Let me set something straight: if you are a person who admires the works of composers like Mahler, Debussy, Wagner, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Verdi, Rimsky-Korsakov, Strauss, Strauß, Bruckner, Ravel, Saint-Saens, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Chopin, Sibelius, or any composers like these, then you are a person that enjoys having your ears tickled by emotionally manipulative “art” that is completely lacking in intellectual complexity, substance, coherency, and subtlety. You enjoy gulping down the fermented festering feces that these sacred cows have poured onto your plate and down your gullet. You enjoy settling for mediocrity disguised as creativity, you enjoy the experience of these bullshitters ejaculating directly into your face their obscene compound of smug artistic haughtiness and paradoxical cynicism. These people replaced genuine craftsmanship and honest, thoughtful expression with ungodly excess, jarring chord changes, screeching brass sections and laughably insincere pastiches of folk melodies. If this is the kind of music you champion, then no you are not an individual possessing good taste. Yes, you are a stinking pleb.
Asher Williams
tl;dr
Jonathan White
>Let me set something straight stopped reading right there
Benjamin Brooks
DIDN'T READ LOL
Hunter Young
This, fuck straight "people"
Ethan Allen
based
Samuel Wright
>filters 90% of all humanity how can one man be this based?
I find the sheer amount of classical music overwhelming sometimes All things considered, I probably listen to quite a lot of classical music, compared to the average person. Still I find the amount of classical music to be quite overwhelming sometimes. How do you feel about that?
I mean consider this, let's say you take an interest in the more productive modern bands like the Beatles. They released 14 studio albums, I would consider that a lot for most modern bands. Each one is 60 minutes, so you will have no trouble listening to all of them in a week. You can become a total Beatles nerd in a month, knowing even the more obscure songs.
Now let's compare that to one of the more productive classical composers like Haydn. Good luck with knowing everything he ever published. Just listening through 107 symfonies will take a while. Scarlatti wrote 500 piano sonatas. I mean where do you even start there? The most popular one (K380) and then just from 1 until you can't hear it anymore?
I think even if you are a total classical buff and listen to nothing else you will hardly ever listen to a significant amount of the stuff exists. How do you handle that? Are you activly searching for new things, or do you have an amount of composers and works that you like and that's it?
you don't listen to every single haydn symphony, you listen to the well known ones and then are pleasantly surprised by a lesser known ones for the rest of your life. even then if you're obsessed with haydn it's entirely possible to listen to all of them.
and it is possible to listen to all of beethoven, brahms, tchiakovsky, etc completely in not that long of time.
you probably won't be able to listen to a significant amount of stuff that exists.
Jason Hill
it has been well established that jews cannot write music unless they convert to christianity (mendelssohn).
actually, it has also been established that only christians can write music. this is because the purpose of music is glorification of god, benefit of the community and entertainment. music not written for these purposes - for money, philosophical or theoretical masturbation - becomes tainted trash. it only sounds as good as its motivation.
there is a direct correlation between atheism and shitty art. it made atheists seethe so hard that even the rotund comb over atheistic friar christopher hitchens had to admit that art was the one category where excellence could be dependent on belief in God and Jesus Christ. in other words, an atheist simply couldn't write the b minor mass unless they truly believed in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. or as i call him, "big JC". since they do not believe, they cannot be motivated.
Justin Sanders
cringe
Daniel Phillips
based
Jack Morris
Does anybody know any classical music that goes hard as fuck? Like the end of pictures at an exhibition or maybe like mars where it’s just like loud and going ham af
guys what if we take melody and just scramble it all up like you have to use all 12 notes in the scale before using another one, just fuck all that shit up, you think these dumb fucks would buy that shit? i bet
Jaxson Taylor
I'll let you in on a little secret: not everything a composer wrote is actually worth listening to.
Yeah but you'll never rest easy not having explored it all, just cause of the thought that you might be missing out on some amazimg hidden gem
Ryan Gomez
Is this what Mahler would have sounded like if he wasn't jewish?
Ethan Parker
you mean shit? yeah, probably
Logan Clark
that's true, but I guess my point is that you shouldn't feel like you have to listen to every single work just for the sake of it.
for example if you're really into haydn symphonies then go and listen to them all, but if you're not you'll be fine just listening to the important ones.
