/gg/ - Guitar & Bass General

>i wish marshalls had less character

How do i git gut at buying used guitars? I just want to avoid buying some unplayable trash tier shit.
Btw, is rust on pickup screws a big deal?

who is this cute girl (male)

Just practice, you'll never get it exactly like the record because it's an overdub.

Consider a separate head and cab, I don't know why so many people are set on lugging around a combo.

You could even get a cheap 1x12/1x10 that you take to practice and a nicer 2x12/2x10 for gigs if the weight thing really bothers you.

I already fixed this photo in a previous thread.

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I can still see that ugly guitar

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Buddha is a better Orange

Trying to decide whether it makes more sense to learn guitar or bass. I've been playing around with making electronic music, but increasingly, I think it would be fun to play some real instruments with it. In that respect, does it make more sense to learn guitar or bass?

Guitar is my vote

>its almost like electric guitars are planks of wood with strings and pickups attached and charging as much as a top of the line smartphone for one is an obvious scam

get him
he has to know about the tonal effects of paint

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you always learn bass first to strengthen your fingers

>tfw no metal gf

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Redpill me on Gretsch. Are they underappreciated or are they just another made-in-asia brand that's not particularly different from other guitarmakers?

>tfw i bought a Gibson LP custom just before the stock market crashed

FUCK. all the blues lawyers will be trying to sell theirs off cheap

they have better QC than gibson

You should have bought a burny LP custom.

>The chad esp thot vs the virgin ltd trap

Is that really a feat?

thats it guys im getting boss katana

>saw a three humbucker Burny LP from the 80's at a vintage shop a month ago
>ran inside to lay my hands on the fucking thing
>clerk tells me someone already bought it and they'll deliver it the next day
I'll never have the luck of finding one again, fuck.

I really wanted a pink fender mustang to match my bullet strat and 80s charvel but that bitch twooba has one and /gg/ would think i got it because of her.

Should have bought a late 70s lp copy. Plays just as good as any custom shop gibson *sip*

better off getting a cheap Line6 POD and a marshall MG

zoomers are all "play authentic" and "tonewoods" but my tokai has always kicked gibson's ass

they were sold cheap back in the day but now they sell for thousands when you want a taste...gibsons sell for thousands and instantly lose $500 of their value and 70s gibson customs hardly appreciate fast enough to beat inflation

They were a big guitar maker back in the day, and made drums as well as guitars. But now all their stuff is made in Asia as Fender control making all their stuff now and sent it all to manufacture there.

why

an MIJ gretsch is as high quality as any MIA strat so i don't see how moving it to asia would kill the brand for good

maybe the plan was to just repel the boomers who wanted giant guitars with twangy pickups and effectively kill the brand that way

instruments as an investment is a boomer meme

If a guitar loses that much of its value the moment the receipt is printed it's not a very good guitar

The less it appreciates, the less good it is. If it just depreciates it was never very good at all.

The only thing keeping the second hand market alive for expensive collectors instruments are boomers. The same is true for their car collections.

would that be why my $1000 MIA strat would sell for $750-900 any day of the week but i had trouble selling my $2500 2017 LP standard for $2000 and eventually had to take $1550 because that was closer to the lowest price that last sold on reverb?

Ibanez guitars lose half of their value upon purchase.

Recent Gibsons hold their value better than basically any other brand, that is for selling a 'working' instrument that sees play and gigs.
Something like a Dean or Schecter will lose around 50% more than the Gibson when you open it, and a Kiesel will drop value so hard you will have to pay someone to take it off your hands.

Gibson LP 1958 reissues lose 1/3 - 1/2 their value on the used market.
Are they bad guitars?

They're mass produced slabs of wood, the rarity is literally the only reason the vintage guitars are valuable, there's not a single guitar produced today that will sell above the original MAP.

They're a very distinct sounding guitar. That's why they're still around.

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Reminder these guitars sold for 5K~

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Nope. Supply and demand. The more there are of something, and the fewer people that want it, the more expensive it will be.

Gibsons are fucking everywhere on the internet and very few people want them in this age of downtuning and twangy, cutting metal tones you can only get from fender scale and longer instruments. They're antithetical to modern play styles...uncomfortable to use standing, bad for tremolo use, bad for bending, strings too floppy for drop C, yeah, not many people want one. But lots of people who initially wanted one are trying to pay the bills.

Even fewer people want these because they look, sound, and feel just like the cheaper standards but the glue used for the neck is less stable and the paint rapidly ages.

