I'm an 18 year old atheist. AMA

I'm an 18 year old atheist. AMA.

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Do you think anyone cares? Atheists are one step below vegans on the annoying scale.

What pushed you over the edge? If you can even sum it up like that lol.

Where do you get your morals if not from God?

Do you believe that abortion up until birth is acceptable?
Do you believe that abortion is murder?
Do you believe that murder is wrong?

Not at all. Where I'm from, there's a stigma in being atheistic, and only constitutes 0.1% of our population. Not 1%. 0.1%. But this is probably because cases of atheism are under reported since Roman Catholicism is the dominant religion here. So that's a huge difference from the 3.1% that self identify as atheists in the U.S.A.
I grew up in neglect. I had plenty of times where I would fall head first to the ground. Maybe that's just my mom being careless at those times; I couldn't really tell. I did believe in Roman Catholic, but then I started to develop doubt because personally I found a lot of contradictions in what the Bible wants me to believe. Couple that with how strict the religion is enforced here, and it's no wonder why I've chosen to rebel.
Maybe this thread will change my mind. That's what I'm looking forward to.

you're 18, you know nothing

>but then I started to develop doubt because personally I found a lot of contradictions in what the Bible wants me to believe.
Such as

one step below vegans? look at this atheistfag here

Vegans will walk up to you to bitch about your burger or buying premade bread. I haven't seen an atheist go into a church to criticize people

I too abandoned Christianity around that age but a few years have passed and I now understand its value and accuracy. I too found the explanations of pastors and priests to be insufficient for my questions. We are all curious. If you come with an open mind, I will be glad to discuss all sorts of questions with you. I won't try to force anything on you. I will just explain how I think.
>why should anyone care what this user thinks?
I will just have to try to convince you of my worth

I don't think anything should change your mind user. The evidence has been debated for centuries and the contradictions have been pointed out over and over again. And yet the apologists have no good answers. For me, the nail in the coffin was when I learned a catholic first proposed the idea of the big bang theory, and when he brought his findings to the pope at the time, the pope actually offered to make it religious dogma. Religion is a joke. If god is real humans have never and will never know jack shit about it/him/her.

Damn you haven't even heard an argument yet and you're already attacking his character? Lmao.

Who gives a shit?

Exactly. Atheists and anti-theists voice their opinions when religion threatens their rights, or claims they have facts/evidence of god's existence.

As I have responded previously, I used to be Roman Catholic. I view my old Roman Catholic faith as a crutch to the philosophical pursuit that I have now. That being said, while I do agree with some stuff in the Bible, there are stuff that I deviate from. Case in point: I think gay people are okay. I think homosexuality is fine, and so are those other genders I don't really want to go in to. Trans people are gross though. Honestly.
tl;dr I follow my own dogma, and I develop through introspection and asking other people for their opinions.
Abortion is a funny topic to me because I believe it's still a form of murder. They had sex when they weren't prepared to be held responsible for the child. That was the mistake that starts this in the first place. I believe the world has truly gone perverse and is now abusing the fact that sex may not equate to pregnancy in the modern day. BUT that's besides the point. I believe that abortion harms the body and should not be promoted in our society. I would say that if you knew full well that you could not support a child, then you should not have sex. Its the simple facts. I really want to think that abortion is justifiable: because abortion supposedly violates the right of the child to life so that both the mother and child would not live in misery. That's a topic for another day.
Murder is, in most cases, wrong because it isn't legally justified, although there may be cases where you could kind of see why they were compelled to murder. Still inexcusable.

Why do atheists constantly want to debate people? Just shut up, go to work, and dont bother with religious nonsense.

Nobody gives a fuck.
You want a real red pill? Atheism isn’t a cure for not having a personality.

>Christian tries to understand how God created universe
>Bigger Christian: hey, that's a good idea.
So since you believe in an entirely naturalistic explanation for the universe, presumably the prevailing theory, inflation theory, and you observe that a Christian adopts it along with just about every other serious person, how does that prove that they are "a joke"? Could it be that God created a universe with a defined set of parameters which came into existence via inflation from an infinitely dense singularity? Is that impossible?

