So I'm making a Jazz Guidelist To Kill All Guidelists.
It's divided into 12 parts: >Part 1 - "Starter Pack - The Absolute Classics" >Part 2 - "Free Jazz" >Part 3 - "Spiritual, Post-bop and Avant-garde Jazz 101" >Part 4 - "Avant-garde in-depth" >Part 5 - "The Roots" >Part 6 - "Swing and Vocal Jazz" >Part 7 - "Bebop and the 40s" >Part 8 - "The 50s" >Part 9 - "The 60s" >Part 10 - "Extra Recommendations" >Part 11 - "Foreign Jazz" >Part X - "Experimental Endgame"
Each part presents different artists. Each part contains semi-chronologically presented essential works by these artists. Part 1 presents 4 artists. All the other parts present 9 artists each. Part 1 is fully completed. Parts 2-9 only have the artist-lists completed. Essential works are being collected as of right now. Parts 10-X are not completed yet. I'm working on completing artist-lists for parts 10-X as of right now. Currently, I'm working on completing the artist list for Part 10 - "Extra Recommendations." It's supposed to contain all the other known/noteworthy artists that I omitted in the previous parts and who by definition cannot be presented in Part 11 and Part X. I also want it to focus on the late 60s, but mainly the 70s, with some 80s. 9 artists only.
These are the artists I picked for all the previous parts:
These are the artists I picked for all the previous parts:
>Part 1 - "Starter Pack - The Absolute Classics" 1. Miles Davis. 2. Charles Mingus 3. John Coltrane 4. Ornette Coleman >Part 2 - "Free Jazz" 1. Don Cherry 2. Bill Dixon 3. Cecil Taylor 4. Albert Ayler 5. Anthony Braxton 6. Marion Brown 7. Sam Rivers 8. Archie Shepp 9. Sun Ra >Part 3 - "Spiritual, Post-bop and Avant-garde Jazz 101" 1. Pharoah Sanders 2. Alice Coltrane 3. Wayne Shorter 4. Eric Dolphy 5. Andrew Hill 6. McCoy Tyner 7. Yusef Lateef 8. Roland Kirk 9. Bill Evans >Part 4 - "Avant-garde in-depth" 1. Max Roach 2. Art Ensemble of Chicago 3. Joseph Jarman 4. Roscoe Mitchell 5. Derek Bailey 6. Evan Parker 7. Dave Holland 8. George Lewis 9. Keith Jarrett >Part 5 - "The Roots" 1. Origins of Jazz (Scott Joplin, Original Dixieland Jass Band) 2. Jelly Roll Morton 3. King Oliver 4. George Gershwin (with Paul Whiteman) 5. Bix Beiderbecke 6. Fats Waller 7. Louis Armstrong 8. Coleman Hawkins 9. Fletcher Henderson >Part 6 - "Swing and Vocal Jazz" The order of progression: 1. Benny Goodman 2. Frank Sinatra 3. Earl Hines 4. Ella Fitzgerald 5. Count Basie 6. Cab Calloway 7. Nat King Cole 8. Billie Holiday 9. Duke Ellington >Part 7 - "Bebop and the 40s" 1. Django Reinhardt 2. Dizzy Gillespie 3. Charlie Parker 4. Bud Powell 5. Thelonious Monk 6. Fats Navarro 7. Dexter Gordon 8. Sonny Stitt 9. Lester Young >Part 8 - "The 50s" 1. Sonny Rollins 2. Cannonball Adderley 3. Art Blakey 4. Lennie Tristano 5. George Russell 6. Modern Jazz Quartet 7. Horace Silver 8. Wes Montgomery 9. Jimmy Smith >Part 9 - "The 60s" 1. Lee Morgan 2. Hank Mobley 3. Larry Young 4. Nina Simone (+ Oscar Brown) 5. Freddie Hubbard 6. Grant Green 7. Jim Hall 8. Ahmad Jamal 9. Joe Henderson
Chase Bell
And here's the incomplete Part 10 (Extra Recommendations): 1. Herbie Hancock 2. Chick Corea 3. Noteworthy fusion bands (Mahavishnu Orchestra + Weather Report) 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9.
Help me out guys. As I said - "It's supposed to contain all the other known/noteworthy artists that I omitted in the previous parts and who by definition cannot be presented in Part 11 and Part X. I also want it to focus on the late 60s, but mainly the 70s, with some 80s." Who do you think should I add here? Who did I omit?
Easton Diaz
not to discourage you but there are already so many guides like that, I think you should focus on one topic or style
Dylan Miller
They are worse than mine, and less comprehensive and organized than mine.
nice list, keepin my thumbs up for you im workin on a post-rock guide myself
Cameron Moore
Thanks. So, can anyone help me out? Fucking bump.
