So I'm making a Jazz Guidelist To Kill All Guidelists.
It's divided into 12 parts: >Part 1 - "Starter Pack - The Absolute Classics" >Part 2 - "Free Jazz" >Part 3 - "Spiritual, Post-bop and Avant-garde Jazz 101" >Part 4 - "Avant-garde in-depth" >Part 5 - "The Roots" >Part 6 - "Swing and Vocal Jazz" >Part 7 - "Bebop and the 40s" >Part 8 - "The 50s" >Part 9 - "The 60s" >Part 10 - "Extra Recommendations" >Part 11 - "Foreign Jazz" >Part X - "Experimental Endgame"
Each part presents different artists. Each part contains semi-chronologically presented essential works by these artists. Part 1 presents 4 artists. All the other parts present 9 artists each. Part 1 is fully completed. Parts 2-9 only have the artist-lists completed. Essential works are being collected as of right now. Parts 10-X are not completed yet. I'm working on completing artist-lists for parts 10-X as of right now. Currently, I'm working on completing the artist list for Part 10 - "Extra Recommendations." It's supposed to contain all the other known/noteworthy artists that I omitted in the previous parts and who by definition cannot be presented in Part 11 and Part X. I also want it to focus on the late 60s, but mainly the 70s, with some 80s. 9 artists only.
These are the artists I picked for all the previous parts:
These are the artists I picked for all the previous parts:
>Part 1 - "Starter Pack - The Absolute Classics" 1. Miles Davis. 2. Charles Mingus 3. John Coltrane 4. Ornette Coleman >Part 2 - "Free Jazz" 1. Don Cherry 2. Bill Dixon 3. Cecil Taylor 4. Albert Ayler 5. Anthony Braxton 6. Marion Brown 7. Sam Rivers 8. Archie Shepp 9. Sun Ra >Part 3 - "Spiritual, Post-bop and Avant-garde Jazz 101" 1. Pharoah Sanders 2. Alice Coltrane 3. Wayne Shorter 4. Eric Dolphy 5. Andrew Hill 6. McCoy Tyner 7. Yusef Lateef 8. Roland Kirk 9. Bill Evans >Part 4 - "Avant-garde in-depth" 1. Max Roach 2. Art Ensemble of Chicago 3. Joseph Jarman 4. Roscoe Mitchell 5. Derek Bailey 6. Evan Parker 7. Dave Holland 8. George Lewis 9. Keith Jarrett >Part 5 - "The Roots" 1. Origins of Jazz (Scott Joplin, Original Dixieland Jass Band) 2. Jelly Roll Morton 3. King Oliver 4. George Gershwin (with Paul Whiteman) 5. Bix Beiderbecke 6. Fats Waller 7. Louis Armstrong 8. Coleman Hawkins 9. Fletcher Henderson >Part 6 - "Swing and Vocal Jazz" The order of progression: 1. Benny Goodman 2. Frank Sinatra 3. Earl Hines 4. Ella Fitzgerald 5. Count Basie 6. Cab Calloway 7. Nat King Cole 8. Billie Holiday 9. Duke Ellington >Part 7 - "Bebop and the 40s" 1. Django Reinhardt 2. Dizzy Gillespie 3. Charlie Parker 4. Bud Powell 5. Thelonious Monk 6. Fats Navarro 7. Dexter Gordon 8. Sonny Stitt 9. Lester Young >Part 8 - "The 50s" 1. Sonny Rollins 2. Cannonball Adderley 3. Art Blakey 4. Lennie Tristano 5. George Russell 6. Modern Jazz Quartet 7. Horace Silver 8. Wes Montgomery 9. Jimmy Smith >Part 9 - "The 60s" 1. Lee Morgan 2. Hank Mobley 3. Larry Young 4. Nina Simone (+ Oscar Brown) 5. Freddie Hubbard 6. Grant Green 7. Jim Hall 8. Ahmad Jamal 9. Joe Henderson
Brody Williams
And here's the incomplete Part 10 (Extra Recommendations): 1. Donald Byrd 2. Herbie Hancock 3. Chick Corea 4. Jack DeJohnette 5. Sonny Sharrock 6. Noteworthy fusion bands (Mahavishnu Orchestra + Weather Report) 7. 8. 9.
Help me out guys. As I said - "It's supposed to contain all the other known/noteworthy artists that I omitted in the previous parts and who by definition cannot be presented in Part 11 and Part X. I also want it to focus on the late 60s, but mainly the 70s, with some 80s." Who do you think should I add here? Who did I omit?
Brody Lewis
Why is fucking free jazz and avant garde jazz earlier than the roots, bebop and Dixie? Why do you adopt chronology only on part 5 onwards?
Grayson Perry
Because this progression is supposed to be smooth. The starter pack offers a wide view of jazz, ranging from cool jazz, hard-bop, through modal, post-bop, fusion, avant-garde, and ending on free jazz.
