So it seems 30-50ish times as many people as we thought had the virus, actually have it or have had it. Thus the mortality rate is conversely that much lower. Anyone else not surprised at the baseless fear mongering being proven wrong?
"Based on a representative sample of 863 adults tested early this month, researchers at the University of Southern California (USC), working in collaboration with the public health department, found that "approximately 4.1% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus." Taking into account the statistical margin of error, the results indicate that "2.8% to 5.6% of the county's adult population has antibody to the virus—which translates to approximately 221,000 to 442,000 adults in the county who have had the infection." That is 28 to 55 times higher than the tally of confirmed cases at the time of the study."
Guess it needs to be right vs left to get traction.
Eli Cruz
Don't try to explain anything to these shill ass faggots. If it's not orange man bad, they can't conceive it
Hunter Cox
Yup, no one wants real data, they want to bicker and argue. What's funny is Korea and Japan had similar studies over a month ago and everyone here ignored them.
Gavin Wright
Yeah but high risk individuals are still vulnerable so we should still fucking care about not spreading it around. So little unwanted fetuses are considered human beings but high-risk individuals, young and old, are not humans when it gets in the way of your BUSINESS??? FUCK YOU, STOP PLAYING BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE unprincipled fucking goon
Benjamin Wood
The point is MANY people already have it and have had it for some time. Shutting down the entire economy does more harm than good. It's FAR less dangerous than the mainstream media is reporting.
Lincoln Rodriguez
Hospitals are still being overwhelmed with cases, but that's nice.
Liam Scott
So you don't think people need to pay bills. Eat. Keep businesses running. You don't think tax revenue pays for the shit the country 'hands out.' Even knowing how many more people have it and how few deaths there actually are, you still want to ruin the country.
You are an enemy of America. You might as well be working for China or Russia.
Angel Hernandez
It's not like you trust scientists when they say shit about climate change
Austin Ward
Why don't you just go rob a bank since you're so ready to throw away other peoples' lives so that you can pay your bills
Dylan Fisher
>((((((((REKT))))))))
Ryan Sanchez
Are you braindead? Hospitals in multiple countries are running out of room for those that need help. You have literal hundreds of people dying every day because of the virus. Its fucking irrelevant whether the fatality rate is lower than expected, its infection rate is extremely high and it puts thousands of people on ventilators. Youre delusional if you think containing the spread is pointless.
Joshua Rodriguez
What the fuck? You don't know shit about me, you dumb fuck. You think it's all left vs right. I'm on the side of hard data. Climate change is real. This is vastly over-exaggerated in terms of danger. Data supports both positions. Eat shit.
Jayden Morgan
Nobody's talking about climate change or your red vs. blue psyop. They really need to train you shills better than just spouting unrelated bullshit.
Jonathan Diaz
This. OP and OP's defenders are using selective citation of consequence. They are not critical thinkers. /thread
Jace Nelson
in a florida county of 600,000 boomers, 7 have died. there has practically been no lock down no one is staying home people are golfing jogging biking fishing going into stores it's a meme or really fucking slow
Oliver White
Touche.
Liam Turner
This. Burn it all down. We don't need private businesses AT ALL. The more unemployment we have, the better, because we will learn jobs aren't even needed. People can stay at home and nothing will change.
Mason Brown
So you disagree with the data in the report? Where is your proof that the fatality rate is much higher? Link to a study?
Noah Miller
the leftists in this thread will call you a hatemongering racist for this
Eli Hall
Yeah man, ignore the actual new data completely. Seriously, just fucking die.
"Climate Change", is highly politicized and mostly about stripping rights, regulations and taxation, and now it's even used to promote mass illegal immigration. The last thing people that push climate change are worried about, is the environment.
You can't just be like "the fatality rate is x therefore it isn't dangerous" user is right for pointing this out to you. The fatality rate means NOTHING without us knowing the rate of infection. What if the fatality rate is far lower than we thought? That doesn't mean people aren't dying in the THOUSANDS retard...
So, how many people died of the flu this year? Dumbass, go pretend to be a scientist somewhere else
Andrew Wood
>So it seems 30-50ish times as many people as we thought had the virus
No, about the unreported cases now are estimated to be 45%-1505 based on that very study (and a few others) not 3000% to 5000% percent as you claim, not 2800% to 5500% as reason.com claims (and the USC release gives the impression of). What you're furthermore missing is that: - antibodies are not immunity - the antibodies they found are not necessarily antibodies for SARS-CoV-2 - the main reason the # of cases was so low vs the antibody study results is quite simply: the US fucked up the testing well into end of March if not April, and generally tested at a very low level, which since has changed. - The net result of the USC study is that there were a lot of unreported cases AT THAT TIME, but it does not preclude a lot of unreported death AT THAT TIME. People who had "pneumonia" or "heart failure" on their death certs instead of SARS-CoV-2 because their corpses were not properly or at all tested, either.
>Thus the mortality rate is conversely that much lower.
We do not know the mortality rate yet, just a death-while-corona rate, However, the "excess mortality" trends look like deaths almost doubled in March, meaning twice as many people died (of whatever cause) than in an average March. The likely reason for this seems to be SARS-CoV-2. This is something that was observed in many Western countries as well as some Eastern ones.
>Anyone else not surprised at the baseless fear mongering being proven wrong?
I am surprised you are such a moron yet pretend to be an expert.
