So I think it's time for us to have a toast

Lets have a toast for the jannies, that never take work off

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>massively overrated producer
it's okay, you clearly know nothing. you don't need to pretend to fit in

>all those thousands of rappers and artists who say he's amazing
source

married to a disgusting whore, he's an absolute simp

I know more about music production than you do, 100%

nigger unless you think he's a government psyop you can literally find hours of video of big name artist and producers sucking him off

You don't know what that means. Stop using it. There are better insults that he deserves that make actual sense.

and yet somehow you are still retarded and butthurt. what a life

tell me what that means user, he fucks a bimbo that's pretty simp to me.

>simp
this dude has had more sex with more prime women than you can imagine

Yeah and people love the Kardashians too, coincidence?

Kanye’s best work was in the 2000s and even then it was just those silly sped up soul samples. Everything he’s done since then has been pure wankery. Just because pitchfork and fantano told you otherwise doesn’t make it true, zoomer

simp doesn't imply how much sex you have retard

I don't think anybody "loves" the Kardashians, other than loving their bodies. And nobody says anybody but Kim is "successful" at what they do. At least she built an empire out of a sex tape.

good thing that was only the less important half of what i wrote, retard

I wish I could fuck a bimbo

the most important part of SIMP is the S, sucker. If the guy in question is banging his girl of choice, even if she's mediocre, that's just his girl. That's "settling", if anything.
A simp idolizes that pussy, but never gets to touch it. That's the entire point.

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you mean he fucked a few more plastic bitches you call prime woman, ok simp

I only started listening to Kanye like a year ago.

fantano and pitchfork are both fucking retards, and so are you. just because you thought his soul sample stuff was silly and his best work doesnt make it so. he has an extremely diverse and versatile discography that constantly sets trends or brings them mainstream, not to mention he has an amazing ear for samples and is lauded by actual producers (read: not your basement dwelling underground shit) as being one of the greatest. youre a retard

MBDTF is way more interesting than anything he did before, you don't know shit about music or production if you think "sped up soul samples" was his peak

>The state of hip-hop as a significant genre of pop music has changed in just one week. Soon after the Pulitzer Prize committee cited Kendrick Lamar’s album Damn. as the first pop-music composition to receive its music award, a superior pop musician, Kanye West, posted a series of tweets that overshadowed Lamar’s album with a greater cultural impact than any pop-music production this century. The political world unfamiliar with the albums My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010), a collaboration with Jay-Z titled Watch the Throne (2011), Yeezus (2013), and The Life of Pablo (2016) suddenly had to take notice of West as the most adventurous pop artist of the era. He bridged hip-hop’s R&B basis with punk-art fervor, dance-music flamboyance and art-rock audacity, but this is rare musical–political synchronicity.

>West’s tweet (“I love the way Candace Owens thinks.”) was also trailblazing simply by voicing admiration for the podcaster Candace Owens, a 28-year-old black woman who asserts her disenchantment with liberal, Democratic-party politics. Owens’ perspective challenges the conventional lockstep willingness of black civilians and politicians to follow the same ideological sentiments laid out for them for at least the past 50 years. West’s Twitter agreement went viral, causing international response (some pro, but mostly con) that wiped Lamar’s Pulitzer win from public consciousness — after all, it was merely one of those racial “firsts” that liberal media likes to tout as an example of “progress.”

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Keep sucking that dick user, you’re a literal NPC parrot

Janny, I got a plan
Run away fast as you can

>The real progress is that West immediately released a new track this weekend titled “Ye vs. the People,” which mops up Lamar’s litany of immiserated ghetto complaints by using hip-hop to revive black American discourse. In the style of a tweet that circumvents mainstream media’s filter, West (as “Ye,” one of his art-monikers) speaks directly to “the People,” the pop audience that has followed him from his College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation trilogy (2004–07) to his great success, latest artistic triumphs, and recent mysterious reclusion. West knows that the rest of the world will listen in on this new record, so his exploration of musical styles and public address in “Ye vs. the People” urges his widened audience to rethink the current controversy. West states his case while advancing political discussion, which recent hip-hop albums such as Beyoncé’s posturing Lemonade, Public Enemy’s Nothing Is Quick in the Desert, Jay-Z’s 4:44, and Lamar’s prizewinner have all failed to do. Despite their varied artfulness, these records repeated conventional, predictable social panaceas or else made no political impact.

