Pop is the best genre of music. Nothing you say will change my mind, but I'd like to see you try

"Music is subjective" is a boring and wrong take.

>If something is more commercial that means it's better
Capitalist mentality at it's finest, tranny.

>danceable
That's a bad thing. "Le groovy" or feel-good music is purely entertainment noise.
>memorable
You mean simple.
>lyrics
>listening to music with lyrics
>pop artists are still pushing new boundaries
What fucking boundaries? People pushing boundaries are like Samadi and Ferneyhough not fucking pop "artists"

That's not what I'm sayiiing reeeetarrrrdddddd

What are you saying, then?

>That's a bad thing
Factually wrong. Dance is freeing. Dancing to music is more than mere entertainment. It is a form of self expression.
>Memorable means simple
Not at all, idiot.
>Listening to music with lyrics
Yeah because all music has to be barebones and communicate no literary meaning. Fucking dumbass.
Experimental pop is a thing
>inb4 it's not really experimental because I say it is

>is a boring and wrong take.
It's a boring taste, but you're a thoughtless narcissist if you think that the music you like is the best music because it has the qualities you like the most.

Exactly what I wrote. You are putting words in my mouth. Classical is boring, and most people will agree. That has nothing to do with marketability, since classical can easily be marketed. See Hans Zimmer, for example.

>You are a thoughtless narcissist
Yes, and?

>Jazz is pop too by that logic then retard.
Jazz is semi-classical.

Are you really saying Hans Zimmer is more marketable than Charli XCX or any pop star you listen to on the radio?

Also, do you really think pop lyrics are not simple and have more litrerary meaning than classical operas'?

In some cases yes, pop lyrics will outshine old ass operas with dated style and substance.
Not all pop is commercial pop either. I think you fail to realize this.

pop music is an extension of the wills of marketers.

>pop lyrics will outshine old ass operas with dated style and substance
Give me one example.

ITT: People are better off not having opinions because they are wrong, I guess

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Faggot cynic

>Yes, and?
Then my point is proven. Good day, sir.

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your definition of pop needs explaining. it almost seems like you are drawing a line all ready drawn by 'art music vs vernacular music

(dubs)
bury cool gurl

remember that Yas Forums is property of [esfores]

>old ass operas with dated style and substance
Did you really use the fact that something has been written 100 years ago as a negative argument?
What is your opinion on Apple if I may ask? Just curious if it is related.

>In some cases yes, pop lyrics will outshine old ass operas
Only if the pop music is great (Hall & Oates, for example). Besides, opera is a very, VERY acquired taste.

pop music exists because there are things to sell. before recordings it was sheet music - which had its own brand of pop, tin pan alley

Well, what do you expect? Conflicting opinions generate discussion. If we were all dancing along with hands tied, all sunshine and rainbows, conversation on given topics and justification of opinions would be pointless.

Rave is a superior art form though.
youtube.com/watch?v=iTW0WEEPiq8
>classical
gets btfo by orchestral*
youtube.com/watch?v=dcxT6RBKbcY&list=PL_1KRMi6SAPlNq3tyecHTnfRggvCfPiAL&index=9&t=0s

Apple makes user friendly appliances but locks the user out of essential options and things. Apple babies their customers. So my opinion of apple is negative.
And yes I did use that argument. Opera sounds bad. I don't know Italian so the lyrics don't even matter to me.

Complexity is not marketable. What is most marketable is what is most immediate and grotesquely obvious, which is what pop is about. It is animalistic and that's what most people will inevitably love.

>Opera sounds bad. I don't know Italian so the lyrics don't even matter to me.
Kek now I know you're trolling.

>gets btfo by orchestral*
The song you linked is not very good. Rachmaninoff is entry level in most ways but he outdoes all pop music much better than that piece.
youtube.com/watch?v=yJpJ8REjvqo

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Not all pop is marketable, grotesquely obvious, immediate, etc. All genres will have their fair share of trash, but pop is not just top 40 radio shit. It's The Beach Boys, it's Charli, it's Hall and Oates, it's much more than your narrow conception. ANIMALISTIC!!! HAH! Name one animal that listens to pop music. Animalistic holy shit. What because it is widely appealing means that it is animalistic? That's like saying symmetry is animalistic holy shit get out of your ass.

