So after Bernie suspended his campaign this morning...

So after Bernie suspended his campaign this morning, your choices are between the hair sniffer with dementia or the adderall addict in the White House. The only way Biden beats Trump is if enough never Trumpers show up. Congratulations you nominated a centrist puppet in 2016 and failed to win so in 2020 the Dem party decided to try the same thing again. America is a joke.

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Still 100x better than trump.

Bernie or Buster here. I'm still gonna either write in Bernie or I'll stay home.
Regardless, because of this, Biden is definitely losing. We can agree that 55% - 60% of the party wanted Biden and the rest wanted Bernie. About half of them are only gonna vote for Biden. We all know that all republicans are gonna vote for trump. So guess what? 4 more years of trump

sorry but Biden is easily going to win, too many hate Trump

Unless Bernie is bidens vp pic
>In a mirror universe anyway

Quit being such a fag. I seen this shit all day

>I can’t have ice cream
>I’m so mad about it that I’ll eat dog shit in protest
You don’t really believe in what Bernie stands for, faggot.

Truth in mass quantity triggers you, huh?

Great. So can you go kill yourself now?

The adderall is also to hide dementia. So hair vs coke sniffer. Go Boomers!

No I'm saying Biden coasts to an easy win.

And trips.

>the hair sniffer with dementia or the adderall addict in the White House
You Trumpists can't even feign impartiality lol

Don't count on it
Trump only got the vote of about 28% of eligible votors and won. Even among those who did vote he got less than Hilary. Shits rigged in all sorts of ways and in all sorts of directions

Neither the red rapacious imperialist nor the blue one.
#DemExit

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Yes comrade, the government should own all property! This will work well as it always has in the past.

Deposit one shot of cheap vodka in your account, Vlad

Actually, socialism is about the PEOPLE themselves running the government, with everyone up for immediate recall. This (inter alia) goes on long enough until eventually, communism is achieved, and the government itself withers away. You should actually read Theory, not just two pages from the Manifesto.

I prefer Japanese lager, actually.

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Supreme court pick may be the only reason I turn out to vote for the old sack of shit. Even that may not be enough

who cares about that, why care about that. The problem is our democracy is a sham. The only way you fix that is by not voting en mass.

The people? You mean those who are driven to dominate people and enter into positions of power and authority so they can become the new ruling class? And who holds them accountable? Because you cannot enact communism without disarming the populace.

This. I'd rather not have the conservatives have a 7-2 majority for the rest of my life.

Just look at Wisconsin yesterday. Vote or die indeed.

I don't get it, do people really think Biden can win? Don't get me wrong, Trump winning in 2016 was just hilarious, but when he wins again in 2020 it's gonna be just sad.

He's not wrong

Not one thing trump has done has hurt the wealthy ruling class. On the contrary.
No matter how loudly they speak of universal healthcare, what do they actually care? Upon assuming office they get somebody the best health insurance in america, for life.
They can cry foul over tax cuts for the wealthy. They too are wealthy and so can we believe their words are truth or pander?
Just a game played for our amusement and detriment

>Wisconsin

But that favors dems, since more old voters will die.

no, im not him but thats not what he is talking about and i dont even like socialism

>This (inter alia) goes on long enough until eventually, communism is achieved, and the government itself withers away
You forgot the last major part of the transition: the rise of a totalitarian regime.

Biden can't string together a full sentence. He's only up there now because people are nostalgic for an Obama presidency, and think that will happen under him.

The people, being you and me. People of the working class who *actually* build the wealth of this nation through their labor, and keep it afloat therefrom. Not corporations, not billionaire 'geniuses,' and certainly not establishment types like the Clintons, Trumps, Bushes, or Bidens.

And as for disarmament, look at pic related. Socialists do not push for the disarmament of the populace, as it goes directly against what Marx (and later, Lenin) said. There weren't even any gun laws in the PRC for example, until the Deng reforms.
>well, if everyone has guns in north Korea for example, then why don't they just shoot Kim Jong Un?
Probably because they genuinely don't want to, and he doesn't hold absolute power there.

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I think people are remembering 2016 Biden, when he said he wouldn't run but people said they would rather vote for him. Now his mental decline is apparent but the democrats went full-barrel with him so this is what we have. Sucks, but is what it is.

Seems like another 4 years of Trump is what the Americans deserve. What a shit show 2020 is shaping up to be

How do you intend to confiscate all private property? Tell us your plan, Vladimir.

More likely, Florida. The positive I take from this is Joe can probably win back Pennsylvania. My biggest problem is he seems like he'd only be 1 term...then we're back to a dumb Republican in power.

Dude he's talking about people owning all means of production equally. Hence no private ownership. When has this ever worked?

Because it isn't 'totalitarian.' That itself is a scare word used by imperialist powers (which have historically been totalitarian, from monarchy to even modern day [moribund] capitalism and fascism) to discredit socialist/communist movements and governments. The Soviet Union, for example, didn't fit the 'totalitarian' image until after the Brezhnev reforms, when it switched fully from a dictatorship of the proletariat, to a dictatorship of the party. Some would argue that this was the case under Tito.

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This is such a cop out

Unfortunately we have to choose between 2 candidates who've been chosen by morons. But they're not the same. You just highlight your ignorance when you suggest they are.