>West reimagines his media storm as an aural tempest, literalizing the sound of Internet chatter and whirling within it a thrusting, jabbing “private” conversation between his impudent celebrity self and a shocked, uncomprehending fanbase — “the People,” who are personified by Atlanta-based rapper T.I. (Clifford Joseph “Tip” Harris). They go back and forth, West’s remonstrations versus “the People’s” perplexity. Independent thinking vs. African-American orthodoxy. (“The greater good of the people is first you had a bad idea / And you making it worse.”) Despite the recent cliché calling for “a conversation” on all matters of social agitation, usually by politicians who really just mean “Listen to me,” West actually presents a conversation.

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>The recording is nothing so simple or arrogant as propaganda.

>Better than a “beef” track (the hip-hop genre in which two rappers battle their differences in public, to the delight of fans who enjoy an egotistical cockfight), this debate attempts a civilizing colloquy on the phenomenon of West’s Twitter messaging. (After mentioning Owens, his tweets have continued, waxing philosophical about politics and the need for self-awareness over group identity.) This buzzfest, showing the conflict between two people who are not out to destroy each other, instead presents fraternity at cross-purposes — a civilized way of portraying America’s current divergence. The People are not a test market for West’s solo venturing into lonely personal morality, but a sounding board refusing to absorb his best intentions and suspecting them as dangerous to black folks’ well-being. (“You don’t see the fine point / What you see equal / Make them see evil.”)

>Behind West’s new Twitter infamy is the confounding memory of his 2005 impromptu TV statement, during a Hurricane Katrina charity marathon, that then-president George W. Bush “doesn’t care about black people.” Left media embraced that outburst for its expression of black disgruntlement. But these tweets are different: They’re not a complaint but an appeal to reason that disconnects from the party line that keeps black Americans tied to the aims of leftist doom merchants who continue to manipulate them as disaster-prone unfortunates. Race propagandists are disturbed that West has changed his thinking — or worse, they refuse to contemplate that when speaking from his gut, spouting a particular brand of Democratic racialized blather, he didn’t know what he was talking about. Now, especially after seeing the Bush clan recently join the “resistance” (thus gaining support from the same media folk who once scorned them), West’s unfair Katrina outburst almost seems prophetic.

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>The great irony of “Ye vs. the People” is that West unmistakably cares about what black people think of him.

>“Ye vs. the People” doesn’t quite equal the iconic status of that famous photo of ideological opposites, Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, that Spike Lee pasted onto the coda of Do the Right Thing, but, of necessity, brings that myth down to size. West vs. Public Enemy’s Chuck D might be devastating, but T.I. does not rap at West’s level. This problem goes deep into the aesthetics of hip-hop, catching a riptide in the racial currents of American pop culture.

>As the song’s antagonist, T.I.’s voice has that Southern drawl that legions of white pop critics and culture vultures swear by as the only genuine Negro voice. (Stentorian Paul Robeson? He dead.) In counterpoint with Kanye’s snappish, agitated, Chicago-based delivery, T.I. sounds a little “slow”— and in playing the role of “the People,” he is deliberately slow to take up West’s message. (“It’s some s*** you just don’t align wit’ / And don’t go against!”) Yet this is not a snide conversation, showing off class snobbery (the fake vs. the real); instead, the disagreements arise from points of divergence: This is what black consciousness sounds like after the experience of unfulfilling, disorienting “progress.” (West’s summation “I know Barack was heaven-sent / But since Trump won / It proved I could be president” juxtaposes Democratic superstition to Independent possibility.) Now, with Obama out of the way, West and T.I. are actually discussing the freedom available for black people to break their ideological bondage.

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youre such a freethinker for hating kanye :^)
>mbdtf is less impressive production than sped up soul samples
seriously it's embarrassing. you didn't even mention Late Registration which is a clear step up from chopping soul. Just shut the fuck up

Reminder that 808's and Heartbreaks is his best album.