>its some boring, stereotypically "sad", and longwinded piece
LMAO like pottery. Like 90% of all classical pieces. The other 10% being chromatic garbage.

jeeze give the poplets something bite sized
youtube.com/watch?v=4QB7ugJnHgs
youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU

What a sad existence yours must be. I wouldn't wish involuntary lobotomy on my worst enemy.

Wow I just listened to all three and will never listen to these songs ever again. They are painfully boring, they try to be too dramatic, it's just not what constitutes good music.

Yeah okay dude, you would haaaate being me. Even though I objectively enjoy the music I listen to more than you enjoy the music you listen to.

Nigger it's been 3 minutes it's not possible to listen to them all.

I told you I have ADHD, what do you expect?

you might as well say IM STUPID WHAT DID YOU EXPECT

Does ADHD also make you a liar? Fuck man, I need to brush up on my psychology knowledge.

POP IS NOT A GENRE.

>Even though I objectively enjoy the music I listen to more than you enjoy the music you listen to.
man that must hit hard

Oh, you're an actual mental invalid. Ok, that makes sense.

I never pretended to be smarter than I am. The same can't be said for the classical fags that look down on other music listeners. You are the ivory tower of music.

Chilly Gonzales (whos worked with Drake, Feist and other pop artists) composed his Solo Piano album with pop audiences in mind - utilizing memorable and motifs concise structures
youtube.com/watch?v=z-UFfmkkin4
you asked us to try to convince you but you are just making excuses not to listen

My man, you're talking shit. My grandpa never went to school yet he loves Chopin and Liszt's compositions and other classical works. Pop's formulaic nature is instantly recognizable even for the musically illiterate.

Did you not read my OP?
>Nothing you say will change my mind, but I'd like to see you try

>I'm so contrarian I listen to the music that gets shilled to me
>take that you fricking obscure hipsters!
doesn't this get old?

Who are you quoting?

Since you can't hear the difference, I'll try to illustrate it with a few analogies. Think of if it like: pop is cheap fundip sugar-powder and classical is a 5-star gourmet meal. Pop is a garden flamingo sculpture and classical is the Pietà. It has to do with not only the level of craftsmanship, but also the ability to render more expression into every finer detail to create something more subtle.

Classical is like grilled chicken with no salt or pepper.
Pop has spices and side dishes.

do you seriously think people will care about that Charli album in even 15 years. its fast food

Classical is when you decide what spices to use based on all the other flavors in the dish. Pop is when you through every spice you own into it, and pour sugar and liquid cheese all over it, oh and let's add some bacon too, maybe pour chocolate sauce all over it, and now its good!

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The fact that you're being this backwards for so long and the fact that you have the [s4s] lady in your OP leads me to believe that you're baiting classical pseuds for laughs, and I respect that.
If you are being serious and you can't even enjoy music that is not ADHD even in the background, here's classical you might like.
youtube.com/watch?v=RkiiAloL6aE

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>food analogies

pop music is intentionally made to shill to people with no palette. youre like a baby who wont eat your vegetables and will grow retarded with ADHD. oh wait thats what you are

>They are painfully boring, they try to be too dramatic
>Gymnopedie No. 1
How have you guys not discovered his true motive yet? He probably didn't even click on the Embed and you're still taking him seriously.

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Maybe. People still care about Pet Sounds, Bowie, etc.
Even if classical uses more "subtleties" in it's compositions, it doesn't make it better. Not to mention subtleties aren't banned from being in a pop song. Like what are you trying to say classical has ownership of certain musical techniques? That's plain silly.
There is arguably more subtlety in a Charli song than some classical songs that are maybe a bit more straight forward.
Like I said, you exist in an ivory tower when it comes to music. You look down on people who don't listen to your "academic" snoozefests.

Since OP is such a massive faggot, this is now a classical music appreciation thread.

Is there a more beautiful instrument than the pipe organ?

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Classical is All substance, no style.
Pop has both.

>Americans start making food analogies
Every time

Not him but a lot of mediocre pop albums are still remembered to this day lol

They're all mediocre. No pop star has ever achieved true greatness.

Haha what are your criteria for "true greatness"