How the fuck do I "get" Jazz?

1) kind of blue
2) moanin'
3) giant steps

bebop and hardbop stuff

then try coltrane discography

listen to charles mingus discog and wait 2 years

now you're ready for avant-garde jazz

wait 2 years more

now you're ready for free jazz

there u go

unironically watch la la land

CHOCCY MILK TRUCK HAS ARRIVED

Why did you post a nigger?

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based
cringe

Based and truthpilled. My dads been a jazz fan all my life, listening to really hardcore out there shit. I saw all these Yas Forums posts about jazz and decided to ask him about the stuff you retards were saying, stuff about how you need to understand all this shit about music theory and improvisation to “get” jazz. He said to me, verbatim, “user-son, I don’t know anything about any of that, I just really like the way it sounds.”
user, check out Joe McPhee - Topology, that’s one of his favorite albums. My dad has based taste, you can trust him. Here’s some artists he likes
>John Coltrane
>Miles Davis
>Pharaoh Sanders
>Albert Ayler
>Thelonious Monk
>Steve Lacy
>Evan Parker
>Archie Shepp
>Anthony Braxton
>Ornette Coleman
>Sun Ra
>Joe McPhee
Hell, just for kicks here’s some non jazz artists I’ll throw in
>Howling Wolf
>John Lee Hooker
>Muddy Waters
>Bob Dylan (full career, not just the 60s stuff)
>Elvis Presley
>The Beatles
>Steely Dan
>Leonard Cohen
>Paul Simon
>T Bone Burnett
>Harry Partch
My dad kicks ass, tell your friends to listen to the above artists listened or go to hell!

Jazz is just degraded classical made by 60 IQ slaves. You don't "get" jazz. The closest thing there is to good jazz music is that which takes inspiration from classical, third stream, where the musicians are actually competent enough to compose their music beforehand instead of freestyling and improvizing for 5 minutes at a time per instrument because they are too lazy to actually craft music.

Forgot, add these
>Mal Waldron
>Scott Joplin
>Richard and Linda Thompson

>dumb faggot who doesn't know dick about Classical or Jazz
Go back to the k-pop threads you monkey.

>I just really like the way it sounds
Your dad is a wise man, that's how you should pick your favorite music.
Thanks for the recommendations, user.

those artists are a bit advanced for starting. Charlie parker, sonny rollins, herbie hancock are more suited

Oh fucking hell I forgot Charles Mingus he loves Charles Mingus
No prob
Those guys aren’t bad at all, he doesn’t play them a ton but he doesn’t dislike them

no one that listens to classical would say that

Guess I'll pull out the big guns.
Jazz is just a decadent form of classical, in which the rigour of melody and rhythm loosens for the retarded african slaves playing and creating it, with the scale not even a tenth of what it was in, say, the early romantic era. Then they think they are getting the hang of it, so play their instruments a bit faster and for longer, in horrible, chaotic, and repetitious solos that go on for up to 2 minutes for EACH PLAYER. This was called "bebop". See Coltraine's "Giant Steps". This got so retarded and ear-splitting that it ended up creating cool jazz (which is the complete opposite of bebop), where it finally learned it's place (as background music, since no thought went into it's composition but retarded african scribbling and random sprawling solos, and so focus needed to be kept off of the music itself and onto something else for it to become bearable). See, for an example of cool jazz, Kind of Blue by Miles Davis, which was high-selling for precisely those reasons.
Then someone actually competent, Charles Mingus, stepped on the scene, and started rigorously composing Jazz, taking inspiration from the superior classical composers, and creating the peak of jazz, Third Stream. The best jazz album ever, the black saint and the sinner lady, was released by him, along with masterpieces such as the song below
youtu.be/Rbdx-jR3a8U
Jazz, soon after, decayed into trash "electric" Miles-esque music, where albums would be two-hour long improvisation sessions, or "spiritual awakenings" from 60-IQ monkeys mishandling their instrument and abandoning all musical rigour, such as scales and rhythm, creating disgusting "free jazz" bullshit. Jazz couldn't survive this faggotry, and died. It was subsumed in funk, with players like Herbie Hancock pushing it in that direction, as well as Miles' guitar player.

add mccoy tyner and anthony davis and it's blessed

I could talk about this all day, and trace and connect Classical into Jazz into Funk into Pop and Hip-Hop into Trap, and connect music's death with with the ascendance of other artforms, and connect this to democracy and capitalism, and connect this to the feminization of the West and the advancement of civilization, and connect that to the advancement of technology, and connect that to the intelligence of it's various creators, and connect their inspiration to the work of scientists, and connect their knowledge to that of the great philosophers, but hey, I don't have all day.

you need to lay off Yas Forums my friend

If you're not someone who grew up listening to and playing jazz, realize that you will never appreciate some of the jazz essentials the way others do. Not all of them of course. But I believe only someone with strong knowledge of music theory can truly appreciate albums like Giant Steps or Somethin' Else. These albums will mainly be hard bop, modal jazz and post-bop. You're far more likely to enjoy other jazz genres where the aesthetic and general vibe is important, like cool jazz or spiritual jazz. If you like noise music already, listen to free jazz. I would say you should listen to all the jazz essentials, but learn to quickly identify which albums are geared towards theoryheads. You can abandon these quickly.

yes, and also feel the cadences. those sweet 7th and extended chords

how do I "get" a negress like that?