>Their argument revolves around various of states of cultural influence, in search of a common cultural/political identity. Kanye describes emerging into enlightenment from America’s (and his own) depression: “I was in the sunken place / And then I found the new me,” referencing last year’s horror-comedy Get Out. That film added little to the culture except that nebulous term for disorientation. Director Jordan Peele even tweeted a threat to write a sequel that would definitively portray West in “the sunken place,” but his peevishness proves he’s also an inferior artist to West, who launches “Ye vs. the People” with a gloriously agitating sample from the Four Tops’ 1967 Motown hit “Seven Rooms of Gloom.” It’s a rich metaphor for modern America: “I see a house / A house of stone / Filled with gloom / You took the dream I had for us / Turned my dreams into dust.” The Motown sound is intrinsically propulsive, at one with black America’s cultural future.

>Peele lacks West’s vast sense of cultural heritage, and so Get Out merely rejiggered Hollywood’s old scared-spook racial stereotypes for Millennials who are inclined to accept a new set of supposedly “woke” racial cartoons. This generation, surprisingly unfamiliar with traditional Hollywood racism, was eager to see actor Daniel Kaluuya in totally naïve, ahistorical terms, overlooking his bug-eyed, frightened visage in order to desperately acknowledge their own deracinated but angry selves. He represented Black Lives Matter, newly entitled (and endorsed by Obama) to vent a revanchist paranoia that must be recognized and respected everywhere, even if on Get Out’s trifling terms. (Candace Owens’s dismissal of Black Lives Matter is at the root of the outrage about West’s endorsement because it deprives Millennials of their politically correct grievance reflex.)

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>Given this new defensiveness, Millennials will not see T.I. as an uneducated, mentally meandering throwback, but as one with those brooding, unapproachable Millennial wastrels from the TV series Atlanta. The grievance reflex gives T.I.’s role in “Ye vs. the People” the illusion of black solidarity — all blacks seen as cadging, feckless, pissed-off reprobates. This perspective, which stubbornly adheres to old 1960s civil-rights imagery, is a political aberration. T.I. is well cast for the sound of black Southern and urban political loyalty (which one West tweet audaciously cited as “plantation mentality”). T.I.’s twang suggests a new version of the lazybones comic caricaturist Stepin Fetchit (whom Kaluuya also resembled). Black Lives Matter kids may not make the cultural association due to PBS and Democratic propaganda making sure that they connect instead to civil-rights-era lunch-counter beatdowns, despite the fact that they (and their Starbucks-restroom martyrs) have never actually experienced such atrocity.

>Based on unresolved social issues (from housing to education to jobs), black Millennials ignore recent political change and possibility. They stick to the usual discontent propagated in hip-hop’s very rhythms and intonation, whether as the sped-up, psychotic cadence that Kendrick Lamar adopted from Eminem or the rap lingo that deliberately resists what used to be known as “proper English,” embracing slang and profane dialect as acts of defiance and self-redefinition.

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>“Ye vs. the People” is an art document that confronts the dilemma of a new “double consciousness” (to use W. E. B. DuBois’s legendary phrase to describe black folks’ awareness of their personal and social identities). In the form of an argument, West portrays the halting terms of black political discourse as led by black politicians and activists who prefer comforting stereotypes but are challenged by an increasing set of blacks like himself who pursue new potential and avenues of change.

>West’s previous hit, “Ultralight Beam,” was an ecstatic neo-gospel tune that transcended politics to imagine black spirituality. Its beauty contrasts with the pathetic motif of Kendrick Lamar’s Damn. (His repeated lament “Ain’t nobody praying for me” pleased secular critics.) Acclaim for Lamar’s negativity by a major cultural institution is no surprise when that institution is part of the mechanism that perpetuates and fetishizes black misery. Mainstream media’s overall intention to make a monolith of black political thought goes against the best hip-hop from Public Enemy to De La Soul, Geto Boys to Migos (especially their recent “Walk It Talk It”), who all epitomize the range of black political thinking and social experience.

