Is Imagine the most emotionally dishonest song ever made?

No, because you don't know what he was feeling when he wrote it.

Probably his balls getting stepped on by Yoko

>How is having no possessions nice?
>How is having no cosmic justice system of punishment and reward through heaven and hell “nice”?
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Everyone is different and views life and everything it has to offer differently. Do you believe there is a right and wrong way to experience life or something?

No. It deliberately tries to insert some sort of political and social commentary that is completely inept and thoughtless. Every single line in it is profoundly stupid so it would be pointless to try to tackle its entirety on an image board.

>Everyone is different and views life and everything it has to offer differently. Do you believe there is a right and wrong way to experience life or something?
how does your reply have to do with anything i said in

Well I said mumbo jumbo for a reason, it's the typical muh utopia meme. But in my opinion there's no way he thought that hard when writing this song. He essentially shat out some generic lyrics about world peace. The Beatles did it time and time again, all you need is love and all that. To think this song is different seems unrealistic to me.

It doesn't, I don't know why your post got dragged into it, that was my mistake.

It seems that Mr. Lennon does because he obviously believes that his vision of lawlessness and moral depravity should fill me with joy.

it's chill i was just asking for clarification because i couldnt put the two together

I don't think johns intention of writing this song was to try and shape the world to what is stated in the song. I think it's more of a "this is a song about how I perceive things at this point in my life."

And the song is literally called "imagine". He had a song called "give peace a chance" so if he wanted to make it a demand he would've.

john lennon beat his foreign wife and by the time he wrote imagine he was richer than every user on this board will ever be put together. he is a fucking WASTEMAN

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Very true, good point.

>How is having no cosmic justice system of punishment and reward through heaven and hell “nice”?
Are you fucking kidding me? The concept of eternal punishment is one of the most disturbing elements of Christianity. Scratch that, it's the most disturbing one. Yeah, there are other religions that assume the existence of hell, but you're most likely talking about Christianity.
No matter how evil you are, there is only so much suffering you can causein a lifetime, yet hell implies eternal suffering: how is that fair "justice" in any way?

Not to mention the fact it accomplishes nothing. It's not a system employed to make people see their mistakes and change themselves for the better, it's just mindless sadism.
Even for someone like fucking Hitler - fuck it let him burn for, I don't know, 500 years, but after that what's the point anymore?
Christians are insane.

Do people not understand that this song was written after his effective ego-death? He did fuck tons of activism. I don't even like the guy and used to be like you "haha beat wife" then I got schooled by someone and learnt the facts.

And it implies that a significant amount of Christians aren't doing nice and king things for the virtue of niceness and kindness. No, it's get eternal paradise/escape eternal torture. Now, I don't think that's why the majority of kind Christians are kind but it's why a significant portion are.

FUCKING THIS.
how do you lot not understand that it isn't a demand. Its simply a song about IMAGING A WORLD LIKE THE ONE HE SINGS ABOUT. you fucking yanks are the worst

Ego death doesn’t stop narcissism

You fuckers wouldn't understand a point if it slapped you in the face and was forced down thy throat

Where did I suggest that I interpret it as a demand?The song clearly conveys the message that if I imagined the things Mr. Lennon wants me to I would immediately see that they are totally cool and awesame. The impication that what he describes is in any way a viable implementation of a "peaceful" situation and that if I don't like it I don't want to "give peace a chance" makes it even worse.

>NOOOO YOU CAN'T FORCE ME TO FEEL BAD ABOUT THE BAD THINGS I'VE DOOONE

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It doesn't convey that message at all. It's literally just asking you to imagine it. The brotherhood of man is part of that imagining.

You didn't read what he said. He said hell should be temporary, once a person learns their lesson redemption should be granted. It's not about there being no punishment, it's about understanding that humans are prone to mistakes, some more than others.

So if I ran a person over with a car it's ok to feel bad for about a week and then I can go back to partying?

Are you the one in charge of judging what a person's punishment should be?

Hell is temporary, part of the end times is that the final battle between Satan and god happens, Satan obviously loses and hell is destroyed with him.

So you only get sent to hell until the return of Christ and the apocalypse

Look, everyone takes things in differently. A person can get absolutely terrified of a tarantula and have an anxiety attack all the while being a soldier who's killed people on the field and takes it in no problem. I'm not saying a week isn't enough time, I'm saying people process and get over things at different rates than others.

No.

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I don't care. It you can run over a person and walk it off good for you. But I'd rather not be sitting around imagining that the world was this kind of place.

fuck off ben

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You don't have to imagine it, because it's only a song written by a person who sees things differently than you, and you should be okay with that.

