Making guitar music is 50% luck of the moment and 40% voice and 10% actual talent

>The only important aspect of music is making money

Retard

>Who gives a fuck? I make music because it's enjoyable.

No you dont, deep down we all want someone to listen to our shit and thats why we make it.

I really don’t understand the premise

if youre so concerned about "making it" just write pop songs
don't complain about being poor when you're just playing watered down dream theater

being popular and professional musician is basically all selling an image. it helps to have people to help sell it too so being connected to industry ppl and having money helps. i feel like even in experimental music this hierarchy exists. attractive people who represent popular beliefs are gonna be more popular regardless of what the actual music is like

doesnt mean you should give up and stop making stuff. you can still make stuff and share it with a small community. who cares about being popular anyways? id never want music to be thought of as a job rather than a passion

THEN HOW THE FUCK DID KURT DO IT?

Kurt wrote pop songs you fucking retard. Nevermind was written with the intent of making simple pop music, but with distorted guitars.

POP ISNT NEVERMIND ITS GRUNGE

Sure but I don't worry about being popular. I put something out and if people like it that's great, but I don't think about it too much. My focus is on making music I want to hear.

You can also be an audio engineer neckbeard and biggie sure wasn't pretty physically

Bro you’re just like me. You’re frustrated that you haven’t hit the big stage. It’s ok buddy, look to every responsible person I look like a total fuckin loser. Threw away everything, all for some silly dream. But dude, you like music right? That’s enough, just try your best and enjoy what you’re doing

>Meanwhile, Cobain was writing a number of new songs. At the time Cobain was listening to bands like The Melvins, R.E.M., The Smithereens, and the Pixies. Cobain—inspired by his contemporary listening habits—began writing songs that were more melodic. A key development was the single "Sliver", released on Sub Pop in 1990 (before Grohl joined the band), which Cobain said "was like a statement in a way. I had to write a pop song and release it on a single to prepare people for the next record. I wanted to write more songs like that." Grohl said that the band at that point often made the analogy of likening their music to children's music, in that the band tried to make its songs as simple as possible.

It was literally written, recorded, and intended to be a pop album.

Stop trying to make specifically "ROCK N ROLL!" music you fucktard. Just make MUSIC. And if you want to be big and successful, then make pop music.

God you're such a faggot. Once upon a time, guitar musicians did not have this cringeworthy obsession with being "PURE ROCK N ROLL". The great and successful rock bands of the past all had pop sensibility. They knew how to write songs that combined melody and accessibility with rock instrumentation and experimentation. That's what YOU should try to do.

As long as you keep playing and tour violently its not to hard to make a living

saying you don't want to or care about being popular is such a shit take
have fun at your 10 person house shows when you're 40

music theory is just an explanation for how music works, you can't be taught how to make shit that sounds cool you retard

Touring is completely out right now. My car can’t be trusted to leave the city. Although, I work constantly.. my band was preparing to record again but this corona shit put things on hold again

maybe you don't actually have talent

Talent isn’t actually a real thing, or if it is it’s pretty meaningless, especially in music. It’s like having perfect pitch (disclaimer, I do as my musician parents made me take piano for most of my life), it’s impressive but useless and doesn’t substitute for actually putting time and work in. It’s a novelty, and not even one that goes very far.

No matter how much inborn musical aptitude Liszt was born with, he would’ve never been the extremely prodigious piano player he became without his father teaching and sternly guiding him. I wouldn’t even have perfect pitch nor would I really play piano if it weren’t for my parents. You can’t actually be talented at piano, piano is a skill that’s developed with time and dedication. Before I really truly knew how to play well I could mess around and play by ear and do cool stuff, but I couldn’t properly break the rules until I knew them in the first place, no one is born knowing the rules, not Liszt, not me, and not you, OP. Bach didn’t just wake up and know instantly and comprehensively how to revitalize and reinvent the nature of harmony. Even self-taught guitarists that I love like Prince or Nels Cline weren’t just born shredding, they put the time and work in, either getting proper classical instruction or figuring out on their own, which although difficult and not always feasible nor necessary is still possible. Lang Lang was rejected by an instructor for supposedly not having any talent, and he’s one of the finest players in the world. Talent isn’t actually real. Ryo Fukui didn’t play piano until 22 after picking up fucking accordion at 18 and Bill Evans is Bill Evans. They are true inspirations to me, despite me not having anything in common with their stories.

This doesn’t really have anything to do with your post OP, but I still wanted to vent about it. To me the only thing that can actually differentiate experiences like this is one’s general intelligence, that is, the efficiency and creativity one’s brain is capable of, and perhaps some genetic predisposition to being musically inclined. I guess that’s talent, but piano prodigies and musical wunderkinds, despite probably having aforementioned existing potential, are not born, they are molded, whether by themselves or through an external force.

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Prodigies are a real thing but most of them aren’t creative. Talent, hard work, and creativity make something good

Certified American moment

I don’t understand why you felt the need to state that prodigies are a real thing when I acknowledged as much in the second post. I’m not sure if you’re a musician, but again, what I mean to say by prodigies are not born, they are made, is that despite the fact that they probably have a pre-existing musical aptitude, they didn’t just come out of the womb playing like that. No matter what they had to begin with, even the most naturally affinative pianists have spent a good chunk of their waking lives seated at a piano practicing. And if they didn’t have the right environment, or the right people pushing them, or perhaps even the family pushing them in another direction, they might not even have ever played piano at all. Lang Lang would probably have been some poor rice farmer somewhere. I made a point of mentioning Liszt because the strong influence of his father, and this applies to Mozart too, is to thank for the fact that these two players became so prodigious.

To be honest with you however, I didn’t even read this thread before making this post. In fact this post is pretty irrelevant to the thread

Partly to thank, not entirely. *