I have a confession to make

I have a confession to make.

The truth about "emo" is that most of what is accepted here isnt really emo, it's some form of indie rock. People here point back to Cap'n Jazz and Sunny Day Real Estate as the progenitors of everything they listen to today, which is true, but they are not progenitors of emo. They are pioneers in college indie rock (and in SDRE's case, mainstream indie rock [yeah, they were on MTV in 96 and half the members went to Foo Fighters, look it up]) incorporating influence from post-hardcore and emo.

There's a reason this stuff is called "post-emo indie rock," or as it has been branded thanks to a handful of early 90s bands no one remembers any more who were from the actual midwestern United States and actually played emo (including Gauge, Current, Ordination of Aaron, Endpoint, Split Lip, Friction, and Chino Horde), "Midwest emo." The reason is because it isn't really emo and needs to be distinguished, kind of how 'metalcore' came about when that scene stopped being primarily hardcore and moved to metal/alternative.

In a similar sense, the post-emo/midwest/indiecore scene moved away from hardcore in the mid 90s, and was seen as a new, post-emo movement, hence the name and ridicule from hardcore bands. Meanwhile, I doubt anyone who lists Mineral or American Football as their favorite 90s "emo" bands could name any actual mid/late 90s emo. Sucks cause there's so much good shit: Traluma, Chocolate Kiss, Stratego, Edaline, Twelve Hour Turn, Unionsuit, Blue Water Boy, Still Life, Thumbnail, Four Hundred Years, Assfactor 4, Sleepytime Trio, Amber Inn, The Deadwood Divine, Bread and Circuits, The Red Scare, Metroschifter, Radio Flyer, The Hal Al-Shedad...I could go on.

You see, the fake/real emo dichotomy is nowhere near nuanced enough to capture the layers of relation to emo that all the music referred to as "emo" has. That's a pretty annoyingly confusing sentence so lemme break it down - there are four types of emo:

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• REAL REAL EMO (emotive hardcore. Usually melodic hardcore punk with minor influences from post punk and what would become, with emocore's help, post-hardcore indie rock; from Rites of Spring and Moss Icon to Walleye and Falling Forward to The Shivering and End on End to Slow Code and GIVE. Emotional hardcore punk rock music)
• FAKE REAL EMO (non-hardcore music that gets considered "real emo" by pretentious middle class dorks who have no clue. Usually indie rock, math rock, or post rock that is influenced by the instrumentation, composition, and/or dynamics of emo; from The Van Pelt and Boys Life to Penfold and Boilermaker to Mock Orange and No Knife to empire! empire! and My Heart to Joy to Hightide Hotel and Oso Oso. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock music)
• REAL FAKE EMO (non-hardcore music that has just as much influence from emo as FAKE REAL emo, but because it's not sad, mellow, and somber [cough or not rock music] is refuted as "emo" by most twinkle dorks. Usually post-hardcore, alternative rock, or melodic hardcore/pop punk that takes from all the same places as indiemo; from Samiam and Trusty to Sense Field and Grade to Seaweed and Kill Holiday to The Movielife and Boys Night Out to Title Fight and Polar Bear Club to Self Defense Family and Narrow Head. Post-emotional hardcore punk rock and "emo-adjacent" [meaning, diy bands who played shows with emo bands in the underground] music)

• FAKE FAKE EMO (non-hardcore, non-emo related music that still gets referred to as such by the mainstream/anyone who thinks emo is synonymous with "sad." Can be anything but most commonly indie rock, because people don't understand the difference between releasing a chart-topping record that influences the whole landscape of music, including the underground and therefore emo; and actually being related to the underground DIY hardcore punk movement known as emo. Take your pick; Weezer, Boys Like Girls, The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus, Modest Mouse, Julien Baker, Pinegrove, Linkin Park, The Cure, Morrissey/Smiths, blink-182, Atreyu, Simple Plan, AFI, My Chemical Romance after their first album (especially Black Parade, a pop rock album), The Front Bottoms)

If you ask me, artists like lil peep, Wicca Phase Springs Eternal, nothing,nowhere, shinigami, and LiL Lotus all fit perfectly into category three, REAL FAKE EMO. These are all DIY artists who are inspired by the same "emo" bands as every revival/sparklepunk/sadwank indie band that gets jerked to death here, but because it only comes through in aesthetic and lyricism as opposed to...oh wait, no, thats exactly the same as pretty much all modern emo -- it is only related to Real Emo (aka REAL REAL EMO) via aesthetic and lyrics - if it's actually related to any degree. The sound is not even kind of close and isn't rooted in hardcore at all. Every twinkle-centric band you love is rooted in indie rock because twinkles dont come from hardcore; every band with a sing along chorus is a pop band. How are you gonna tell me that indie pop artists with sad yelling are emo, but indie trap artists with sad yelling aren't?

TL;DR - here's your ultimatum, indie dorks: either both American Football and Lil Peep are emo, or neither of them are.

Your sad indie rock is not emo either.

