Does anyone here genuinely dislike Zappa?

Does anyone here genuinely dislike Zappa?

If you do, can you give me a more detailed explanation beyond “emotionally dishonest”

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Metaphysically incompetent

op, dont even go there

I don't like how his music sounds

He's a hack and a fraud.

What don’t you like about it?

How are you defining hack and how is he a fraud?

Not Zappa-esque enough

>bad sense of humor
>melodic phrasing is dull/uninspired
>never did any actually good experiments outside mothers of invention

what is your end game here exactly?

I made this exact thread 5 or 6 years ago, it was a mistake then and it's a mistake now.

Just enjoy what you enjoy man, youre being very un-based right now.

>never did any actually good experiments outside mothers of invention
He did dozens of albums with The Mothers, so I don't think you can really hold that against him.

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Post rock

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My new favorite buzzword

Zappa was an entertainer, not a musician.

>dozens

You're not helping. You think you are, but you're not.

The MOI made 11 albums. And then Frank released a handful more live albums posthumously.

He though he was some future philosopher with how unique and cool his ideas were. Just a dude with money and a platform to be heard.

Oh, look, another thread where some idiot is treating Zappa like a neckbeard treats atheism, where they think it's their mission to "convert' people.

Just stop.

I like a lot of Frank's stuff, but it is not for everyone. And if someone doesn't like it - that's cool with me, I don't care for or about 90% of the music discussed on /mu, but I don't attack or neckbeard with those that do.

It's just music. Enjoy what you like. Fuck off trying to force what you like on other people.

Me? I don't like a lot of the Mother's stuff. I like mid-career Frank. The Yellow Shark can fuck right off. Lumpy Gravy is boring to me now. And you know what? WHO FUCKING CARES.

The guy that sits next to me at work said he doesn't like Zappa's music. I think he said it was boring or hard to listen to.

Imagine hating We're Only in it for the Money lmao

nah he's right. he has a few great tunes but most of it is really not worth bothering with

he's too emotionally honest. ever since Yas Forums told me that VDC, my favorite album of all time, is emotionally dishonest, I've made a conscious effort to cut out any emotional honesty from my life, since I obviously prefer to not have any of it. that includes not listening to Zappa anymore. sorry, user

>OMG FRANK ZAPPA

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>GREAT SAVE LUONGO

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Zappa's music is awful but his records are very enjoyable. Some of my favorite albums ever.
But if you listen to Zappa for the music you're a pleb

Jew

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When Zappa is at his best he's phenomenal, but at his worst he can be quite tedious. My favourites of his are probably Over-Nite Sensation, Hot Rats, Roxy & Elsewhere, One Size Fits All and Burnt Weenie Sandwich.

Zappa has like 10 songs and all his albums are just the same songs except arranged in different orders and with some songs instead of others.
Kind of like the first Gorillaz albums.

I disagree but that’s fair
Woah, calm down buddy. I’m not trying to force anything on anyone. I just feel like a lot of people genuinely write off zappa as some novelty artist who just tries to make toilet tier humor and comedy songs. Which I feel like is a big sham. He was a pioneer, innovator and unironically a music genius. I feel like if more people actually listened and knew what he was about they would enjoy him. I know when I first found out about Frank I was like 8 and heard “Dancing Fool” on my dads dr demento record. I thought he was like another weird al. When I grew up and listened to the mothers I realized he was much much more so I’m just trying to spread the good word. He really is criminally underrated compared to his contemporaries.
I guess that’s a fair reason if you think just because a genre is old it doesn’t matter. I disagree however
His heart was a musician, he had to be an entertainer to get his music platformed

He didn’t
It often is for zoomers
What do you mean by this
Fair. He didn’t have to put out three albums of guitar solos that are dreadfully boring (if you aren’t into music theory)
Semi accurate. He has a lot of songs but he does revisit some of his staple tunes and rework a lot of his melodies thru his career. But that’s part of his patented conceptual continuity

I find him to be shallow and pedantic. He insists upon himself.

How does he insist upon himself?

>he fell for the peter griffin quote

CHROME PLATED DOOR HANDLE ZUCCHINI ALFREDO MY DEAR SUZIE CREAMCHEEZE THE PENGUINZ HOLD SPORKS TO POLAR BEARS SO COLD! XD XD

10/10

sounds more like bob dylan who you probably pretend to like

>Stop disliking what I like!

