Are you religious, Yas Forums?

Bruh I'm Catholic too.

Buddhism has a supernatural belief in reincarnation.

Except that the Romans were excellent record keepers, and they did record Jesus's crucifixion and burial. And that New Testament writings were used to find his tomb, which was found to be empty. That entire paragraph is invalid.

Yes, but it's not governed by an almighty being and is dictated by how you live. There is no confessing your sins or being forgiven. If you're a shit person then your next life will be shit, period

Kind of. I don't go to church or say grace, but I was raised with Christian values and find myself praying when things in life get really bad. I also think that somehow some god is real, just not sure if it's the one I pray to.

And morals based on "dont do bad thing because people no like" is utter garbage. What if a society allowed the exploitation of women, for example, this wouldn't be immoral, because these women don't disagree with it, and they go along with it. Your logic is flawed.

history.com/news/was-jesus-real-historical-evidence

"The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, who according to Ehrman “is far and away our best source of information about first-century Palestine,” twice mentions Jesus in Jewish Antiquities, his massive 20-volume history of the Jewish people that was written around 93 A.D."

The first time anyone wrote anything about Jesus was in 93 AD.

I should also mention there is no sole scripture people have to go by, or some ultimatum you have to adhere to. You don't have to, for example, declare your faith to an unknown entity and be promised the gates of heaven if you live how they want you to live. The closest thing we have to a bible would be the teachings of the Buddha and his disciples, which is made very clear you do not have to read or listen to. There is also zero guarantee you'll be promoted to the demi-god realm or achieve enlightenment by following scripture, meditation, or the Precepts (buddhist 10 commandments basically). They are merely recommendations

Next life? Nice one bro.

There's only one moral principle that is logically consistent. Initiation of force is wrong. If I go beat people up it's wrong. If I steal people's things it's wrong. It's really straightforward.

No matter who says it, or where they are in the world, there will always be the one "woke" dude who knows, so confidently, that everyone else is a sheep but he is the lion.. The man who must touch the paint to believe that it is wet.

I grew up nonreligious, and rather, raised to hate it as my family was sexually abused by priests. I would say that I'm now the most religious person in my immediate friend group and family and that's a strange place to find myself in. I have read most all of the holy books, practiced ritual, theory, studying, attending gatherings, immersing myself in the communities. There is a lot to love when you begin to understand how it all connects. No one religion speaks of anything unique to itself - they all point back to a central root of the Human experience. At the surface, we see this obviously in key-terms such as Love, Light, Compassion, God, etc. Point to any faith, and you find iterations of these principles, and more.

I honestly feel bad for people who hate religion in the same way that I used to hate it, and I completely understand why people hate it. Buried in human bias and garbage, every single faith is touched by the poison of Man - by ideals, by propoganda. If you're not willingly to wade through that mud, then yes, religion is disgusting; a machine for manipulation and killing. If you're not willing to see why and how it became this way, then you are wasting your time and should continue to hate it as you do, and as so many others do.

personally, I'm glad I took the time to learn and to understand. I would never go back. Faith, similarly to a mage who throws fire from his hands, is a pleasant experience. It is whimsical, profound, thoughtful, even funny, at times. I feel connected in a way that I wasn't before, and it's not to any God or doctrine, but simply more connected to my human spirit, my roots, the vast and overwhelming majority of our history.

If you would only take the time.

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Bruh just google Historical Jesus, he did exist, and most scholars of antiquity did agree that he did exist.

It's a practice, like archery - there's no God to worship and no doctrine to adhere to - they invite whoever wishes to learn, and whoever wishes to go

I fuckin love Buddhism. Definitely my favorite of all the faith I've explored.

Hindu Buddhism, yes, and sects of Shinto

No. Apatheism is the way to go. The question does God exist does not matter because it cannot be proven either way. After that all religions have decent moral systems but as we all know shit gets stupid and antiquated quick, so secular humanism mostly solves that.

Buddhism my man, learn it as a philosophy, not as a religion, and you'll be golden

I dont believe. No particular reason. Too many.

It's highly likely he existed. But we don't know for certain he did. That's all. As far as miracles go, what's more likely? Magic stuff used to happen but doesn't anymore. Or people made up stories and folktales, the same way nearly every other culture in the world came up with stories and folktales?

Meh, Paul's letters were written in the 50's AD. If you're talking about historical non-religious documentation, sure, but Josephus pretty much just verifies that Jesus was a real dude.

Also, I literally googled first writings about Jesus, and that was the top link.

Why don't you believe in the supernatural?

Why can't they have a rational world view and what do you mean by that?

Religions don't necessarily make people feel good. Take Christians for example. A lot of the time, they have a daily battle to avoid sin. In a lot of places, they are tortured and persecuted for their faith.

There are no bones of Jesus because he was assumed into heaven.

Yeah, that's the same, if not a very similar, view of Jordan Peterson. When asked about whether or not he believes in God, he states he acts as though does believe in God. He's also very into the symbolism of Christianity. But although it's very interesting to look at the symbolic nature of faiths, it's very reductionist.

