Remember PWR BTTM?

I saw them live at Bard during L&T

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Man their live shows went so fucking hard for how poppy they were. Got to see em play a couple of times.
It was cool to watch em learn how to sing in real time.

Dunno how much you're kidding, but like it or not these shows WERE safe spaces and because of the queer element, this was definitely one of those 'this band saved my life' bands.
I don't mind the standards being high.

Queer is a really big label, one which includes what could be perieved as bisexuality

yr mom ligma nutz too

>Queer is a really big label, one which includes what could be perieved as bisexuality
Actually it sounds like a cop out for someone desperately seeking attention for something as irrelevant as what they like the do with their genitals.

>safe space
aged like milk

anyone ever see them about?

I know, man, but your personal trigger words don't make it any less true. The kids I saw there were losing their fucking minds and I would have been too if I were five years younger.
That shit is still really important. It was a Philly show, a lot of them came from Jersey.

You can be queer and a rapist. One doesn't negate the other. Or are you just confused on how a combination of penis and vagina could be queer.

I refuse to believe that wanting to have sex with someone other than those of the opposite gender is so traumatic an urge as to warrant the attention whoring you drama queens seem to demand toward everyone else, at all times. Literally no one cares who you fuck anymore.

How's online classes going?

I left high school in 04. Nobody gave a fuck about homosexuality or transpeople then so if you expect me to believe the country (especially a place like Philly) has suddenly been swarmed with bigots 20 years later I ain't fucking buying it. No on is oppressing you other than your own victim complex.

Think I mentioned twice now about the kids.
Yeah, especially in Philly the world opens up a fair bi but all that doesn't mean shit when you're figuring yourself out alone. You're not queer, that's cool, ya didn't have to figure that out, obviously these people need the community
Ya don't know what that's like. Good.

No, there's nothing to figure out. If you're gay you're gay. Great, good for you, go on about your day and fuck whoever you want, nobody cares. It doesn't require a multi-year odyssey of drama and destructive and obnoxious behavior. It's not finding yourself, it's being an annoying twat.

Bud, that's just not how it goes.

>ut like it or not these shows WERE safe spaces and because of the queer element, this was definitely one of those 'this band saved my life' bands.
they really werent. being queer does not equate to "safe space." they performed at my school and were making comments towards people that made us visibly uncomfortable. like they repeatedly were teasing this gay kid who was wearing a lot of tattered clothes of how much a "little hoe" he must be. im gay but i really dont get why people assume queer = safe space. theres creepy pervs, rapists, and bigots like there are in cishet communities too. your just less likely to be targeted for being queer but that doesnt mean theres still not tons of prejudice, wrongful stereotypes etc not to mention intersectional bigotry like racism, sexism, ableism, etc that exists within these same communities. their shows were never safe spaces and i dont think even they ever tried to pin them that way

That's my point, though. They were being treated as safe spaces and how quickly they were routed out, kinda shows the need that was there.

That is absolutely how it used to go. Tons of kids managed to be gay and bi in my high school and managed to be well adjusted individuals with plenty of friends and normal ass home lives. The reason there is so much drama in the modern gay community is not because their lives are hard (they're easier then they literally ever have been ever) and not because of oppression or victimization (because that's not happening either.) The drama is predominantly caused by a desperate need for near constant attention in a land of social media: 95% of these kids "problems" can be traced directly to that.

i never saw anyone think of or label anything as a safe space. until after the shit went down and cishet people were like "omg look its always sjw and pc people who are rapist creeps who get taken down. they helped create and propogate this cancel culture and safe space language that cancelled them." when i really never perceived that vibe at all. they were out queer but certainly never saw them as any kind of advocates for safety. they seemed like trash sexual harassers to me before any of this even happened. basically their whole performance dialogue was teasing audience members and prying into peoples sex lives-- which is sexual harassment. i never felt they were advocating for safe space and inclusiveness ever. thats a label the media and cishet people trying to derail cancel culture attributed to them after all the shit went down

>and cishet people trying to derail cancel culture
As they should, because it's fucking stupid.

Gay-baiting NY dickheads turn out to be vile rapists. What an absolute shock

I don't think people would defend the space so hard if it weren't needed.
The same people I saw at PWR BTTM shows were the same people I saw in its each others arms at the HIRS and Gloss shower right after Pulse.
It's not what PWR BTTM was but what people saw in the and what they thought they could be. They didn't live up and were dropped, as they should have been.