So its only logical to continue with free jazz. The free jazz list on the other hand ends on Sun Ra, who is more diverse than just free jazz and could be categorized as more avant-garde than free jazz. So Part 3 continues on that style of playing, but gradually softens it, to show artists who were modal or cooler but also important. Then Part 4 begins with Max Roach, as he's softer at experimentation than the rest of the guys listed.
And then the big league names are all covered, so the list jumps back up, straight to the roots, and continues chronologically from there. For the 50s and 60s, lists other major names not listed in Parts 1-4.
Then there's the Extra Recommendations, for major names omitted in all the previous parts. Then Part 11 is reserved for Foreign Jazz, and Part X is reserved for more modern (from 70s to 00s) and experimental playing like John Zorn
Dominic Barnes
And my problem here is simply finding other major artists to fill Part 10. Sooo.. any ideas? Here:
Grouping things this way makes literally zero sense.
You do know that many of these artists had careers that spanned many decades and incorporated many different sub-genres of jazz, sometimes on the same album?
James Powell
>You do know that many of these artists had careers that spanned many decades and incorporated many different sub-genres of jazz, sometimes on the same album?
I know. My rationale here (at least for parts 5-9) is that an artist belongs to decade X if his greatest work has been accomplished in decade X
Sebastian Russell
lmao wtf is this autism
just listen to a record and look up the players and then listen to more of the players that you like. it's literally as simple as that.
Chase Wright
>just listen to a record and look up the players and then listen to more of the players that you like. it's literally as simple as that. iq89 approach that does not consider the evolution of music. its like saying >lmao why listen to albums. just find a song you like, and put it on a shuffle to find more songs like this.
Ayden Morris
imo it’s a great list. when are you planning on completing it?
Elijah Long
Jazz is based on its historical development, you start with Louie, Ellington, and Joplin to understand how later musicians worked around the cliches they established.
Aiden Rodriguez
Not really, it's meant for newbies. Literally no one discovers genres like that. What do you start discoverin rock with. The Beatles and Led Zeppelin, or Buddy Holly and the Crickets?
Christopher Sanders
dubs of truth. this thread is cringe as fuck, saged
Nolan Garcia
Then get the fuck out, dumbass
Lincoln Murphy
It does matter to understand the language of jazz you rockist, the entire genre revolves around making your own take on standards by building on the concepts of past performances, which is why Gershwin’s one of the most important jazz figures despite being a classical composer. A quick browsing of jazz standards would show you that jazz is more about reinterpretations than it is composition.
Bentley Evans
i don't understand why you would do this instead of just going chronologically from the 20s
Isaiah Hughes
>you rockist opinion discarded
Oliver Price
Because no one discovers genres from their chronological start you fucking autist. Do you start discovering rock from Buddy Holly and the Crickets? Or maybe the Beatles/Led Zeppelin/Pink Floyd/whatever?
Ryan Brown
>iq89 approach that does not consider the evolution of music. So then why doesn't your list star with Perotin, Leonin, and Machaut?
Camden Rodriguez
Also: >It does matter to understand the language of jazz Lmao, imagine being so autistic to think "omg i gotta study all the major jazz standards in their bare form before I begin to actually listen to jazz!" jesus christ, end yourself
Gabriel Stewart
this shit is gay and autistic af and it's obvious you don't know jack about jazz like where tf art tatum at, dum bitch
also >"iq89 approach that does not consider the evolution of music." >starts guidelist with avant-garde you make no sense
Juan Collins
are we just gonna not talk about the vagina face in OPs pic?
Juan Perez
>this shit is gay and autistic af and it's obvious you don't know jack about jazz >like where tf art tatum at, dum bitch
It's obvious *you* don't know jack shit about jazz, because art tatum is shit. Literally jacob collier of the 40s.
Adam Campbell
OP here.
Why are you guys discussing my list when it's still unfinished? I asked you just for one thing and one thing only: >Help me out guys. As I said - "It's supposed to contain all the other known/noteworthy artists that I omitted in the previous parts and who by definition cannot be presented in Part 11 and Part X. I also want it to focus on the late 60s, but mainly the 70s, with some 80s." >Who do you think should I add here? Who did I omit?
Jordan Robinson
you made a thread about a genre that prioritizes technical ability and then proceed to shit on an artist like art tatum for having great technical skill kys retard, you don't know jack
Josiah Cruz
>Part 2 Free Jazz Shows the flaw in your dumb list without even looking at anything else.
Eli Foster
The first part is 100 releases long, you fucking retard. And it ends on free jazz. So yes, it makes sense that Part 2 pertains to free jazz.
Provide examples for Part 10 or get the fuck outta this thread - it'll be a good riddance
art tatum's body of work bases on extremely reharmonizing simple and uncaptivating pop songs from the 20s and 30s. nothing more than that. he's literally 40s jacob collier.