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This nigga actually thinks people are going to read all that.

MBDTF is overcompressed garbage, and you don’t understand the first thing about music production. There’s no winning with you idiots though, trust me, I’m aware of that. I’ve been shitting on your retards for a literal decade over on Yas Forums

that's one hell of a life

>“Ye vs. the People” is the most audacious hip-hop single since Geto Boys’ Willie D released “Rodney K” in 1992 to condemn what he saw as the late Rodney King’s appeasement to the patronizing media. West has kept up the apostasy on Twitter, but this single moves into a realm that sustains the person-to-person essence of his argument. I’m reminded how in 1998 Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates wrote a promotion of Warren Beatty’s hip-hop-inspired political film Bulworth for The New Yorker that conspicuously repeated point by point from my 1992 City Sun analysis of “Rodney K” (included in my anthology The Resistance: Ten Years of Pop Culture That Shook the World) without ever citing the source. But that was before social media made it possible to keep a record of nonconformist ideas and trace how they get twisted into conformity from the commanding heights. West’s single makes the ideological conflict among black Americans part of hip-hop’s drumbeat commentary, and that may be the toughest resistance of all.

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>I hate Kanye West & Rap music what a fucking shitty genre music for black people
>*Kanye West becomes a good friend of Donald Trump*
>You know ... "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" is the best rap album ever made, Kanye west is a genius
>Just listen to Runaway's outro it's fucking magic, bro

>some literal who soundcloud "producer" zoomer thinks his opinion is worth a shit
kek thanks for admitting youve been crying about kanye online for a literal decade by the way. imagine being this pathetic

keep fighting the good fight :^)))))))))))

>Poppity Scoop
wtf happened to good music bros?

I’m just happy to not be a retard like you guys.
>you’re such a fucking hoe I love it
Wow 10/10 genius you just don’t get it listen to that brilliantly complex synth bassline

cry some more for me

same

Seething non-response

Le3ts have a toast for the niggers

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Scat in music has been a thing since before the 20s

compression has zero to do with whether the production is unique or interesting. People like Kanye because he's innovative with arrangement and what types of sounds he uses. You're focusing on minutia that have nothing to do with the creative parts and everything to do with the technical aspects of mixing and mastering

>n-no u
kek

Kanye is the fucking GOAT. Too bad his movie wasnt that good

What does Yas Forums think about Clipping?

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>no “no u”, u

>n-no u
jej

Exactly. And Fantano said it was meh

he's literally still going. watch, he'll reply to this post

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he's literally still going. watch, he'll reply to this post

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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He's the only critic worth following

>tfw try listening to a kanye song
>immediatly filled with disgust at the soullesd electronic production
Why cant black people make good music anymore?

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youtube.com/watch?v=Ivp0owZH6bI
peak soul what are you on about?

the rapping sucks

>all those thousands of rappers and artists who say he's amazing and all the millions who buy his songs
billions of flies eat shit

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This dogshitcant even make it through the first minute, why do plebs like this dogshit?

he has a good voice, good delivery, a front and center message. what do you want?

music for lowIQs

>he has a good voice, good delivery

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>massively overrated producer
Yikes, he produced the best hip hop albums of both of the last two decades.

And all hip hop is garbage, so he still hadnt produced anything good

Well said

You’re an NPC user. Form your own opinions

Why are you fags always so fucking rude to people who like genres you dislike?

Your welcome to your opinion, just know that it’s wrong.

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No real artist will cite him as an inspiration. There will be no great movies, art, buildings or literature inspired by his work. Seeing that you think pop musicians and other rappers citing his work being a merit, I wont say he has no influence on "music"

its not a good singing voice obviously, but its clear and fairly distinct which is what you want for rap. again, what do you want? he's not a good singer even though I like his singing because when he does it it carrier significance in his songs

lots of it is but youre still a retard, go back to Yas Forums faggot
back to r.eddit
Lou Reed: "But the guy really, really, really is talented. He’s really trying to raise the bar. No one’s near doing what he’s doing, it’s not even on the same planet."