Of course, I am sure you will ignore me. And any facts going against your narrative. Tho I am blaming in part the USC for their very obtuse, and almost sensationalist phrasing. Of course, morons like yourself would eat that up and spin it as they please.
Daniel Murphy
ITT: Pseudointellectuals
Jaxson Morgan
If the fatality rate is FIFTY TIMES LESS than previously reported that makes a big fucking difference. Don't pretend it doesn't. If we freak out about this, we have to freak out about more shit, like the opiod crisis, heart disease, smoking related deaths, etc. Which account for far more deaths than this.
It's hilarious that you think I'm 'playing scientist' by reporting data by actual scientists. Jesus fucking christ you people are nuts. Absolutely insane. We desperately need a civil war to cull people like you.
Connor Hernandez
This, CNN is never wrong. Don't believe science and studies. ONLY believe the media.
Matthew Myers
Just like you ignore actual numbers, I will ignore your senseless rambling.
Adam Evans
And the numbers of dead is also wrong. But its probably much higher than we've got. True mortality rate will be unknown for months to come. There is also the complications for people who don't. Die but have permanently damaged lungs.
Logan Nguyen
Unless a jew on TV tells them something, they don't care. The brainwashing is complete and absolute.
Liam Walker
So what should we be doing about a virus that's killed more than 42,000 Americans in a few weeks with no vaccine in sight?
Chase Moore
Point out where I disagreed with ANY data and I wont call you a retard, retard. The argument that precautions should be lessened because projections of fatalities are now lower than before is braindead. Hospitals have been struggling to keep up with demand for weeks now. The less precautions societies take the more cases you'll see, which means spikes in hospitalizations and fatalities.
Jordan Cooper
Yas Forums is full of geniuses compared to /sci/, post this there and watch them posture
Andrew Baker
>Reason Magazine is owned and published by the Reason Foundation, which is an American libertarian think tank founded in 1978. Its largest donors are the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation ($1,522,212) and the Sarah Scaife Foundation ($2,016,000), according to disclosures.
Even with all the things done to hinder the spread were at twenty 9/11s in confirmed deaths. How does that factor into your thoughts?
Lincoln Reed
Who fucking cares if the fatality rate is 1000 times less than what we thought? You need to slow down and use your brain properly for a moment. Does that change the fact that thousands of people have died?
I think I know where our difference is.
You think that if your chances of dying is extremely low, there is no danger.
To me, if there is a chance that I will infect someone who is at high risk, no matter what the risk is to me, I will do what I can to protect that other person.
So you are only thinking about yourself, and you cannot relate. So there is a disagreement that we cannot reconcile through argument.
Cameron Thomas
>reason.com nice completely unbiased source without obvious political agenda you got there, faggot
Luis Ortiz
Sacrifice the infected to appease Corona-chan.
Joseph Kelly
Gottem
Landon Cook
What they do every time that happens, nothing.
Blake Cooper
>To me, if there is a chance that I will infect someone who is at high risk, no matter what the risk is to me, I will do what I can to protect that other person This just doesn't compute with the Christian Party.
>Taking into account the statistical margin of error so what that's like 30% with these tests?
Charles Howard
He didn't get shit, he simply doesn't understand math and what the new numbers show the actual mortality rate to be when infected. Antibodies do not lie.
Oliver Williams
those tests are garbage though. 40% of the Abbot labs were showing positive on fake samples.
Angel Wright
>actual mortality rate to be when infected. that's not the mortality rate
Brayden Davis
It's pointless to argue. The numbers are the numbers. If 5% of a random sample has antibodies, and if it's indicative of the total population, then 1 in 20 people could have it or have had it. This means the mortality rate is far less than what was reported previously. You can try and anti-logic your way out of it all you want, but facts are facts.
Carter Rodriguez
From your article >*UPDATE: One caveat is that a rough calculation applying the Santa Clara infection fatality rate to New York City's 11,000 COVID-19 deaths would imply that essentially all of city's residents have already been infected with the coronavirus. This seems implausible.
Even the guy who wrote that piece figured out that something is wrong there.
Then he compares the estimated 0.135% mortality rate of the 2017/2018 flu season against the confirmed corona-related death rates and the estimates derived from that. That's outright comparing apples to oranges... or flu to corona. Without merit. Then it has to be said that the 0.12 - 0.2% rate was always a low estimate and has since been refuted vigorously by essentially everybody else. Serious scientists use estimated of 0.2% - 0.6%. That's 1.48x to 4x the mortality rate.
Lastly you and him seem to forget that corona is far more infectious than the flu. The bad flu season had 45M estimated infections with an estimated 0.135% mortality rate resulting in an estimated 61000 deaths. The US already has 46,500 deaths with 839,000 confirmed cases. Now let's assume that "28 to 55 higher" number was true (which it is not), that would be 23.492.000 to 46.145.000 people in the US who had corona already. Even with all the lockdown measures in place slowing the infection rate...
Experts estimate that shouldn't a vaccine or other method of containment become available, around 200 million people in the US will get infected by the end of the pandemic. 200M * 0.12% (lowest mortality estimate, bogus one) is still 240,000 deaths. Compare that to your estimated 65,000 flu death in the worst flu season in a long time. Oh right, the corona number is much higher. If we use a more likely estimate of 0.25% that number becomes close to half a million dead. Oops.
Brandon Lee
Over 180,000 people have died globally due to the virus and the number is thought to be underreported. Can you -please- not ignore THIS number? Also, there is no vaccine that is proven to work, so there's that too. Are you trying to sound stupid? Mission accomplished