My Chemical Romance is my favourite emo band

autism

>Real Real Emo
Emocore
>Fake Real Emo
Post-Hardcore
>Real Fake Emo
Post-Hardcore/Pop Punk
>Fake Fake Emo
Emo-Pop

btw you forgot skramz

I'm eating rn. I'll be back.

Pretty true

what are you having

2 fried eggs with chopped green onions and 2 slices of tempeh bacon cooked in ghee used last night for greek meatballs, a large salad consisting solely of dandelion greens, thick cut oatmeal with honey, hemp hearts and frozen blueberries, hot turmeric-ginger green tea, and a row from a Lily's INTENSELY dark chocolate bar.
No, I do not activate my almonds. In fact, you activate your almonds because you are a huge Gay.

sounds good
post pics

I can't get my camera past the pyloric sphincter.

post yr favorite emo/fake emo bands

swans

Skillet

>OP is an autist: the thread
It's 2020, not 1990s, "emo" is an umbrella term by now. Nobody gives a fuck about your muh diy hardcore punk anymore, deal with it

I don't think you understand emo

every genre of music is emo when you think about it

This might be a pasta, but whether it's sincere or not, I can acknowledge and agree with a lot of stuff there, but...
The war is over.
No matter how much I want to reclassify stuff I like in order to differentiate it from dudes that melodramatically croon and screech over formulaic chord progressions by labeling them:
>progressive hardcore
>punk melancholia
or whatever, nobody cares because hardly anyone has played that stuff (with high quality or creativity) for almost 20 years.

who I really feel bad for is bands/artists who hate and are stuck with their genre classifications. You think Drive Like Jehu or Unwound like being told they're somebody's favorite emo band? You think John McEntire or Mark Hollis (RIP) or Efrim GYBE like the term post-rock? You think Autechre or Boards of Canada think they make music that fosters intelligent dancing or exclusively intelligent people to dance? You think the guys from Tragedy never take showers?

Everyone knows the right threads/groups/lists pretty quickly by the albums that are praised.

>I have a confession to make
>never confesses anything
what did they mean by this

yeah so you got these angry lads right and they like play aggressively and scream and whine right. so it is like hardcore but with whining how my life sucks etc. that was once called emo but now we should call it emocore because like it's emotional hardcore you see. then other sissy faggots listened to this music and liked the idea of whining. in fact they can't sing properly to play generic indie rock so they decided to make this 'emo' music more gay and just sob and half-scream all the time. they didn't scream they didn't sing they half-screamed out of tune and that's called midwest emo. then other faggots like op were heartbroken when their beloved stacy whom they treated like a goddess fucked some chad bully and their whole world collapsed... so they turn off sum-41 and start listening to this emo gay music and shit and now they want to kill themselves. and then some other boys with some knowledge and talent start playing really complex math rock music but in a gentle way incorporating some elements from whiny faggot ass boys. this one is called twinkle emo or midwest emo revival or some other shit i don't care i call it emo math rock. that being said the last phase is the best one because finally we can see some bits of a musical talent there. my favourites are van pelt, p.e.e. and modern baseball. thank you for the attention

this is some proper bait, good job

posting some stuff I've been listening to lately. Mostly from a Spanish label.
>Griver
the file transfer or bitrate is bad. I might upload a better quality one myself
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>Aina (Spanish Jawbox)
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>Shanty Rd.
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>A Room With A View
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>Traluma
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It's got me excited to find other Euro or foreign stuff that didn't get much attention here in the States. Anybody know some other good non-US emo-ish stuff? Not 125 Rue Montmartre. Everyone knows them. A bit more obscure than that.

YOU'LL TASTE IT
YOU'LL TASTE IT
HENTAIIIIIIIIIII

It's second wave emo. Whoop-de-doo.

>I have a confession to make
>tells a historical story involving nothing personal about yourself at all
learn how to english

>tfw know and love literally all of those FAKE REAL EMO bands
based me

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>There's a reason this stuff is called "post-emo indie rock,"
According to whom?

just rec me some good emo. that's all you have to do.

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I did
so did OP
>Traluma, Chocolate Kiss, Stratego, Edaline, Twelve Hour Turn, Unionsuit, Blue Water Boy, Still Life, Thumbnail, Four Hundred Years, Assfactor 4, Sleepytime Trio, Amber Inn, The Deadwood Divine, Bread and Circuits, The Red Scare, Metroschifter, Radio Flyer, The Hal Al-Shedad...I could go on

these faggots need to head over to fourfa.com

*Emotive Hardcore

Alright twinkle faggot :)

I can only reread the same 1,000 or so words that haven't changed in almost 20 years so many times.

thanks :)

People who are in the scene.

A lot of the midwest twinkle fag shit has indie rock influences.

That sounds fucking disgusting and you're a faggot for eating horse scraps

Imagine being this esoteric and pedantic about shitty music that only hipster twinks give a fuck about. I bet you're a hoot to be around OP.

Not OP, but what music do you listen to?

you really don't understand what emo is, dude

more than you