>Let me set something straight: if you are a person who admires the works of composers like Mahler, Debussy, Wagner, Brahms, Dvorak, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, Verdi, Rimsky-Korsakov, Strauss, Strauß, Bruckner, Ravel, Saint-Saens, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Chopin, Sibelius, or any composers like these, then you are a person that enjoys having your ears tickled by emotionally manipulative “art” that is completely lacking in intellectual complexity, substance, coherency, and subtlety. You enjoy gulping down the fermented festering feces that these sacred cows have poured onto your plate and down your gullet. You enjoy settling for mediocrity disguised as creativity, you enjoy the experience of these bullshitters ejaculating directly into your face their obscene compound of smug artistic haughtiness and paradoxical cynicism. These people replaced genuine craftsmanship and honest, thoughtful expression with ungodly excess, jarring chord changes, screeching brass sections and laughably insincere pastiches of folk melodies. If this is the kind of music you champion, then no you are not an individual possessing good taste. Yes, you are a stinking pleb.
I don't understand Debussy bros. I can't fucking get it. There's no anchor. It's going everywhere. It sounds like a soundtrack for a movie. It's overly descriptive and feels like he tries to stuff his "impression" down my throat. There's no place for me. It's only the composer there.
Is something wrong with my psyche's structure? I love Purcell, Bach, late Beethoven, Mahler, Wagner, Bruckner. Please help
Debussy is shit, Scriabin, Ravel, Koechlin and Messiaen are all miles better impressionists.
Hudson Robinson
something interesting i thought of recently: studying most classical music is basically just studying the music of some of the richest white assholes to have ever existed. studying classical music is almost completely a study of the music of privileged people.
for reference my i'm a classically trained organist and i'm absolutely love french baroque music. but sometimes when i study that kind of music (more particularly the secular music and not as much as the church music) i start to get distracted and i realize that this music was literally just meant for the enjoyment of the some of the richest aristocrats to ever exist. music that was created for the nobility that presided the french revolution. the music is absolutely beautiful, but it sometimes feels strange for me to enjoy it when it was literally created for the people who might've been some of the most privileged people in all of history (relative to the working class anyways.)
and of course this is something that has gotten less obvious as time has gone on, and perhaps didn't exist for a short time during the 20th century (maybe.) but with contemporary classical music that feeling just seems exaggerated considering almost no one but classical musicians can tolerate listening to contemporary classical music.
probably started developing these feelings after i started listening to the field recordings of folk musicians from the us and uk from the mid 20th century.
Is this a joke? He sounds like a 7th year piano student.
Asher Perez
kek
Jeremiah Reyes
No shit?
Do you think the majority of people 300+ years ago were getting anything more than a basic home education of haggling, house work, and maybe a specific trade?
Music was a high class subject which only wealthy merchant children, or similar status individuals could have a hope of learning. So yes, the "greats" of classical are overwhelmingly white and wealthy.
Ian Nguyen
music has also always existed as folk traditions, it's not like music has only existed with european aristocracies.
Lincoln Wright
Lmao, don't embarrass yourself, he's literally the UK's only real concert pianist of worth of this generation.
I'm not saying he's the next Gould or some shit, but he's clearly a very accomplished pianist for an 18/19 year old.
Someone else posted this in the last thread, but here is his semifinalist performance at Premio Internazionale Antonio Mormone.
does it hurt to know you'll never be anywhere near as accomplished at the piano as an 18 year old?
Isaac Clark
>field recordings of folk musicians from the us and uk from the mid 20th century. Go earlier and then outside the anglosphere. I agree that folk is more authentic and honest but sometimes classical is too. It has to do with the interpreters rather than the composer though.
>no computers and youtube today But that's a good thing, technophile bootlicker.
Brayden Morgan
I am interested in non-western folk traditions, but I don't know how to find field recordings of such music. field recordings as in recorded from some 70 year old woman in a village as opposed to a professional singer in a studio
mainly Hietor Villa-Lobos and Astor Piazzolla. And while its more orchestral than classical, I'm also really fond of Sora no Woto's soundtrack, so if anyone knows anything similar that would be great too.