Elton John: "“He’s a stone-cold genius. He’s like Miles Davis meets Frank Zappa. ‘808s & Heartbreak’ is the sexiest record since ‘What’s Going On.’ He played us the track for ‘All of the Lights’ and it was fucking amazing. It’s like, ‘Wow, this is something else.’ I mean, he sampled Bon Iver! That’s his genius. His new album is a masterpiece.”

Paul McCartney: “I love Kanye, people say he’s eccentric which you would have to agree with but he is a monster… he is a crazy guy who comes up with great stuff.”

Prince: "Prince also praised Kanye West's song 'Gold Digger' and its sampling of Ray Charles, adding, 'The way he made something new with that sample was perfect.'"

Bruce Springsteen: "I listen to Kanye West. Kanye West is incredible."

go ahead and ask for sources faggot, I have them

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>You’re an NPC user. Form your own opinions
But I’ve listened to every hip hop album this century. I can’t decide between the College Dropout or Late Registration as the best of the 2000s, both by Kanye. Some would say The Blueprint is better than both of them, but that’s also produced by Kanye. And My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is head and shoulders above all other hip hop albums from the 2010s. I would put only Good Kid Maad City in the same ballpark. Are you sure it’s not you who has had your opinion assigned to you, NPC?

I already told you I don't care what other pop musicians think. It's garbage for lumpenprole trash, it's like saying he makes the best ready made dinners. So what? It's ultimately without merit, it's bland, it's boring, it's for people with no imagination

>doesnt rate lou reed or early bruce springsteen
I get youre a pseud. please go back to Yas Forums and suck yourself off, we just want to have a nice thread here on the superior board

>lots of it is but youre still a retard, go back to Yas Forums faggot
Yas Forums fucking loves hip hop garbage you retard.

Besides that, hip hop IS all conplete dogshit. There has never been anything good in that genre and there never will be

>Yas Forums loves hip hop
you have never been to Yas Forums, its like saying all Yas Forums loves capeshit. just shut the fuck up

Wow this guy is retarded
Go back to jerking off to your only fans subscription simp

No, I want you to think about the merit of their art, is it truly transcendental? Does it uplift you? Or is it lumpenprole feed?

all these has-beens probably just hung out with him at a party and thought his a cool dood. literally boomers trying to stay in touch

It’s funny how literally every Kanye thread instantly devolves into the shittiest thread on the board at any given time, with both sides being equally insufferable

Go to Yas Forums and make a thread saying hip hop sucks, tell me how many people agree.

guaranteed these dudes listen to entry-level "intellectual" music like Can and then jerk themselves off over it

>lumpenrole
What kind of absolute sexless pseud teen has this in his vocabulary?

>Yas Forums
>superior board
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>no good artist praises kanye
>here are some of the most acclaimed artists of all time praising kanye
>nooooo those don’t count because that would make me wrong

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nice projecting porn addict, I haven't fapped since 2019

I think it's quite accurate in the sense that it's culture for the multiplying masses who will eventually start rape-fucking each other once an economic/ecological disaster strikes. It's culture for lowly people who should ideally be drugged up for all waking moments of their lives

I listen to Captain Beefheard, John Coltrane, Rush, Scatman, Frank Zappa, etc

Second post guy here, im not the guy you’re replyibg to, Im just saying hip hop is complete dogshit in every way

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2. Yas Forums
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As someone who got started on Yas Forums in 2009, Yas Forums is vastly superior

Yas Forums is the worst board on the site

specifically said that I don't believe in the institution of pop music, I said that I think it's ersatz culture that's actively debasing people and keeping them in infantile state of mind

Atleast Yas Forums talks about music. Yas Forums only talks about politics and waifus soulless celebritied

No it’s not.

A lot of people talk about that it’s true but people here actually care about what they’re talking about. People on Yas Forums use music as an extension of their image/brand and it’s really disgusting to watch

lmao, what do you listen to? really hoping it's Burzum or unironically because that would be perfect stereotypical pseud

>an entire genre is bad
Wanna know how I know you’re a pleb?