We absolutely do know Jesus existed. If you refuse to believe Jesus existed you have to stop believing in untold amounts of history which is ultimately not rational.

You could say that all religions are folktales but again it's very reductionist.

That's maybe only true for somebody's subjective view of morality but if that's the case what makes that right or wrong? For example, if you have some property that I want, so I kill you and take it, what's wrong with that? You might find that morally wrong, but why should I? I now have the thing that I want.

My nigga, do you have a kik?

Yeah that's kindof the whole idea man, you just named two of the main five "rules" we are suggested to live by

This is just a bunch of wishy washy rambling nonsense. Believing in something without evidence is illogical. It doesn't matter how you feel about it. It's still not logical.

Cool. Doesn't mean it's real, or the supernatural matters, or it's worth caring about in any way.

Keep the faith my man, do you have a kik?

I have been studying Buddhism for 7 years ^^ I haven't owned a bed for 3 years now as I do Sadhana. I try to regularly practice, and what it's given to my life is... a lot lol. Just a lot.
Where did you get your beliefs, user? There is no logic in faith, or in paradox.

If you have the time, I would like you to watch the video of Quan Duc burning himself alive in protest. If you were to burn yourself alive, what would you do? Scream, run, same as I.

Quan Duc sits peacefully, smiling as he burns. I find it exceedingly difficult to put logic to this document event. It's one of the major things that made me start to question my incessant "knowing"

Only when you know that you don't know, can you begin to know.

I wish these threads could be actually discussed without stuff like this

>Why don't you believe in the supernatural?
The definition of the word supernatural
>Why can't they have a rational world view and what do you mean by that?
All religions are illogical
>We absolutely do know Jesus existed. If you refuse to believe Jesus existed you have to stop believing in untold amounts of history which is ultimately not rational.
That's just not true. There's no direct evidence from the time he lived. If you don't know what direct evidence means google it. It's a legal/ accounting standard of evidence, and is pretty useful for determining if events occurred.
>That's maybe only true for somebody's subjective view of morality but if that's the case what makes that right or wrong? For example, if you have some property that I want, so I kill you and take it, what's wrong with that? You might find that morally wrong, but why should I? I now have the thing that I want.

Try reading what I wrote. If you believe it's okay to violate other's autonomy and self-ownership, then you believe it's okay for them to do the same to you. There's no coherent moral system that starts with it's okay for people to murder me.

That sounds like a dumb thing to do.

That's what I like about it, is that you don't Have to believe the supernatural side of it and there is no concrete way to practice it. It's not other religions, where you have to believe in flying horses and talking snakes or else you're unfaithful and are going to hell. It is absolutely worth caring about though, in it's most basic form you just need to not be a dickhead to the people or world around you and your life will be better for it. If you don't think that's a good way to live, then that's your problem you know

Nah, but I'm a pretty recent convert. I'm not even baptized yet, my family was never really religious, so I'm gonna get baptized whenever my church is back up and all that. Y'know, Coronavirus and all.

>tfw you die non-baptized

The non-aggression principle is a negative statement. It doesn't say what's good, or how to get along better in society. There's a lot of good examples but none has a specific or clear authority over the others:

>Aristotle's "the good life" was a strong start
>Tons of religions and faith based guidance systems
>The golden rule treat others the way they want to be treated
>Ayn Rand Objectivism (rational self-interest)
>Maslow's positive psychology (hierarchy of needs and self-actualization)

All of those probably have something to contribute toward "not be a dickhead"

Yes, I'm religious, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ. I was raised by atheist parents and only recently converted. Christ is a pretty cool guy, eh overcomes death and hell and doesn't afraid of anything.

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Atheist

If you're attached to your body and the material world, sure. But that's kinda why he is smiling instead of screaming - He knows what we don't. I am only beginning to understand what he knows, and I've been in this track for a while now. A part of me absolutely needs to understand how a human can simple say 'Ah yes, this fire is burning me alive, isn't it?' And smile.

If you guys have logic for this, I would love to hear it. I still haven't found any. Logic is great, but we have to understand that logic, just like our perspective, is limited by - shocker here - our perspective

What is logical to one is not logical to another. To call illogics is to call opinion, unless we're discussing basic I/O or stuff like that. Even mathematics isn't 100% logistical, there are parts of math which entwine with spirit, as many many of our scientific forefathers observed

Pagan here, i considered myself Christian until i became more familiar with the contents of the bible. I refuse to follow a god that refers to my gentile birth as unclean and my personage as that of a lowly dog. Eg if he has no use for non jews then fuck em

Oof

Clearly, there are Demons in the world, so there must be A God that keeps them in check

Acts 13:45-46
>Basically, fuck the Jews, God's gonna roll with the Gentiles

>If you're attached to your body and the material world, sure. But that's kinda why he is smiling instead of screaming - He knows what we don't. I am only beginning to understand what he knows, and I've been in this track for a while now. A part of me absolutely needs to understand how a human can simple say 'Ah yes, this fire is burning me alive, isn't it?' And smile.
People do illogical and irrational things all the time. That doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't be logical.