Dylan Perry
Maybe throw in some jazz rock, like Steely Dan and Frank Zappa?
Gavin Morales
That's rock infused with jazz, not jazz infused with rock.
What I mean is, I want more people like Herbie Hancock or Chick Corea for my list. Any recs? Spanning from late 60s to the 80s?
Josiah Myers
Do you not have any Brecker Brothers?
Aaron Carter
not good/recognizable enough. I wanna lump together all top-of-the-line artists that I omitted in the previous parts. I managed to collect Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, and the wellknown fusion bands (mahavishnu orchestra, weather report) but i dont know who else to pick, who is similarly well known whom i also omitted
Noah Davis
Youre kidding right? Michael Brecker is one of the most influential saxophonist of all time. You may not like them but they are both iconic players.
Aaron Cooper
>Michael Brecker is one of the most influential saxophonist of all time For soi berklee students, maybe. Sorry, they dont deserve to be placed next to people like Chick Corea or Herbie Hancock.
got other ideas? i know i had, but i fukken forgot em.
Kayden Cooper
>For soi berklee students, maybe. Sorry, they dont deserve to be placed next to people like Chick Corea or Herbie Hancock. Why not, give me an objective reason besides your personal taste. Brecker is extremely virtuosic and has great vocabulary.
Charles Cox
bro, i understand that hes one of your favs, but im not here to argue, im just here to pick the last 6 artists that are missing from this list
Cooper Nelson
Well your list is defective because you won't include canonical players because you don't personally like them. They are some of the most iconic fusion players of all time. If you dont' want to argue for your choices (which I dont think you can - you probably dont know how to play jazz at a basic level) dont make the thread
Ryder Perry
looks good op. I'd put Peter Evans Quintet in the "experimental endgame" category. Probably the best contemporary and experimental jazz I know
dude lmao of course i dont wanna argue for my choices. this is not /jazz/ general, this is a list-making general. propose artists or get the fuck out
Ryder Gomez
I might put him in Part X - Experimental Endgame. other picks? my main struggle is to complete Part 10 now:
Brayden Gray
Then like I said, dont make the thread if you dont' want to defend the choices for your list. Your list is a priori defective for not including Brecker Brothers, prove me wrong.
Brayden Taylor
Listen bud, I will defend my choices when I complete my list, not only by collecting all the necessary artists for all the parts, but also by collecting all the necessary works for all the artists in all the parts (it will amount to over some 1000 records)
Any propositions?
Zachary Lopez
just any old extra rec? you forgot branford/wynton marsalis. Airto Moreira worth a mention IMO.
Anthony Thompson
Im undecided whether to include Wynton Marsalis or not. Any other picks?
Ok I decided on 2 more artists I forgot to include >Jack DeJohnette >Sonny Sharrock any more like this? (hope youre noticing what level of notoriety and skill im going for in the artists that i omitted but which I need rn - Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, Sonny Sharrock, Jack DeJohnette etc. - this kind of guys)
Nathaniel Harris
bump
Jeremiah Sanders
lol chill w/ the 10 minute bump
I think you and I disagree on what should be included desu, but maybe John Abercrombie? Chris Dave? Roy Hargrove? Lonnie Smith? Jeff Watts?
DeJohnette is one of my favorite players, but I feel as far as 'notoriety' goes, he doesn't get half the praise most of these guys you've mentioned do.
Carter Garcia
John Zorn Lol
Lincoln Sullivan
>free jazz before Dixieland and Bebop Terrible, disgusting list.
Andrew Richardson
I’m not a jazzfag. Why is Ornette Coleman one of the big four? He doesn’t seem as high profile as the other three
Grayson Edwards
Of course, it deserves more attention.
Juan Hall
He started a whole jazz movement (free jazz) and made some of the best albums in jazz history. Part 1 contains only artists who made the absolute best of the best albums in jazz history (for Miles that's Bitches Brew, Dark Magus, Kind of Blue//For Coltrane - Ascension, A Love Supreme//For Mingus - Black Saint and the Sinner Lady, Let My Children Hear Music//For Coleman - A Shape of Jazz to Come, Free Jazz, Science Fiction)
Levi Campbell
All the guys you listed are too modern except for Lonnie Smith and John Abercrombie
Maybe some other late70s-80s-90s recs? Maybe some acid jazz greats, if there are any? But not too funky.
Angel Moore
bump.
Daniel Young
will you include major European artists?
