When did you guys realize that hip-hop is basically just mediocre poetry set to rhythmic loops?

When did you guys realize that hip-hop is basically just mediocre poetry set to rhythmic loops?

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it is inherent knowledge

Only shitty hip hop is this, and I actually realized the opposite of this whenever I put time into listening to the genre.

Right from the get go.

just now. you’ve changed my life user thank u

1989, I believe.
Before that, I thought "hip-hop" was something to do with the Easter Bunny.

when did you realize that duck bills look like dog faces
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I do like some hip-hop, but I don't actually consider it to be true music in the same way I would most other genres.

Around lunch

Isn't rock just mediocre poetry set to riffs?

>I don't actually consider it to be true music
How can some music be truer than others.

It either is or is not music.

When I listened to Carti and realized lyrical rap was a meme all along.

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its not really a musical genre
there are no hip hop scales or progression

"hip hop" could just sample a Beethoven work and as long as there is some dude saying black slang over it then it still counts as "hip hop"

>there are no hip hop scales or progression
That's not what makes a genre a genre you buffoon

what exactly makes a music genre then if not common scales and progression?

the fashion choices?

I wouldn't even call it "mediocre poetry," it's just rhyming lyrics. I love rap, by the way.

>what exactly makes a music genre
Musical characteristics such has instrumentation, tempo, atmosphere, theme, etc.

Scales and progressions can be applied to any genre. Furthermore, hip hop utilities scales and chord progressions as well.

>Musical characteristics such has instrumentation, tempo, atmosphere, theme, etc.

hip hop has none of this, over half of it relies on pop music for its hooks

>Scales and progressions can be applied to any genre.

not academically, theres no hip hop scales to learn at any music school

>Furthermore, hip hop utilities scales and chord progressions as well.

yeh, from other genres

>hip hop has none of this
Incorrect. Just randomly choosing trap music (a subgenre of hip hop)
>Trap music employs multilayered thin- or thick-textured monophonic drones with sometimes a melodic accompaniment expressed with synthesizers; crisp, grimy, and rhythmic snares, deep 808 kick drums, double-time, triple-time, and similarly divided hi-hats, and a cinematic and symphonic use of string, brass, woodwind, and keyboard instruments to create an energetic, hard-hitting, deep, and variant atmosphere.[5][6][7][8] These primary characteristics, the signature sound of trap music, originated from producer Shawty Redd. Trap may use a range of tempos, from 50 BPM (programmed at 100 BPM to achieve finer hi-hat subdivision) to 88 (176) BPM, but the tempo of a typical trap beat is around 70 (140) BPM.[9]
>not academically, theres no hip hop scales to learn at any music school
If that is your criteria for genre then there really aren't many genres in existence. Do you think all of Western Music is one singular genre?
>yeh, from other genres
Is collage art not art?

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>Trap is a style of hip hop music that originated in the Southern United States during the late 1990s.[2][3] The term trap refers to buildings where drugs are sold illegally. Early producers creating trap music included Lil Jon from Atlanta, Georgia, where the term originated, who along with Mannie Fresh from New Orleans and DJ Paul from Memphis, Tennessee worked with local acts in Atlanta including Dungeon Family, Outkast, Goodie Mob, and Ghetto Mafia. The genre is typified by sub-divided hi-hats,[4] heavy, sub-bass layered kick drums in the style of the Roland TR-808 drum machine, typically in half time syncopated rhythms, layered with abstract or orchestral synthesizers and an overall melancholy to dark ambience and lyrical content.[5][6]

>>Trap music employs multilayered thin- or thick-textured monophonic drones with sometimes a melodic accompaniment expressed with synthesizers; crisp, grimy, and rhythmic snares, deep 808 kick drums, double-time, triple-time, and similarly divided hi-hats, and a cinematic and symphonic use of string, brass, woodwind, and keyboard instruments to create an energetic, hard-hitting, deep, and variant atmosphere.[5][6][7][8] These primary characteristics, the signature sound of trap music, originated from producer Shawty Redd. Trap may use a range of tempos, from 50 BPM (programmed at 100 BPM to achieve finer hi-hat subdivision) to 88 (176) BPM, but the tempo of a typical trap beat is around 70 (140) BPM.[9]
>not academically, theres no hip hop scales to learn at any music school

literally describing any programmed and synthesized music
>sometimes it has meody
>sometimes it has different BPM

sad, really sad

Lil Jon isn't trap, he's crunk, what the fuck is this ignorant fucking shit?