>If you guys have logic for this, I would love to hear it. I still haven't found any. Logic is great, but we have to understand that logic, just like our perspective, is limited by - shocker here - our perspective
There are lots of things we can't perceive. But that doesn't mean you can or should assume they're there. Read into agnosticism a little and understand what that word actually means.
>What is logical to one is not logical to another. To call illogics is to call opinion, unless we're discussing basic I/O or stuff like that. Even mathematics isn't 100% logistical, there are parts of math which entwine with spirit, as many many of our scientific forefathers observed
I'd love to see the mathematical formula for spirit. Can you write it down for me?

I need to read that damn book again. I hate being in fog with my own points.

I would recommend speaking with a priest, or even just a pastor. They can answer a lot, if not all of your questions. The Bible can still suprise even the oldest christians. (It is a big book.) God bless, man. Good luck on your search.

I don't follow a specific religion, but I do feel like there are legitimate rules to how you should behave. I believe a combination of natural law and human evolution requires it. Religion is our attempt to codify those rules using our intellect.

I admire Christianity's emphasis on the truthful spoken word as the salvation of mankind.

I admire Buddhism's instructions for "mental defragging" at the end of every day through meditation.

Most religions have a point somewhere, but I don't think we've fully discovered every rule we ought to live by. But some rules are better than none. I'm definitely less suspicious of someone who believes in a moral ideal than someone who doesn't.

I look at religious stories as a bunch of brilliant minds scratching the surface of a hidden truth we can't possibly describe fully with our shitty ape language. Most of it was realized through psychedelics, which are a tuning fork for the mind.

Some psychedelics, i will agree with that.
Others.....well...

Okay, but without the authority of bishops and prophets, how are stubborn ornery men supposed to learn?

youtube.com/watch?v=55h1FO8V_3w

>The definition of the word supernatural
Couldn't elaborate could you?
>All religions are illogical
Why do you think people believe in them then?
>No direct evidence
Are you ready to stop believing in history then? And what do you think about all the early church martyrs that died for their faith that had been passed down from the apostles who themselves died for the faith?
>If you believe it's okay to violate other's autonomy and self-ownership, then you believe it's okay for them to do the same to you
Try speaking to a serial rapist or killer lmao.

My man, similar story. I had family a few generations back that were Catholic but my fam sort of just dropped it which is a massive shame. Got baptised and confirmed on Easter 2018. If you have any way to talk off Yas Forums I'll be happy to answer any questions for leading to baptism. If not, hope you get baptised and confirmed asap man, this virus is a massive cunt. Just don't listen/stay away from Sedevacantism, anybody that could lead you sedes, prots and orthos by doubting the church and the pope or at least learn why they are wrong and you are right and stay tradcath man. Classical Theist on twitter is brilliant for stuff like that.

eat shit

I believe that no gods exist, and that there is no such thing as a soul. That precludes all religions I'm aware of.

I have a discord, for what it's worth. I'm banned on FB tho lmao

Megawatt#1903

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

There's no evidence a supernatural event ever occurred. There will never be evidence a supernatural event will occur. Because if there was evidence, then it would be of the understanding or the laws of nature.

People believe all sorts of whacky stuff. Astrology exists. I explained earlier up here:
I don't believe in history. We know some things happened. Others we don't. There's a wide range of uncertainty.

Why do you know Jesus performed miracles, but Zeus didn't come fuck chicks on earth?

We have good evidence for some things, and little or no evidence for others.

Did I make the argument serial killers have a coherent moral philosophy? In fact I said quite the opposite.

Are you just trolling? It's like you didn't even read the words that I wrote, and just wanna say "gotcha" but you've got these silly little straw men instead of actually tackling the words that I wrote. It's kind of sad.

He would receive a baptism of desire. But still, it's always best to get baptised asap.

What denomination are you man?

What kind of pagan are you? I was a pagan for a little while too but I just realised it just ultimately doesn't make that much sense. What passages are you referring to?

This guy gets it

By ruining their lives and falling on their faces.
Then, after they're dead, their sons will learn the lesson they ignored. Or they'll repeat the same shitty cycle.

imgur.com/WyNFYxY

Man you're not even reading or trying to understand what I'm saying. I never even came close to suggestimg that there's an "equation" for spirit. You're creating your own narrative and this isn't even a discussion anymore, but that's ok
This user is onto it. I don't often see such a multicultural approach, and I'm glad you mentioned psychedelics. it took me 6 hours to believe in something "beyond" myself, from a life long lived in athiesm. I tried to kill myself, failed miserably, didn't know what to do, and my friend randomly got mushrooms. Never heard of them. didn't know anything about them. Just took them without really thinking. What did I have to lose, right?

I walked around the forest outside, eyes wider than the full moon. There was a warm breeze I'll never forget. The sky was full of stars, and the bugs were all singing. It was picturesque; the perfect night. I walked slowly through the woods feeling every leaf and branch with my outstretched hands, tears steadily falling down my face. I felt like a newborn. I felt within ecstacy.

After an experience like that, trying to stay an Athiest became illogical

You literally said we'll use appeal to authority to convince dumb people.
A comedian wrote a joke that was the same thing.

Are you happy?