Oh Christ you’re never getting laid or doing anything cool for the rest of your life

What rights?

Because religion is holding back the advancement of our entire race. Imagine where we'd be right now if we could globally agree that the pursuit of science is more worthwhile and more efficient for the betterment of society. We'd most likely be a full type 1 civilization by now at LEAST if we'd agreed from the start that religion was by definition not worth thinking about in this life.

I have no idea what this comment has to do with the pope offering to make a scientific discovery dogma. If you don't see the corruption of truth in the fucking POPE offering to FORCE everyone to claim a theory as fact before any evidence was even presented, then you're part of the problem.

I dont disagree with you, but we need to let them die out naturally. These people are too resistant to change and it's not worth killing folks over theological differences. Look at the pattern. More and more people are falling back into neo paganism because of how retardedly strict judeo Christian religions are. At the very least, these neo pagans are more open to change and science

Right to free speech, right to bodily autonomy, right to love who you want to love. You know, just general things religious nutjobs like to deny their fellow humans because of their pompous, holier than thou attitude.

I don't mean we should wipe them all out. I meant imagine if the first hominid to posit the existence of god was laughed at by his social circle. Like seriously laughed away from the fire pit. I could not take anyone seriously who claimed to have knowledge of things outside this world. As by definition that is practically impossible.

You might be right. That's funny thought because people are asking me questions. What could they possibly want to know from me?
This video series on jewtube broke the straw for me: youtube.com/watch?v=BS5vid4GkEY&list=PLAC3481305829426D. I'm sorry I could not type my response because 1) I will take too long and 2) it isn't really my goal to argue the validity of religion, because I truly do admire people who could rationalize religion in their head. I understand that some cases pointed out in the video are extreme, and so it may be possible that I'm relying on straw man arguments to defend myself, but I believe that some of the points made in the video make sense.
But to give you a partial answer: the logic of prayer and predetermination and how they could somehow coexist, and the existence of other religion. Do we just dismiss their religion because they hold other beliefs that have worked equally well for them?
I'd love to. I've been trying to get a better opinion on religion. I have even thought of reading the Bible this quarantine season. Here might not be the appropriate place to do it though. I want to focus on defending atheism and why it may be appealing to someone like me.
> If god is real humans have never and will never know jack shit about it/him/her.
I disagree. Roman Catholic argues that we may be able to know god through his word. Not everything, but at least something. This is their argument. I can't disprove it so I'll leave it alone for now.
I seek knowledge. To seek the truth is to sift through the puddle of shit that waits for me. For now I could not tell apart the facts from the fiction. That's what keeps me alive.

I haven't mentioned that I'm also nihilistic. I guess I'll take this opportunity to do that.

Not all of them. This is not a debate, it's an AMA thread. Ask them if you want an answer.
I'll look forward to dying then.

> Catholic argues that we may be able to know god through his word.
I disagree. If god truly wanted us to know him through his word he would deliver it himself, and not through the minds of bronze age peasants, multiple of them throughout generations at that. Revelations are in fact the worst kind of evidence. It's just too coincidental that gods word can only be spoken through "chosen ones". If god wanted his word to be spread, why wouldn't he do it himself? Especially seeing all the doubt that doing it through humans would bring. Revelations, miracles, resurrection, none of these are exclusive to Jesus and even if they were and proven true it would only prove he had superpowers of a sort, not that he was god in any way. Look up Richard Carrier and his connections of Zoroastrianism to Judeo-Christianity. Jesus is practically a carbon copy of another fable.

because god operates in mysterious ways

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>I think gay people are okay. I think homosexuality is fine
What does that have to do with whether or not the Bible is correct or if God exists? Serious question. You could choose to believe that X is ok, but that does not mean that the Bible is incorrect on the subject of X. That isn't to say that gays should be executed for being gay. Furthermore, the whole message of the Bible is that man will choose to follow his own will contrary to God's will. The fact that people disagree with the Bible isn't an argument against the validity of the Bible.