Jack Phillips
Imagine spending so much time on such a retarded list whose very concept is so fundamentally flawed
It's flawed to you, but i got 16 favorites already lol
Samuel Young
>free jazz >part 2 >after a meager 100 recordings
Juan Green
>dude with minimal to no jazz knowledge attempts to do a jazz list Pretty based if you ask me
William Rogers
whatever bro, dont like it, then get the fuck out, i wont miss you
Anyone's got propositions for Part 10? also whats up with mu, yesterday this thread went much better:
Jordan Powell
Why are you assuming I have no jazz knowledge?
Angel Richardson
John Zorn
Christopher Myers
He's reserved for Part X.
Austin Lewis
it prioritizes technical ability in comparison to most other genres, dumbass and again you don't know jack and you're being a gigantic contrarian fag in the way you characterize tatum
because your list is big gay and dumb and you've only rated like 50 jazz albums according to your RYM
Carson Robinson
>and again you don't know jack and you're being a gigantic contrarian fag in the way you characterize tatum you're just spouting shit without providing any arguments. Meanwhile as for my opinions, I did. Why should I waste my time on you? >because your list is big gay and dumb and you've only rated like 50 jazz albums according to your RYM I've rated around 100 jazz albums and around 150 rock albums. Because then again, I dont have many ratings in general, because Im too lazy to find on RYM all the albums that Ive listened to
Leo Sanchez
>”you have to listen to jazz chronologically!” >”so follow my list that doesn’t go chronologically!”
I literally said that my list is SEMI-chronological you retard lmao.
Nathaniel Price
you didn't provide any arguments, shithead all you said is that he's the jacob collier of the 40s and that he only plays "uncaptivating pop songs" which is factually false and no one is forcing you to waste time on me, that is your choice lol
I decided to add 2 more names to the list (Billy Cobham and Sipiagin). I wanna add 2 more artists: 1 great modern (but not too experimental a'la Zorn) jazz musician and 1 jazz musician from the late 80s/90s who indulged in acid jazz or other interesting 80s/90s jazz amalgamation
Any picks?
Dominic King
imagine having a pussy for a mouth
I wish my gf was this way
Nicholas Roberts
Here's the list right now: 1. Donald Byrd 2. Herbie Hancock 3. Chick Corea 4. Jack DeJohnette 5. Sonny Sharrock 6. Noteworthy fusion bands (Mahavishnu Orchestra + Weather Report) 7. Billy Cobham 8. Alex Sipiagin 9.
I wanna find 2 other jazz musicians (1 great modern jazz musician + 1 great jazz musician from the 80s/90s, possibly acid jazz). Then Im gonna decide whether to include both artists (and then delete 1 from the above list) or just include 1 from the 2 proposed artists. And then I'm calling it a day.
Easton Wilson
great recs, very comprehensive but i think maybe a lil too comprehensive. maybe add a new section of modern jazz instead of lumping it together with 70s guys. what about jackie mclean? i think you should add him. as for modern guys - lage lund
Lincoln Davis
Hey OP what are your 6 favorite jazz albums from 2010 - 2019?
Brandon Diaz
can you explain all your 5 stars on your rym account? rock and jazz. just curious
Matthew Ramirez
>the number of posters is still 12 Lol. Why is this 1 dude seething so hard? Stop trying to derail my thread, jesus. I made it solely to get answers, so either provide them or get the fuck out because I'd rather get on with work (on my list) than spend here any minute later waiting for answers (without getting them)
Ethan Powell
I just want to know your 6 favorite jazz albums from 2010 - 2019
Nicholas Howard
Have none. Listened to a few, but none of them were good enough for me to even consider them "favorites"
Nolan Gonzalez
no i was just genuinely curious about his choices for 5 stars on rym. im not even much of a jazzfag. my only posts in this thread were and
For a shrewd business decision add Ryo Fukui to the list 10, thanks to the “youtubecore” phenom it’ll get fresh eyes looking at you if you put Scenery in there Same with Pete Brotzmann I was about to suggest Grant Green or Jim Hall but you have them both so I’m out of suggestions. Just put “Last Concert/Live in Africa” and “This is Not A Clarinet” for level X
Jaxson Davis
bump
Isaac Martinez
Brotzmann is reserved for Part 11
Jordan Jenkins
Pls
Matthew Cox
OP here.
Okay, I finished Part 10: 1. Jackie McLean 2. Donald Byrd 3. Herbie Hancock 4. Chick Corea 5. Jack DeJohnette 6. Notable fusion bands (Mahavishnu Orchestra + Weather Report) 7. Billy Cobham 8. Ronald Shannon Jackson 9. Sonny Sharrock (+Last Exit)
I also modified Part 11 to include not only foreign jazz, but also in general the greatest modern jazz musicians.
I also started working on Part X. Here's the progress so far: 1. Kaoru Abe 2. Henry Threadgill 3. Tim Berne 4. The Lounge Lizards 5. John Zorn 6. 7. 8. 9.
Who else should I add?
Lincoln Miller
if you added the lounge lizards you could also add Rip Rig + Panic, they made some really fun avant-jazz-funk-post punk
