Communism doesn't work. It has never worked. It will never work. Government is control...

Why does it have to be so controlling though? Why does everything have to have regulations? Why do I need to be taxed? I can protect myself. Guns exist for a reason. I'm not for no government at all, I'm for smaller localized government.

Communism is stateless and classless. A true by the definition Communist state would have no need for leaders nor an overarching state leadership to control the means of production. Most example of communism are just horrible failures of socialist states, the closest true attempts at communism is probably the brief Makhnovia state in Ukraine from 1917-21, and maybe the Inca empire since they were a mostly cashless society where ownership of land and goods was held in the commons of the emperor.

Would that actually work with humanity though? With a system like that everyone would have to be robots. What if there are disagreements within a union? People need to be seen as individuals.

Communism is Jewish cancer that doesn't work. Capitalism and democracy are Jewish cancer that doesn't work. But at least commies are just retards that want what they think is best for the country. You dude weed lmao anarchist faggots that would sell out your people for cash and some degenerate freedumbs are the lowest of the low and the first to hang.

People want to be controlled because it sucks a big one to have to control your own life. Personal happiness is inversely correlated to the number of choices you have to make per day, and once you eliminate all of your personal choices (what to wear -> wear the same thing/wear things on a schedule, what to eat -> eat one thing a week/schedule in advance, etc.) then you either got lucky and found a job that doesn't impose choices upon you as a means of controlling your advancement, or you didn't and your life will slowly spiral out of control until you suffer a psychological break. The dream of communism/socialism/whatever else, is that it might somehow be possible to live in a world where other people don't force you to make choices, where your personal happiness can be assured by the state. Naturally, it's impossible, but it's such a powerful desire that the dream has never died out. Deep down, we all know its hopeless, and that we're destined to wither and die under the weights strapped to us since birth... but we also each want to be free.

That won't work. Trade is global. No back pedaling.

It would work because if someone didn't act they would die of starvation, communism hasn't been tried

Not really, there's a reason why hard-line socialist/aspiring communist states fail so miserably, and the only successful ones are really just heavily regulated capitalism on top of a democratic society. Every single "communist" state just ends up with a new ultra powerful bourgeoisie that controls not only the state but also the production of everything in the country, and a huge proletariat population. I think the only reason why the Incas might've been successful is their state was maybe because of it's religion, isolation and the decentralized leadership that allowed fair distribution of resources to the people.

People don't want to make there own decisions? Making your own decisions and being free directly correlate with each other. Happiness is not guaranteed, happiness is for the individual to decide for themselves.

You communist fags are wrong and you know it

It works, sorry to disappoint you but ur edgy world view about leftist politics is childish and cringe.

lol You're not special and you're not some free thinker, you're just a brainwashed contrarian.

I'm not denying that, i'm even stating why such a society doesn't work in the first place. Even the Nordic model of economics, which people for some reason call socialist, are still capitalist, and are only prosperous because of the base-work of capitalism

>most right-wing states in US has worst economic condition

That may be the case, but I've seen what socialism/communism has done to other countries and I really don't want it to happen to mine. From what I've seen, in order for communism to work, people need to be robots with no individuality. I understand if people want to unionize or whatever the fuck but why should I have too? Why should I have to be affected by that? Why should I have to share what I have?

>Literally ignore all socialist literature
>Makes post online poorly criticizing socialism
You fuckin proud of yourself for accomplishing nothing for anyone?

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I'm not saying I am. How am I a contrarian? Have I contradicted myself? If I have please tell me.

Oh yeah you're right, user. What state was it that contributes more to the national economy than any other?

Oh yeah, California. :|

>I've seen what socialism/communism has done to other countries
phh really
>people need to be robots with no individuality
found libtard
team work = no individuality only in your snowflake faggot fantasy

All I want is to understand how you people think. All I know is that every socialist country I have heard of has failed miserably. The ones standing now are imperialistic wastelands with nothing but death and control.

based as fuck

retard confirmed
bet you're also nazi wanker
but nazis are fine cuz fuck niggers amerite?

Neither capitalism or communism are going to be a utopia where everyone is happy, and if you really think so, you probably also don't realize that all politicians are corrupt and think it's only the ones you don't like. At the end of the day though history has shown that capitalism is more functional in the end, just look at quality of life in America vs in Russia throughout most of the 1900s. Or America vs Venezuela, even without their government fucking with the citizens, people would still be poor. Then again communism has its benefits too, look at any country with United healthcare vs America where you can go bankrupt from just being born with an issue you have no control over.

trade is global at this moment. In some places trade is isolated and local even in our modern age

There is a point where teamwork and individuality have to split. In a team, there has to be full cooperation, right? What if one doesn't agree or cooperate?

They get excluded and only get the bare necessities. You still get your fucking food and housing and shit, but good luck with everything nonessential.

The blue states also have some of the worst wealth inequality in the nation, they're not really much better then the red states.

Nah fuck nazis. I am very anti authoritarian. People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, no matter who they are.

Dude, trade is the driving force behind capitalism. It's backed by merchants. Good luck convincing Amazon to only trade in Minnesota.

Sounds like you're thinking of the philosophical concept of the same name. I'm referring to the real-world version. Real-world choices are horrible traps that people use to accomplish whatever shitty little plans they've got in mind. By way of example, when my boss comes in and says "user, how should we be implementing ?" that's a choice... but he's not doing me any favors by putting it on my desk. (1) He's building a paper trail so that when that project fails [as in fact it did, as I recall, we had something like 17 critical customer escalations within six hours of roll-out], the blame is on me, not on him, despite the fact that I'm not qualified to make that decision. (2) He's carefully omitting the fact that this decision should be made by the design team (which I'm not a part of), as well as the fact that actually, this choice was ALREADY made by the design team, and implemented in that manner by several other business units [this was one contributing factor for its collapse on roll-out]. (3) In putting this choice on my desk, he was both increasing my stress, and decreasing the probability that I might somehow be able to complete the project work on time. In the end, the entire project was a trap, and he wound up using it as part of his plan to have me fired, but beyond that each individual choice was specifically designed to cause some amount of deterioration in my state. In terms of philosophical choices, I'll accept that choice is at least largely equivalent to freedom. But the real world is a nasty place filled with other people, most of whom are bound to advance their own goals, and the fastest/easiest/most successful way to avoid the stigma of a project condemned to fail right from the start is to quietly push your choices off onto someone else. In the world of shifting choices, the fewer the choices you personally have to make, the better off you are.

See, but if we could socialize just a few more industries, we could theoretically improve the quality of life for millions of Americans. Hell, just socializing housing and healthcare alone could get tens of thousands of homeless and sick back to participating in our economy. The fewer people disenfranchised, the more our economy and our society grows.

+ they'll lose vote right for leeching

And George Orwell was an anti authoritarian socialist.

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capitalism needs trade but trade doesn't need capitalism

That's communism.

My problem with United health care is that everything has to be taxed to hell for healthcare that isn't that great. Canada and the UK aren't known for good public health care at all. If you get sick or injured in those countries it's better to go to a private institution.

>People should be able to do whatever the fuck they want, no matter who they are.
so you're admit to be an imbecile lib
so also being nazis and commies and oppress opposition
dear lib learn basic logic to not fuck yourself up with basic mistakes
learn basic logic

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