At what age did you grow out of genre tourism?

No, it's listening to only the surface level, most well known albums of many different genres. It's perfectly fine to be a tourist in some genres but you should have at least one that you are more knowledgeable about if you actually are passionate about music

If you're a dilletante who listens to albums purely for the sake of checking off a list for social clout sure. You're not going to remember anything out of the album though.

Funny thing is if you look at intervews of your favourite artists/bands their tastes are quite tourist. Almost all of them will mention the beatles, along with a bunch of other big names you're bound to find on the Yas Forums essentials chart. These guys grow up listening to the same bunch of albums from a couple of artists over and over again 'till they have every single riff and lick commited to memory, not sitting around checking off a list of top most underground (and derivative) thrash bands with under 1000 scrobbles.

as a jazz student i never did

>there’s no way recognition and popularity are signs of top quality
cope

who are you quoting?

oh okay, that's cool. I guess I'm not a tourist. The mindset behind calling people tourists is kind of lame though, you can't expect your average joe to take music is serious as you do. Enjoy what you like and let simple people be simple however, when simple people pretend to be knowledgeable is when I can't overlook it.

the guy I quoted

nice strawman faggot, go back to r/eddit

Most of them will name drop popular artists in interviews because it's appropriate and usually someone is there trying to make a comparison, but I would bet most artists enjoy a lot of music beyond that of the average listener and simply aren't name-dropping every obscure artist they can think of in interviews for clout with journos.

agreed, it would be pretty lame if someone asked an artist I like or myself what my influences are and I start spouting the Yas Forums copypasta that starts with Merzbow.

>Funny thing is if you look at intervews of your favourite artists/bands their tastes are quite tourist.
That should really make you think.

the original post
>implied
that the most popular albums in a genre are not the best. this is objectively false as an album like loveless shows all too well.
>s-s-strawman
now that is reddit

How do you think these people learned to play? They sat around all day looping recordings of their favourite artists learning their songs. You think they had time to fucking around sitting on the internet all day looking for obscure underground shit? Go watch some Loudwire videos of artists talking about their favourite riffs. These are obviously not people who just listened to album like 10 tuimes before chasing more obscure names the same way social clout craving e-library hoarding faggots online are.

I find that most genres have some really strong artists and a lot of ditch water that only hard core genre fans can enjoy. It's really easy to listen to lots of songs, skip what you hate and like what you like, and experience the full range of what music has to offer.

Just a reminder that even Herbie Hancock was influenced by the Beatles. Your pretentiousness is very transparent and it's obvious you don't actually know shit about fuck.

>Jimi Hendrix, of course...

I don't doubt they enjoyed popular acts and learned from them, but you make it sound as though people didn't have access to reasonably unpopular music before the internet. A lot of musicians would be lurking around record stores religiously and come across a load of music that way which in turn would seep into their own music. Then there were indie/pirate/college radio stations that played a lot of unusual music. Granted, it isn't anything like how people consume music nowadays where they're listening to six albums a day and giving them a star rating, but a ton of musicians are music fans first and foremost and sure as shit weren't stopping at The Beatles or KISS.

Ask your random "music pro" to recall at least a couple of riffs and licks from at least half of the tracks on the last "4/5" they listened to. 99% guarantee they can't. Point is most musicians would be considered "tourist" by the poseuristic feux-elitists here.

I was totally in that music pro boat myself a few years ago until I started to feel like I had dementia trying to recall most of what I listened to, but I'm mainly saying that if they were pressed enough your average musician is probably going to surprise you with some of the music they're familiar with, more so than some Yas Forumstant neckbeard with a last.fm page running scrobbles 24/7.

Genre adventurer > genre tourist

Never because I only listen to albums that blip on my radar with disregard of its "genre".

genre hermit > all

>you can't expect your average joe to take music is serious as you do
But I can expect that everyone on a music discussion board is a serious listener

They might know a couple obscure artists because they've picked something up from the record store that isn't as popular but their attitude towards music will always have them listen to the same thing a shitload of times, which is the complete polar opposite of the genre elitist attitude which focuses primarily on volume of different music consumed. Sure every artist will have a couple of obscure names they love but not to the extent where they'll spend hours listing off unknown names. And personally I'd have much more respect for a guy who can talk about individual songs from his favourite albums, why he likes them and talk about what's going on in them, then someone who will sit around for 5 hours listing off names I may or may not have heard with his entire insight being limited to "those guys? Yeah they're cool. Pretty raw. Those other guys? Oh, they suck. Derivative and overproduced."

