So are these guys nazis or what...

>these guys

He's homo-fascist

>"At the start of the eighties, Tony and I were involved in radical left politics and beneath it history students. In search of a political view for the future we came across National Bolshevism which is closely connected with the Sturmabteilung hierarchy. People like Gregor Strasser and Ernst Röhm who were later known as 'second revolutionaries' attracted our attention."
Why is there any debate here?

What exactly does that prove? It's not exactly as damning as using a totenkopf on the album cover.

What more proof would you need lol? The dude is heavily into fash imagery, and has explicitly said he was looking for a political view and came across nazbol

Right? People can read books, doesn't mean they automatically align with their authors.
Also the totenkopf is just an old runic symbol that the Nazi's incorporated... if I understand Di6 charitably, Dougie is just trying to reclaim the older runic symbols BEFORE everything went to shit.
I think Dougie is eurocentrist but not specifically genocidal or even really that racist. It's a cultural thing, kinda like some Afro's have the diaspora thing going on.

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that, PLUS the symbol with a 6 on the bottom right literally just portrays the meaning of the phrase "Death in June"
people are reading too much into it, even if Dougie is romantically reflective about the ambitions of fascism and might be mildly racialist/eurocentric at worst

Even if he just uses the imagery and that to provoke people he hasn't denounced nazism which is just as bad. You can tell his influences like Strasser, Mishima, Spengler are fascistesque

I'm also certain he just has a few loose screws. It's fine, he's an eccentric, borderline crazy artist like any other. A real poet, in fact.

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Wouldn't a reasonable person know that there are a lot of people who object to any use of symbols and imagery of the Third Reich and think there's never a good reason to use it? Knowing that, why would someone who isn't sympathetic to Nazi ideas use it?

Simple minded plebs, sure.

>why would someone who isn't sympathetic to Nazi ideas use it?
Art. Duh.

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Doesn't really matter because Current 93 is infinitely better. Doug would have no career without fashbaiting whereas Dave is a true mystic and poet

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A lot of punks and bands like Rammstein use similar imagery but obviously aren't sympathetic to nazis ideas

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>not liking C93 and Di6 equally
Talk to me when you grow up. You're halfway there at least.

if you're going to use nazi imagery as part of your brand then you should probably, i dont know, say that you're not a nazi

He sang Mein Kampf in one of his songs and named one of his albums after the Holocaust (inb4 b-but he didn't mean thaat holocaust. he knew what he was doing)

If he isn't a literal nazi then he is still an edgelord

Weak argument, Rammstein has explicitly denounced Nazism and are openly leftist to this day

Yeah thats what I said

Right? There's a massive history of runic symbols and imagery that goes the ancient times, is completely ingrained into the cultural psyche of so many cultures in Germanic, Nordic, north/east European roots... and this Nazi's are one instance of shitting on all that... you're gonna let the Nazis win and take away all of that cultural resource? Fuck that.

apologies forgot to include the rest of my comment, it's different because Rammstein are openly leftists whereas Doug's political stance is up in the air

>nazi imagery
Again, it's not Nazi imagery, the Nazi's stole the imagery and neofolk artists are trying to reclaim it from them.
It's ANCIENT symbolism, not Nazi.

>edgelord
I'll certainly accept that, as a massive Di6 fan.

Rammstein used footage from Leni Riefenstahl's film Olympia for their video for "Stripped," and they wore SS uniforms in the video for "Deutschland," but I don't recall them having used any Nazi symbolism other than that, and they've come out and said that they're leftists, not Nazis. Has Douglas Pierce ever denied being a neo-Nazi or being sympathetic to Nazism?

right but most people know it as nazi imagery. if they truly want to take back that ancient imagery then they should make that clear, otherwise we're left having this conversation

>most people know it as nazi imagery
That's a problem with their ignorance, not a problem with the artist.
Dougie has said such things as "I don't care what assumptions people want to make about me", and I think he probably sees the rustled jimmies as free advertising.

John Balance had a falling out with him because of his politics

I don't know if it was that specific, could you provide a link?
The only thing I heard was Dougie saying that they just had a bad vibe in the studio, so they left.

>intentionally letting people think that you're a nazi to own the haters
that's definitely something that someone without nazi sympathies does

But how do you know their intent behind them. Yas Forums uses a lot of ancient symbolism too pretending its just some European culture appreciation thing but its obvious they are actual nazis

You sound like a woke moron.
You're being more fascist than he is.

they're a bunch of statues bro, they don't have views on politics

>explicitly speaking against fascism makes you fascist
very cool. fuck off back to Yas Forums

Nah, it's just your judgmentalism is just as off putting as Yas Forums's is, is all.

kek
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