I’m a Christian and I haven’t thought seriously about eternity since I was like 12 and I would be surprised if others did.

What does this "emotionally dishonest" meme even mean?

People berate him and call him a hypocrite because he wrote songs about love and beat his wife. Like people aren't allowed to get angry at times. By no means do I condone physically abusing people, but people only make a big deal cause he was famous.

He also didn't do it nearly as much as others. Bob Dylan hit his wife in an argument and his threads have been blowing up since yesterday

This. The thought of ANYONE burning in hell fills me with dread, not because I like the person or think they should go unpunished, but it's HELL for ETERNITY. You must have some empathy even for the worst of people because they are still a conscious "universe" of their own and for that "universe" to be nothing but pain and torment forever and ever, that seems totally, needlessly, cruel.

Actually read the bible

You all should know that the lake of fire is a metaphor.

Lennon was a fag.

I agree but the way this is worded is the most onions thing ive read all day.

It’s also an excellent song by the meat puppets

>Like people aren't allowed to get angry at times
Getting angry easily is a sign of low intelligence, hard to respect angry people in general, but getting violently angry? You should literally be locked up

This post, holy shit. Reddit’s down the hall to the left.

>I hope someday you’ll join us

He’s clearly advocating for people to believe what he believes

imagine is a depiction of hell

You see I've seen both sides of this before. The victim female who really doesn't deserve to be treated like shit and then I've seen the instigating female who really goes out of their way to start shit, like they lack self awareness of what it means to mutually respect someone. For some people they just leave them and find someone else, others really like them so they have some middle ground where physical abuse is okay. I've seen all sorts of dysfunctional relationships before and to think all woman are innocent is ridiculous. If a guy goes up to another guy and starts talking shit about him and really trying to get a reaction, you know very well the odds of a fight starting are very high. If there's no mutual respect in a relationship, then obtuse tends to occur. We don't know how john or yoko were in their relationships, because we aren't them. So to simply judge this as John being bad is wholly ignorant. With celebrities and famous people, they only show what they want to show.

Again, I don't condone physical abuse but these things are a spectrum, there's so many factors to take into consideration why something happened the way it did. And this goes beyond john and Yoko.

He's hoping not saying you should. It's an open invitation, one you are free to accept or deny, cause it's just a song.

Violent people are contemptible regardless of gender. I do not think it matters who your target is (I guess maybe targeting children is the worst), if you have any instinct to turn to violence in any case besides defending from violence, you should be in jail

>Violent people are contemptible regardless of gender. I do not think it matters who your target is (I guess maybe targeting children is the worst), if you have any instinct to turn to violence in any case besides defending from violence, you should be in jail

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some of the most critically acclaimed artists of today spout the same bullshit

whole lot of nothing marketed as being profound

have you ever punched someone?

So do you agree or disagree, if a female engages a fight, is it okay for a male to defend themselves? Or should they just be allowed to be hurt because of her gender?

And the fact that you're so quick to want them sent to jail rather than try to solve the problem at its root says a lot about you.

If you genuinely think you need to be violent to defend yourself I don't at all think it matters what the gender of the opposer is

Now I also feel like most of the time if a women attempts violence its literally nothing and you can just walk away unscathed, but if its a serious threat, than absolutely I do not care if it is a women

Of course. Lennon was an ass and he's only deified because
a. he was in the Beatles and
b. he was murdered

Lennon and the Beatles should have made political songs when it mattered most: when they were still a band. But alas, songs about octopus gardens and silver hammers were more pressing items than the protest movements of the '60s to them.

Didn't listen to Revolution, didya?

>than absolutely I do not care if it is a women
Okay and in this scenario a woman strikes first does more than just "light damage" and in the males defence he accidentally bruises the woman and the woman get him sent to jail due to this, do you think that's okay? Shouldn't we all be responsible for our actions? Is not the female in this scenario deserving jail time as well? Do you think the likelihood of her actually getting it is high or low?

I mean I am all for solving it at the root if you have ideas, I just don't have any

It's better trying that than imprisoning someone. Things aren't always so black and white. Sometimes there's a lot of things to consider and making the right judgment at the split of a moment isn't always a viable option. Your perspective is highly biased.

>and the woman get him sent to jail due to this, do you think that's okay?
Absolutely not, why would I possibly think this is ok based on what I have already said?
> Is not the female in this scenario deserving jail time as well?
I literally just said all violent people should be jailed
>Do you think the likelihood of her actually getting it is high or low?
Very low, unfortunately I do not make the rules