Honestly this desu.
There is no reason to believe that someone who has listened shallowly thirty albums cares more about music than a person who has listened carefully a single (good) album. Though I guess going through a huge amount of albums in the end is for the purpose of finding that one album that is really worth your time.

Based, redpilled. Never heard an "obscure" album that wasn't shit.

Genre hermit is honestly cringe.

This opinion is pure shit.

why? what if someone recently got into music and was on this board looking for new music? why are you gate keeping a music forum? are you having a rough week? can i help?

What's wrong with gatekeeping?

>gatekeeping
it makes you look like a child and turns people off from certain interests. overall just cringe. stop.

they are better off discussing music somewhere else, this is clearly not their place
your redditesque rhetorical question discourse is crap

Not an argument. Provide at least 3 valid, well thought out arguments as to why gatekeeping has an overall negative effect on a community. Considering the history of this place and what it's turned out to be, you have quite an uphill fight here.

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There is really no downside for turning off people that don't want to seriously discuss music from a place made for discussing music. I disagree with the genre tourism shit, but you're just a faggot.

>genre elitist attitude which focuses primarily on volume of different music consumed.
no, that's describing a genre tourist
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genre elitist attitude which focuses primarily on volume of different music within a single genre consumed is obvious what I meant. Why did you need me to clarify when you were already aware, you pedantic faggot?

To get you mad, sóyboy

ok tourist

yes mr. user, everything stinks

I can explain how a comunist brain structure leads to genre tourism, but you are not ready

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Yeah because showing up and asking the most basic dumb shit questions about something you have put zero effort into learning about doesn't make you look like a child.

Whatever you say Mr. "I listen to shit only three other people do (and they are the artist's family)"

>turns people off from certain interests
>telling people to listen to more music is bad
maybe for crybabies

Weren't you the one justifying consuming bigger volumes within a genre? Has your brain started to malfunction from all the disingenuous shitposting you're wasting your life with?

Could someone explain to me what tourism means in this context?

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Listening to an album a very low amount of times before moving on to another - generally just sightseeing them instead of actually dedicating your time to fully understanding what's going on musically.

No, I am just another guy that's trying to make you mad :^)
I just listen to the same 5 albums for a month until I feel like I know them and them look more into the artist or check out any album scaruffi gave 9/10

this is not a definition but it's been the best explanation i've read

"Think about people that spend their vacations on Mexico, India, Indonesia. You don't see them on Mexico City, Old Delhi or Yakarta, unless they are on a tourist package. Tourists prefer going to Cancun, Agra or Bali, safe spaces for tourism and hedonistic tourism where everything is fabricated to give you the "true [fill in Country blank] experience". That's basically genre tourism. It's safe spaces crumbled with niches of a certain genre that give you the feel good experience, that make you say "yeah I love Mexico it's beautiful" yet they wouldn't step in Mexico City because it scares them. "

>gEnRe ToUrIsM
I don't care how much you sperg out about it, I'm still going to primarily listen to my chemical romance, alexisonfire, motion city soundtrack, and billy talent.

Yeah sure but going into the places of mexico where they rape and kidnap people is a bad idea even for locals

ok tourist

that's not genre tourism

Based

Ah yeas. Another guy who just happened to butt in at the exact moment "that guy" decided to leave, and you also just happen to speak the exact same way "he does". Got you man.

that's the victimist, champagne socialist, europeist, malthusian brainset that makes you a tourist

>billy talent
wtf I love genre tourism now

europeanist* lol

I'm still a tourist since I'm not really "into" any specific genre I guess. There's literally nothing wrong with liking things and not wanting to deep dive into genres.

Yes. Now fuck off and listen to Kendrick Lamar or something

That's ok. Stay safe at home sweaties. Dont forget to hydrate y'all! Check on your mental health daily, peace and love :)

this is more like just music tourism

>t. lives in california or other gentile place like that
I listen to whatever the fuck I want to with disregard to such a shitty thing like "genre"