>literally describing any programmed and synthesized music
How does that describe the music of Dalia Derbyshire?

When they repeated the same melody over and over and just changed the lyrics a bit.

This strikes me as more of a stylistic distinction rather than one of genre. That being said, the term "genre" is misused all the time in pop music discussions

>This strikes me as more of a stylistic distinction
Which can create subgenres

Mediocre poetry is an accurate description of most music lyrics

>what is a genre
A cluster of similar things

>monophonic drones bit could also melody
>different synths
>crisp, grimy, rythmic, just words
>energetic, hard hitting, deep, variant, more just words
>double time, triple time, wow only trap has timing variation

a bunch of saying nothing

Not correct. It's hard to argue this when you've neither heard Derbyshore nor trap music, huh?

you are just going by opinion in that case

>crisp
>grimy
>energetic
>hard-hitting
>deep
>variant
all meaningless and ultimately useless descriptors for a genre

>you are just going by opinion
I'm not, I quoted excerpts from a wikipedia entry that has a ton of sources. You can research if you want.
>all meaningless and ultimately useless descriptors for a genre
How do you differentiate between contemporary folk and post-punk?

>How do you differentiate between contemporary folk and post-punk?

certainly not by vague adjectives like
>one is crisp, while the other is....less crisp?
>one is hard hitting while the other is....soft-hitting? medium-hitting?
>one is deep and variant while the other is....shallow and same?

Ooops, you didn't answer the question!

Try again?

yes i did

random adjectives that can be applied to anything dont make a musical genre

I am asking you to differentiate between those two genres. I'm not asking you how not to do it.

Go ahead. And you can use all the reddit spacing you want.

i dont acknowledge "post-punk" as its own musical genre either

Why not?

since like 2003?
please state your favorite genre so i can use reductionist logic against it

yes and sound is just changes in air pressure, what kind of a retard would care about those
very high IQ thread here

What are the real genres?

because musically theres not enough distinguishing it from punk, which is already barely a musical genre.
Punk was always more about the scene and the fashion than it was about music.

>which is already barely a musical genre.
Who so?

Instrumentation - folk uses acoustic Instrumentation whereas post-punk uses electric Instrumentation

Rhythm - post-punk uses a drum-led backbeat groove while folk is more variant in its groove, potentially not using drum at all

Harmony - post-punk uses dissonance more often than folk

Vocal styling - post-punk uses unusual vocal techniques, deadpan or monotone vocal lines, or non-sung vocals, folk uses more traditionally melodic vocal lines

Song structure - post-punk might use more non-traditional structures, eschewing the verse-chorus structure, whereas folk is more likely to use the recognizable song format

These are a few trends found in each genre based on objective instrumentation and musical theory

because you only need to be able to rest a finger on a fret and change it to a different fret while someone yells unitelligable lyrics to do it.

>technical ability distinguishes genre
Not usually, no
>groove
>variant
>unusual
>deadpan
>recognizable
all meaningless and ultimately useless descriptors for a genre

>>technical ability distinguishes genre

yeh, what is technically played or programmed is what makes it be music
without execution then theres just air.

Do you think folk singers strumming cowboy chords is not music?

pretty sure that would count as music
which cords are "cowboy" ones?

>no technicality = no music
>pretty sure that would count as music
Which is it? makeup your mind
>which cords are "cowboy" ones?
Aren't you a musician? Weren't you just talking about music theory?

>>no technicality = no music

i never said this, i said punk is barely a genre. Never said it wasnt a genre or wasnt music

>Aren't you a musician? Weren't you just talking about music theory?

i just googled it, seems to be slang for open chords. Yeh i know what they are.
Yes, playing open chords is music. Multiple genres can be done with them.

So you misspoke

This.

no
you misunderstood

How so?

Explain it.

It's about how those terms are used. Variant/unusual/recognizable can refer to diatonic or non-diatonic, same with groove in the sense of odd time signatures. There's a reason 4/4 is called "common time" in sheet music, etc.

>Variant/unusual/recognizable can refer to diatonic or non-diatonic, same with groove in the sense of odd time signatures. There's a reason 4/4 is called "common time" in sheet music, etc
That all applies to hip hop--specifically trap music--as well.

>It's about how those terms are used.

and they are used extremely vague in this context.

>There's a reason 4/4 is called "common time" in sheet music, etc.

Theres also a reason that theory accounts for uncommon time. And the reason isnt "cuz of Trap music"

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there i just converted op