Brody Wood
Yes, that's reserved for Part 11 - "Foreign Jazz"
Eli Nguyen
bump
Nolan Cruz
this album really slaps, could be a good addition to "extra" or "the 60s"
modern jazz mostly sucks, but i wanna sprinkle some more modern artists from the 80s and 90s (and even 2000s and 2010s in Foreign Jazz, for Criss Cross et al.) on Part 10, Part 11 and Part X
Isaiah Richardson
>modern jazz mostly sucks cringe
Jonathan Scott
I have a lot of of stuff for foreign jazz, I listen pretty much exclusively to Latin, eastern, and bossa Honestly "foreign jazz" could have like 12 of its own subcategories...
Ethan Ward
cringe go listen to some kamasi washington you fucking soicuc.k
Ryder Howard
what about alex sipiagin and lage lund. that's some good shit
Michael Ortiz
>This list serves as *the* DEFINITE guide for getting into jazz >Listen to these 100 albums IN ORDER dude what the fuck is this. Just stick to recommendation threads and exploring on your own. Letting some "definitive list" mold your taste and library is completely taking away the point of listening to music
I agree, but what does it change that MOST of modern jazz sucks? >Letting some "definitive list" mold your taste and library is completely taking away the point of listening to music Not if its my own list, shaped to my tastes lol Also the order isnt really specific. Its just semi-chronological, which is exactly how it should be
Blake Wood
I haven't listened to most modern jazz and I assume most here haven't either. unless you're the og jtg
Justin Wilson
>unless you're the og jtg No. I will be better than him (for the public. after finishing this guide)
Brody Cook
bump
Blake Allen
Your list requires Jazz at the Pawnshop.
Christopher Jackson
Milquetoast jazz
Aaron Reyes
That should be a category to be quite honest.
Bentley Lopez
chick corea so fucking based my bro saw him live last year best performance oml
Camden Roberts
Why is Lester Young put in the bebop/40s category when all his best work was made in the swing period/1930s with Count Basie and Billie Holiday?
Xavier Cooper
Some critiques:
1. I think it'd be better if you didn't focus so much on artists but instead focused on individual album releases as to have more variety. Limiting it to just a handful of artists excludes a lot of other really important artists. Your list doesn't have Bessie Smith, Art Tatum, Sidney Bechet, Chet Baker, Gerry Mulligan, Lennie Tristano, George Russell, Jimmy Giuffre, Stan Getz, etc. and yet you have the Art Ensemble AND Jarman AND Roscoe for some reason... 2. The order makes little sense to me. You start with avant-garde then go chronologically starting with the roots. Would be better if you just expanded the starter pack and then went chronologically starting with the roots imo. 3. The "starter pack" also makes little sense. Those 4 artists are absolutely essential but why just those four? How is Ornette Coleman more essential than someone like Duke Ellington? Why is the starter pack list on RYM 100 fucking releases? I get you're trying to be comprehensive with this guide but it should also be somewhat accessible if you're making it for other people.
Adam Gomez
Part 3 should be more than one part desu, Herbie Hancock should be in two places - 60's albums somewhere in 60's/post-bop and 70's albums in some fusion/70's list that you appear to be calling "Extra" for whatever reason.
70's Mahavishnu Orchestra, Weather Report, Pat Metheny, Oregon, Keith Jarrett (just noticed he is in 'Avant-garde in depth' that he should probably get out of), Billy Cobham, George Duke, Donald Byrd, Joe Farrell
80's and 90's Bill Frisell, John Zorn, Tim Berne, Wynton Marsalis, Branford Marsalis, Michael Brecker, Henry Threadgill, David S. Ware
Jaxon Green
I feel like part 10 and X should be combined somewhat; are experimental jazz artists not included in part 2 or 3 allowed in part 10? If not I would throw in some european free jazz artists like brotzmann or parker. also maybe john zorn but he's a little late. 1. Good artist recs, include most of these (although I would keep art ensemble) 2. Crucify me, but I think the avant-garde jazz is straight up more important than the roots jazz, as well as more interesting, at least to someone getting into jazz. 3. AGREED. Way too many albums for a starter pack, and there are some albums that you need more background exposure to jazz from other artists before you can jump into the more avant-garde from the essential artists. Still love the project mate, good luck.
Adam Hall
Reccomend adding later sections, essential young lions, 90s/00s avant gardes new wave, nyc modern, shape of jazz to come (albums of the past 5 to 10 years). Also would recc reworking the order, even tho I am absolutely a free jazz head im not sure a jump straight from essentials into 3 parts in a row of the avant garde really paints an accurate picture of the form of jazz.