*the less expensive it will be

Fenders on the other hand are in much higher demand so they're more expensive, being the american guitar for american music.

Ibanezzes are made in great numbers, GREAT numbers, and are only really useful for metal and lead because of the thin ass necks. Still the nicer MIJ ones hold their value quite well because they're harder to find.

is horse glue really bad

Titebond lasts hundreds of years and is waterproof.
Horse glue is quickly dissolved with moisture and horse glued gibson SGs often needed their necks reset.

Full fat ESP Eclipse go for £4-5 new. The Gibsons retain their value better, but ESP aren't even bad. Many brands fare worse.

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wtf i hate gibson now

ESP standards are ESP's discontinued budget line, user. They had to discontinue them because they were making people think ESPs were cheap. At least for the US market. The ESP eclipses you're thinking of are the $4000 ESP originals. The standards were below $2000.

They make the exact same guitars today as E-II.

gibson stopped using hide glue on their cheaper guitars so only retards would have to deal with it

Horizon then. These are just under 4k new.

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More like the ridiculous amount of labor involved in making anything that isn't from korea, china, or indonesia.

PT cort: robot that sprays sunbursts, processing dozens of guitars a minute
Gibson: employee that sprays sunbursts, processing one guitar a minute
PT cort: UV cured poly, few coats
Gibson: Air dried nitro, many coats

That's an ESP standard too.

reverb.com/item/32808124-esp-horizon-2013

It says "Standard" on the headstock and is only $300 or so below what it sold for new in the US. Again this same line of guitars was rebranded as E-II.

espguitars.com/products/17200-e-ii-horizon-nt-ii-stblksb?category_id=1963530-horizon-series-guitars-3

>japanese shredsticks coated in an inch of polyurethane hold their value better than handcrafted reproductions of 1959 bursts with boomer approved tone paint

based as fuck
there is hope for guitar after all

Looking at regular Gibson standards, it's hard to find one more than 20% below new price without something wrong with it (damaged, been repaired, etc), and some people are trying for something higher if the finish is discontinued and they kept it mint.

That means Gibson overprices them by 20%

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these will be $500+ cheaper in four years in that sweet spot between new guitar (20% off) and vintage, totally a golden year for gibson, etc marketing buzzwords even if they remain totally unplayed (20% off)

look at the shitty bookmatching on #2 there

Gibson autists are the worst.

>advertise my lp studio on craigslist
>email full of spergs asking every detail including serial number, year, exact name of the color, what pickups it has, if it has been modified.

Its a fucking guitar, if you like the way it looks and plays BUY IT.

Right, it's the old name for the E-II line. They both have dropped more in value on average than most Gibson Standards though, albeit E-II has always been Gibson USA tier.

There are so many Gibson fakes that they pretty much have to do that, though faking a studio is rare I would say.
The other stuff is standard to want to know before going to try it, as it's not just going to a guitar store.

>why you need a serial
Sometimes the seller doesn't know what year it is. This is important for spotting boomers asking $1k for a 1990 LP standard. Sometimes it's a counterfeit and only worth $200.
>i-if it's good buy it darnit!
yeah no, go fuck yourself old man
>why you need a serial in the form of a headstock pic
I'll give you three guesses. Or three words. Head. Stock. Repair.
>why you need the name of the color
How to spot a refinished guitar 101. Ask what color it was. And then ask what happened to it. Refinished guitars are likely to have hidden damage. On set neck guitars, that can lead to expensive playability issues.
>Why you need to know the pickups
Do I like a pair of 57 classics? Everyone fucking does. Can I find a demo of the guitar with 57 classics and write it off and avoid wasting your time if I don't? Yes. Do I like whatever set of retarded duncans you picked out? Probably not. Can I find a single demo of a "2006" (1996, now that we have the serial) blueburst (formerly wine red, probably fire/flood damaged) les paul studio with seymour duncan invaders? Hell no.
>Why you need to know the mods
Will anyone but you like them? Probably not. Are you including the original parts? Probably not. Did you damage the guitar while doing the mods, fuck up the solder joints, etc? Probably.

All this is to make sure you aren't overcharging for a beat to shit hot rodded guitar

It ONLY happens with gibsons, i've sold ESP, fender, ibanez, charvel and people just ask the condition and then decide if they want to come test it. 9/10 times the people dont even ask to plug in or even play them they just hand over the cash and leave

Nobody makes counterfeit ESPs and those bolt on planks suck from the factory anyways

Gibsons are exactly what most people want straight out of the box and when you mod them they lose value.

virgin
chad