>but the Bible says some weird shit
Yes, granted that the Bible was written primarily by man. I know that is a controversial position to take as some who favors Christian philosophy, but bear with me.
>I later discovered that the argument that I am about to make is actually consistent with the decree of Vatican II. Never knew.

Let's say God exists. He exists and everything that we know of is a product of him. Let's say he has a will. His will is well defined and does not change. Because he existed prior to man, so does his will. If it was his will to declare that "murder is wrong", and man later declares that "murder is wrong", did man create that moral declaration or did he discover it? What I'm getting at is that, if God exists, his will exists, and if his will exists, it can be independently discovered.

1/2

>Ok, so what?
I argue that any religion can discover and understand, to varying degrees of one another, the will of God. If more than one religion comes to the conclusion that "murder is wrong" consistent with the one true God's will, can only one be correct? Because religions are different, they will logically have varying degrees of understanding of God's will. Most religions become corrupted and make inaccurate claims of God's will. This is to be expected. But if a man lives a Christ-like life but doesn't know Christ by name, did he live a wrong life? I argue no. He likely knows Christ better than most Christians who fail to live Christ like lives, he just doesn't know it. Furthermore, the Christian Bible draws from the philosophy and metaphors found in other religions. Genesis' Garden of Eden comes from Mesopotamia. So does the flood. Does that mean that the philosophical elements within those stories and the description God is inaccurate? Does that mean Christianity is false? No. That means that other people can also understand the nature of God as well.

I digress. So why Christianity? Why Judaism? I believe that the Word of God, the red letters found in the Gospels, Christ's verbatim words, are the true word of God. They describe a set of revolutionary moral principles that no other man or faith reproduced independently.
>Why was he a Jew?
God determined that Judaism was the most accurate depiction of God's nature compared to other religions. But it was not perfect. This is why he came to provide a personal revelation. Judaism was imperfect. It was a religion developed by men who attempted, imperfectly, to describe the nature of God.

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For this reason, some elements of the Jewish canon are controversial and seem very man-made. That's because they are. The Song of Songs isn't the word of God. Its poetry. No one who understands scripture seriously argues that literally every word between Genesis and Revelation is literally the spoken word of God. It is INSPIRED writing, but that's different. Inspired scripture describes an author who understands to some extent the nature of God writes upon the nature of God and explains the world through that lens. It is still faulty because it was written by a man and men are imperfect.

2/2

The pope is a human being. He isn't God. That doesn't mean God does not exist.

>Right to free speech
For example...
>right to bodily autonomy
By this I assume you mean abortion. People believe that is murder.
>right to love who you want to love
No one is trying to legislate the gay away. Its impossible

There are millions of 18 year atheist in our world. What makes you special enough for an AMA?

Atheist are going to bitchin' to someone about god even if nobody cares wtf are you saying.

Atheistfags are dumb bubblethinkers and only care to look smart and build wall texts to bore the people to death.

Cool argument. I always thought that the Bible was supposed to be infallible because those that wrote the Bible are like messengers to His word. The argument was that since God inspired these men to write the Bible, then they could do no wrong in transcribing His word. I think the nature of this is still being contested as well, so nothing is really set in stone for now.
Here's an entertaining thought though: Would it be possible to find God and develop a stronger personal connection with God through atheism? Like with the argument that the kingdom of heaven gives meaning to our struggles on earth?

why do you think your generation, with your gender bs and your climate bs, will be the downfall of the united states of america?

I've been seeing a lot of shade being thrown to atheism recently. I wanted to try and make people understand why people may be compelled to enter atheism. It's not really with what makes me so special as it is more of my capacity to initiate an AMA.
Anyone could make an AMA. I thought people had their questions about atheism, and I wanted to make a thread dedicated to answering all of it. Its not a "me only" thing.
Though what does make me special is that I took the opportunity to create an AMA thread which is why we are here in this point in time.