Well, I left this shithole 4 months ago, did Yas Forums magically improve in that time? All I remember is soijack spam, off topic shit and politics

>caring about capeshit makes it a better board
Besides tgat Yas Forums cares far more about music than Yas Forums ever will about film

>the state of this post

That'll never take work onnnn

>a psued listens to captain beefheart, the literal opposite of psued

Do you know what worst means you stupid faggot?

Art music mostly but I appreciate the genuine sentiment in some folk music as well
I'm sorry, it's not real culture. You're rats running around in an obstacle course without being able to elevate yourselves. The deification of pop artists is specifically made to keep people in same state of mind as obstacle course rats. It's culture of stagnation and death

Yes, and Yas Forums is exactly that. Cant think of a worse board

>massively overrated producer
you outed yourself right here bro

LMAO @ this salty ass nigger

tons of pseuds listen to Beefheart, literally top-tier pseudcore, handpicked by the legendary scaruffi himself. The fact that Trout Mask Replica sounds terrible to normies gives it bonus pseud points because it lets some insufferable person like yourself tell them "it's supposed to be like that"

Anyone who listens to music and has half a brain understands that he’s overrated

name some names oh patrician 4channel poster

You’ve probably been to like two boards then. Yas Forums, /s4s/, and /fa/ are all far worse without even getting into the subjective ones like the weeb board.

So far I've only met brainlets who listen to kanye

Yas Forums is a bunch of pretentious hipster kids who can't into banter

No but seriously, think of these "genres" as different nations. Do you think the nation of "pop" will birth a lot of great artists, thinkers, builders and inventors? Or will it be a nation of stagnation, disease and ultimately death? The people vibing it up with fresh hot beats are rats on a ship they're too stupid to even comprehend. They're the detritus of real culture

Like every critic ever

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Despite the fact that TMR is my least favorite album by hin?

Thank you. It’s the emperor’s new clothes of music.
>oh yeah, this totally is actually a masterpiece

>Yas Forums, /s4s/, and /fa/
All better than Yas Forums

I listen to Hildegard Westerkamp

So I can’t handle the bants despite the fact that Yas Forums is the only board where I’ve been banned for racism?

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE THESE FREQUENCIES AND VIBRATIONS
sorry nigger but i'm vibing

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Ok pleb

What are you even trying to prove with this? Wow, he’s 15th best according to some random internet list, you sure proved his objective skill.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DISLIKE THESE FREQUENCIES AND VIBRATIONS

>U2 that high

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Literally the Canadian Blur

William Byrd Georg Philipp Telemann, Bach Arcangelo Corelli, Henry Purcell, Jean-Baptiste Lully, Dieterich Buxtehude, Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina, Orlande de Lassus, Domenico Scarlatti, François Couperin, Jean-Philippe Rameau, Alessandro Scarlatti, Claudio Monteverdi, George Frideric Handel, Heinrich Schütz, Antonio Vivaldi, Marc-Antoine Charpentier

>he’s 15th best according to all critics
ftfy

Can’t believe Yas Forums used to spam this trash as if it was decent

Thanks for proving my point. It’s more of a device to claim authenticity than it is music at this point.

Right, an exhaustive list of every critic on the planet. Thanks for your input, and for proving the remarkably low level at which the average Kanye fan’s mind operates

that's exactly what I'd say if I liked a critic darling artist but wanted to have a contrarian opinion, but I'll let it slide because Bat Chain Puller is better

they tried to trick me into thinking it's good!

Correct, and now that you have only ad hominems left I’ll accept your concession.

KEK

ah yes, time to show the lumpenproles who's boss by listening to my playlist of renaissance and baroque bangers

I gotta ask, are you a monarchist?

Thank you for outing all of the retards who worship this talentless nigger

Incredibly based

Who is the nigger in this situation? The well written and thought out article or the faggot who can't read anything longer than a tweet?

*ting ting*
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Nah man, I'm a christian integralist but I'm not too fussy about politics

college dropout, late registration, 808s, yeezus, and life of pablo are all better than mbdtf. only graduation and ye are worse. i'm not counting jesus is king.

I love sniffing my farts too!

Look bro, I'm sure it was a very formative moment for you and all but this stuff is for the birds