>It often is for zoomers
oh well this one is 36 years old

For the last effing time i don’t care if you like or dislike him I was just curious what the reasoning was

>Fair. He didn’t have to put out three albums of guitar solos that are dreadfully boring (if you aren’t into music theory)
The solos being interesting or not has nothing to do with theory.

Yeah, I'm thinking you just got Petered, BITCH!

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Yes, I am not particularly fond of Zappa because his music is silly and complicated in a tedious and inelegant way. I know it was a goal for Zappa to make his music humorous. Not only by his texts. His music is not humorous in the way that Mozart might be. Most of Zappa's music is not structurally impressive to me. Neither do I find it particularly beautiful. There is not much for me in Zappa's music.

It does though?

What he does with certain scales or modes, certain motifs he may build upon in a solo, your enjoyment is actually increased by understanding what’s going on. All music is nested in a music theory silly so of course it has everything to do with it

He actually never intended for his music to be comedy oriented. He always insisted that comedy is a natural facet of life and so it should be reflected in music too. His primary goal wasn’t to be funny.
And how much of his music have you actually listened to specifically if I may ask

I'm a Zappa fan, but not a fanboy. The difference is a fanboy likes everything uncritically, the fan can appreciate the artist but notice the cracks in the armor of even their favorite album.

Most non-musically trained dislike for Zappa comes down to They don't have the vocabulary to actually deconstruct him.

That's fine, for them. He's not for people who only listen to pop, to rock or rap. It's a little cliche (and being a gatekeeper) to say they don't "get it", but in Zappa' case, since most of his music is more technically impressive, he's always going to be a musicians musician.

I don't think you can really deconstruct Zappa unless you know how to read music.

>a musicians musician
I find most of the artists I like tend to be described this way whether it be comedy, music, literature. I was listening to a comedy set with my wife the other day and bitching about how the guy's second half fell of and started being cliche and she pointed out that not everyone listens to as much stand up as I do or whatever to paraphrase and I had like an AHA moment that of course most comedians can't be fucking norm, it would be like expecting every rock band to be absolute masters. I like plebby music too but it was still kind of a revelation to me.

>He actually never intended for his music to be comedy oriented. He always insisted that comedy is a natural facet of life and so it should be reflected in music too. His primary goal wasn’t to be funny.
Okay! That doesn't change my opinion though. I don't really care about what Zappa intented, I care about the music itself. The music I have heard have had a marked element of comedy.
>And how much of his music have you actually listened to specifically if I may ask
Maybe I am a bit dishonest to use phrases as "most of Zappa's music", but I have heard maybe 5-7 albums (the most famous ones) and seen film from maybe 3 concerts.

cont.

I know Zappa has like 70 albums?

A real criticism I have of him is that he actually released to much music.

Crazy right? Well to be honest there are probably a half a dozen albums that aren't even very good by his standards. He once released three albums of noise just to get out of a contract with Warner Bros.

>since most of his music is more technically impressive, he's always going to be a musicians musician.
Yes, he's a musicians musician and musicians composer, but he's neither a composers musician nor a composers composer.

No it doesnt. Music theory is just a description of how certain sounds are made within our 12 tone system. If you don’t already like his solo, knowing what’s going on won’t give you any enjoyment. Similarity, you don’t need to know what’s going on to enjoy it and having to know shouldn’t be a requirement. Also, not all music is nested in theory. There are tons of oral music traditions even in the west. Kill yourself pseud.

I just don’t care for his fans, who are ignorant and pretentious enough to think his music is worth “gatekeeping”.

Just so you know, music theory does not automatically mean the western system. There’s Japanese, Indian, aboriginal Theoretical musical systems. All music is nested in one theory or another. “Oral music traditions” are still nested in theory if you weren’t aware.

Secondly, you may be able to read a Shakespeare book and even take away the general story and theme, but you would enjoy 10x more of you had a vocabulary beyond that of an elementary schooler. Moreover it’s possible to not like a piece of music upon first listen but love it later. It’s not like you listen to something once and your opinion is set in stone, unless you’re close minded and stupid. Understand the theory adds another layer of appreciation and enjoyment to what could have previously just sounded like “noodling”

Pretty sure every fan base ever does that. In fact if you could find one who doesn’t, I’d be impressed

>three albums of noise
Actually just tracks he originally planned to use elsewhere. One of those three is actually pretty good, the other two are not worth listening to though. And he really fell off in the 80's, somewhere around The Man From Utopia.

dumb fucking animals