And how would you break down all corporations and businesses? Deal with the stock market? Home ownership? Divvy it all up within the master party?

the clintons and israel win again

>Because it isn't 'totalitarian
But that's how it always turns out. The rest of your fantasyland ideology isn't even worth responding to.

You do know the difference between private property and personal, right? We're not coming to take your house or toothbrush.

See pic.

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I don't know much honestly, but seems the only way Biden can stand a chance is if Trump fumbles it. Even mishandling the virus situation wasn't enough to hurt his popularity.

The collective is unable to produce as efficiently which diminishes the product.

Private property is a meme.
You own nothing because you are not in the class who can actually own things.

As it were, I'm more of an anarchist than a socialist.
One of my favorite things is employee-ownership.
Cooperatives are pretty good too

>that's how it always turns out
If that were the case, then Cuba, the DPRK, Laos, Vietnam, and the PRC would have fallen by now, because people *do not* live under actual 'totalitarian regimes' for long. This is why the Nazis fell, hell it's even why the Qin only lasted 12 years.

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No you just want to steal my business that I worked for. This is why mass murder always happens when communism is enacted.

>That's actually how trump won
No, it was the forgotten middle-class and all the people hurt by years of policies that destroyed jobs and communities. Trump spoke to that. Sure, having Hillary and the DNC fuck over Bernie added to that, but that was not the major factor. Hillary paid very little attention to Michigan and Wisconsin, for example. The Rust belt beat her.

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It's hard to tell, because Biden looked dead in January. Wasn't placing in the top 3 in the primaries but now is the chosen guy. Trump hasn't changed in 4 years so he hasn't gained any new followers, just people who resent him more. Again, the biggest thing Biden has is that those blue-collar workers in the rust belt might give him a chance.

>If that were the case, then Cuba, the DPRK, Laos, Vietnam, and the PRC would have fallen by now, because people *do not* live under actual 'totalitarian regimes
1. It's dishonest to lump all of those states together.
2. They haven't collapsed because they've successfully subjugated their people. Of course that could always change.

Trump 2020! Death to the left!

'The collective' produces not only more efficiently under the socialist model (that is, does not produce a glut of product with a deficit of actual want/need leading to waste), but actually manages and stores the excess that is produced in case of emergencies. This was demonstrated in Burkina Faso for example, once the people (under Sankara) produced enough grain and millet to make famines a thing of the past.

This is actually typical in previously agrarian societies that switch to socialism, or at least social democracy.

And what business is that? Do you even own a business, let alone capital (different from money as such) that you 'earned' from the surplus value of the actual laborers?

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co-ops would disagree. they're literally what communism envisions and they work fine in capitalist societies

They are the same, save for a few issues that neither of them actually care about. placations.
They weren't chosen by morons, though. That's kind of the point I'm making. Anyone willing to actually shake the boat isn't getting the nomination. You seen it in the last election. You're seeing it now. You see it in every single primary.

1. They're socialist, even if they don't look like some utopian Marxist image an ultra or anarchist (not saying you are either) would have.
2. They haven't 'subjugated' their people, and could easily upend their leaderships if they wanted to. Kim Jong Un walks among his people without needing to be hidden behind a 5 inch thick sheet of tempered glass, and Xi actually hugs his people without needing a security detail.

You tried to 'push' Hong Kong last year, and that backfired into a fascist orgy of violence against civilians.

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>North Korea's economy is in better health than the press exerts
Lol uhhh ok. In what sense? Are people not literally starving? Do they have the same living standards as developed countries? And what about the concentration camps and extreme oppression.

Protip: if you want people to take you seriously, it's probably not a good idea to pretend NK is a good place to live

Wait so you're claiming no businesses owners actually produce anything? Ok, find out what happens when you kill or otherwise get rid of them all. But this will never happen because luckily most americans know how Russia turned out.

I could break down their differences on a point by point basis, but I'm not gonna waste my time.

You're right. They're the same. Stay woke, my friend.

Clinton. A centrist puppet?
Good god you're fucking stupid.

Well, I've got to go to work now (I'm an 'essential' worker), but it's good to see more people waking up against both the DNC and the RNC.

Together, stronger.

They don't; the workers do. Food and machinery for example would exist, even if billionaires weren't pulling the strings.
>see: Dialectical Materialism

And just for you, pic related. You know your government lies to you about *everything,* so consider that they're lying to you about the DPRK as well.

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They may be socialist, but you're painting with a broad brush.

>ven if they don't look like some utopian Marxist image
Not even close

>They haven't 'subjugated' their people
Ok, I'm done with you. You're far too ignorant to bother with

That's what I said, tard face.
They voted not-hilary. Didn't matter who it was. they were all gonna cry the same table as trump to gain your favor.

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>Well, I've got to go to work now (I'm an 'essential' worker
Pls get carona'd

>You know your government lies to you about *everything,* so consider that they're lying to you about the DPRK as well
GDP is a superficial stat. The most important question is, HOW IS THE MONEY DISTRIBUTED?

What’s about that chink the democrats celebrated as their savior some moths ago? Chang or what was his name again? He wouldn’t at least be seventysomething starting a first time presidency. Doubt that Biden will make it, too old, same as Bernie (who could have made it last time).

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I gotta wonder why you Americans never make it a fight between two decent candidates.
Last time it was between a Capitalist and a woman who's whole campaign rested on her having a vagina. And this time you stuck yourself between two nutjobs???