>the rigour of melody and rhythm
>dude fuck Cadenzas lmao
Don't waste anyone's time writing stupid garbage if you're going to fuck up from the get-go you mongoloid cock goblin.

>too lazy to actually craft music
>don't realizing that improvising is composing on the go
big yikes

Thoughts on Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert? It's entirely improvised, yet it's one of the most impressive jazz pieces ever performed. It borders on being classical music.

dear lord, coffee is good for you!

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I want a thick black girl in my life so bad bros

There's no such thing as "getting jazz," jazz has a ton of different sounds are can be anything from plebby pop to absurdly hard-listened free jazz noise.

This. The best improvisers aren’t just playing random shit they’re making conscious choices on where to take the song in the moment.

Your dad sounds based

based retard

every single artist on here is based except steely dan

>pic unrelated
You didn't need to point that out, newfag.

>>The Beatles
>>Steely Dan
>>Leonard Cohen
>>Paul Simon
I have a problem with these.

What’s the problem?

why

im very new to jazz but charles mingus is the one i like the most for now
i recommend "mingus ah um", "the black saint and the sinner lady" and "mingus plays piano"
those are my favorites this moment
mingus plays piano is SO fucking good honestly, but as the title says its just piano so its kind of weird (in a good way)

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try Solo Monk by Thelonious Monk it's gr8

i will thanks fren

listen to ascension by johnny coltrane

just listen to bbng and that one album by herbie and then just pretend you like jazz

Cohen and Simon are great.

based dadposter

Appreciate how horns complement horns and then smoke a lot of weed. That's how it was told to me when I went to pick my friend from McNally in Minnesota when the school year was done.

*pick up my friend from McNally. The horns for horns shit wasn't a typo. Some asshole said that.

DUDE
WEED
LMAO

>Sunday at the Village Vanguard
Some tracks on this I think he would like but I think All of you and Solar would be a bit weird for him

jazz is the musical representation of in-determinism, I don't listen to jazz myself but it makes some sense. at least free jazz or improv jazz, which i think is what it aims to be. like water coursing its way down a mountain, uncertain as to which pathway to take, it will go down you just dont know where.

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jazz is also not 'true' jazz, true jazz would be closer to something like noise-core or simply chaotic and randomised sound. it would sound like the crackle of a geiger-counter or tv static. actually i am wrong, what it sounds like is the world.

the world. a jazz improv by god.

Pardon the leddit formatting.
OP I have thought about this for so long that I've come to several approaches and explanations to it so pardon my nerd-out.
Firstly, you have to understand that there are many styles of jazz out there and you probably just don't get a few popular types of it.
There is a reason as to why and if you are curious here's a blog which delves into it chromaticproduction.blogspot.com/2016/10/five-years-ago-unexpected-thing.html (I didnt make this)

Basically, people who don't "like" jazz actually can't "hear" jazz. This can be proven by the fact that if you don't enjoy many tonal styles of classical you will also not enjoy a majority of jazz, which means its not a dislike for the sound or style but rather an inability to grasp the tonal function of the genres. Our ears have an interesting way of interpreting harmonic backdrops. To enjoy most of jazz music, you need what Andrew Caem calls Encompassing Voice Perception (EVP). This means that rather than interpreting harmony as waves of moods that flow your way, you need to see harmony as an indicator of tension and resolve. Keep in mind you can't actually control this, its an involuntary part of your brain that decides whether it turns on or not but I have faith that anyone can activate this part of their brain.

Some indicators of not having EVP are:
>Bebop Jazz solos sound like random notes
>Baroque music sounds like tuning into a swarm of unrelated harmonies
>You lose track of Jazz solos and can't replay what you just heard with your mind's voice

Here is a playlist containing Jazz music that does NOT rely on EVP mainly because the tonal harmony is so conventional that it does not require a developed grasp of tension and resolve or that the music is modal. Modal music doesnt rely on EVP. However, jazz musicians who make modal music may take an approach to it with tonally-influenced soloing.
open.spotify.com/playlist/4KQ61eXD8HUPLt41VvZYly?si=uBUTa2O_T-KyT5ZmvYH8OA

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based and jazzpilled

go to a proper jazz club and have a few drinks

shut up lol

daily reminder

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is it cool that I just like the first opening chords of Giant Steps and basically drone off when the note diarrhea starts?

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it's ok, some people can only hold about 3 notes in their head at a time :)

>he can't whistle jazz solos while doing chores
step it up nigga

Same. I literally moved back to the South for this exact reason.

And people are only posting plebby pop whiteboy jazz. Yas Forums is dead.