed off the 60s.

Here’s one way to look at it: how are the stragglers from the 60s packaged? Meaning, albums recorded in the 60s but released in the 70s.
The Beatles Let It Be was mostly recorded in January 1969, but wasn’t released until March of 1970
Aphrodite’s Child - 666 was released in 1972, but there had been a delay of four years and it was recorded in 1968
Bob Dylan’s Basement Tapes were recorded 1966-1969 and released 1975, but by then it was clear this was the official release of previously unreleased material. It wasn’t treated as a brand new album, it’s kinda the prototypical Bootleg Series. So by 1975 the 60s were clearly a separate era, but 1970-1972 it’s not as clear.
What other albums were recorded in the 60s and released in the 70s?

The Velvet Underground and Nico and White Light/ Whit Heat, though recorded in 68-68, were the beginning of what came after the 60s in rock

I'm not sure about TVU&N to be honest, though I know it influenced a shitload of proto-punk bands obviously. The imagery of the album is very much of the artsy group Warhold hung around with...because that's basically what the album's written and performed by. And that group, while not exactly part of the hippie movement, is very tied to the 60s.

I get what you’re saying... but when I listen and compare VUN to Sgt. Peppers, which were released at almost the exact time, or Piper at the Gates of Dawn, or the early Zeppelin albums... the contrast is just so stark... the differences is so palpable...i feel the same way about London Calling and the 80s... it was really the beginning of the great 80s rock sound even though it came out in 79

Sunday Morning and most of the songs with Nico sound like they fit perfectly within the 60s to me. It's the bluntness of the subject matter more than anything that sets the album apart.

What do you think about White Light White Heat? It’s even less mainstream sounding than VUN to me... Sister Ray is prob my favorite VU track... I wish they would have done more recording with Cagle...I feel like the band fell off a little after his departure

>feel the same way about London Calling and the 80s... it was really the beginning of the great 80s rock sound even though it came out in 79

In The Heat of the Night sounds really like the 80s and it's also a 79 album.

>What other albums were recorded in the 60s and released in the 70s?
Uh...Black Sabbath S/T?

50s: 1954-1963
60s: 1964-1969
70s: 1970-1979
80s: 1980-1989
90s: 1990-1995
00s: 1996-2009
10s: 2010-????

I'd say the 10s really started in 08ish and last to 2016 and since then we've been in a new "era". I'm not just talking about music but that era fits at least the billboard top 40 as well.

To elaborate a bit on 50s: 1954-1963 (the emergence of rock & roll)
60s: 1964-1969 (the emergence of the british invasion)
70s: 1970-1979 (the fall of psychedelia, the rise of hard rock and punk rock)
80s: 1980-1989 (the rise of new wave to the fall of glam metal)
90s: 1990-1995 (the rise of grunge)
00s: 1996-2009 (the rise of teen dance-pop groups)
10s: 2010-2016 (the rise of brostep)
20s: 2017-???? (the rise of trap and soundcloud rap)

>I'd say the 10s really started in 08ish
Why?

>and last to 2016 and since then we've been in a new "era"
You are actually right. Updated.

Checked but the new era probably starts more in 2018 or 2019, they felt different compared to previous years.

The tone of the Bush to Obama had a massive tonal shift. It was also when the MCU started which has since shifted mainstream pop culture in a pretty massive way.

I stand by 2016. It was the year trap really started taking off and Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and that ilk were officially old guard whereas a few years prior they were considered the top of the top. And politically 2016 was the biggest shift most of us on Yas Forums have seen in our lifetimes.

If we go by eras in general, and not just musical eras, then I would say that pre-Avengers MCU and post-Avengers MCU are different eras. Or maybe the split should go with Age of Ultron instead, since that when the shift consolidated, imo. Before Avengers the other MCU films were just your typical superhero film tbqh.

I would point out the shift from identity poltics from 2010 (feminist/queer tumblr) to the shift to a more socialist worldview consolidated after Bernie's campaign in 2016 (reddit's socialist subreddits).

I can't comment on the Bush to Obama shift, I personally don't see anything different there.

Musically I think 2017 fits better under the trap argument. The political argument after 2016 is fair.

>If we go by eras in general, and not just musical eras,
I'm going by overall eras, not just eras within specific parts of pop culture. The shift started with the early MCU. I'm talking about the shift they had on pop culture, not the shift within the properties.

Personally I haven't noticed an actual change in progressive politics from identity politics (which are still a huge part of them) to the socialist side outside of reddit.

>The shift started with the early MCU
From what I remember they were just average movies until Avengers if not later. I mean, Iron Man is clearly part of the previous tradition of superhero movies.

I have. But that's only half of the story. The rise of the alt-right on the same year and the ongoing polarization are important to note too.