Yeah, ol' tundyf00t. I watched every one of his videos about a decade ago. Even showed my father. I was amazed by them. I've come a long ways since then. Anyways

>But to give you a partial answer: the logic of prayer and predetermination and how they could somehow coexist, and the existence of other religion. Do we just dismiss their religion because they hold other beliefs that have worked equally well for them?
I answered the last part (other religions) in another exceptionally long post. You'll know who i am by the time you read this if you read it. I'll use an analogy here. Gravity exists. It is true. But there are competing models to explain the nature of gravity. Some of these theories are independently developed (but are inspired by the existence of gravity), but because they argue for a different cause or use different mathematics, they are not all equally accurate in their explanation of gravity. However, it reasons to say that one of these theories must be the most accurate description of gravity. It should be said that is the best model, but of course, no one can perfectly describe gravity due to the imperfectibility of human reason. Same thing goes for religion. God exists. Religions provide different explanations for that. Some are more accurate than others. Admittedly, it is harder to determine which is more accurate compared to distinguishing between gravitational models.

As for...
>the logic of prayer and predetermination and how they could somehow coexist
The universe was predetermined until the emergence of conscious life with free will.
Or Calvinist predetermination is incorrect because of free will. It is not an accurate depiction of the nature of God's universe.
Prayer? Prayer is an opportunity for the individual to reflect upon a question with his or her own consciousness. The consciousness is what distinguishes genuine life from lifeless material. If the universe is all material then consciousness is beyond this material universe

Oh shit yeah I forgot my bad.

No it doesn't mean that god doesn't exist but the fact that the pope was ready to create new dogma for even the chance of beating science to a new discovery proves that the entire religion is propaganda. How could the head of the church justify editing the holy word like that on a whim. When it's supposed to be the immutable word of god?

Cont.
Prayer isn't about wishes. A lot of people think it is. But it's not. Like I said, prayer is for self-reflection with the consciousness. You could also call consciousness "reason". Reason is what distinguishes man from beast. Reason is the creative ability of man, granted by God. Naturally, if reason is the creative essence, and God is the ultimate creator, God then must be the imbodiment of reason. If God is reason, and reason is consciousness, then consciousness is our connection with God and prayer is that line of communication. Again, it isnt for wishes.

> For example
Uhm, any islamic state?
> People BELIEVE it's murder but science has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that's it no more cruel than eating an egg for breakfast.
> No one? Again, tell that to islamic states. And not even just them, it's not likely to pass but people still try in america. They still crowd around gay rallies and parades with signs saying their lives and existence are sin and that they should die.
Religion is poison. It make morally normal people, do and say wicked things.

Go back to Yas Forums

being an atheist is just as much a religion as a catholic fyi
you are intentionally limiting your view when it comes to thinking

Im also an 18y/o atheist

Wrong. Just wrong. Atheists in fact are the least limiting as they will listen to any evidence. They are actively searching for evidence to prove god. Not actively denying any argument solely for the sake of denying it like religious folk do.

I'm not American, but I'll try to answer with the best of my capacity.
I live in the Philippines, and I could assure you that the climate has gotten hot as HELL!!! REALLY HOT!!! If you're gonna deny climate change, I'm not exactly sure what I could tell you that hasn't been said already.
But I must agree with you in the gender argument. It could (((maybe))) be justified that our society is not yet ready to achieve the liberal utopia that is the complete integration of gender politics in our society. I'll use trans people as an example again because I think trans people are in the cutting edge of sex change technology.

I'm sorry to say, but these trans people still do not completely pass all the biological requirements to "change their sex".

The technology is simply not their yet. To me, they can't even pass as legitimate members of the sex that they identify in in the sense that I could still tell apart a trans gender from a person who is GENETICALLY male or female.
I believe that they are trying too hard to achieve something that cannot be achieved yet. They are rushing in and putting society in jeopardy. It's not just my generation too: it's the millennial crowd that is more involved in affairs like this than my generation.
I could go on about my issues and skepticism with gender politics, but honestly, this is the best answer I could provide.

I know I've just been honking my own horn in this response, so if you want me to elaborate on the points I made here, feel free to ask.

have you considered philosophical aspects of certain religious values?