Is corona virus really that big a deal? If not, why? Show your sources

But If it isn’t going to be the virus it’s going to the global economic collapse and the wars

Haha no

What is your worst case scenario?

A few people get sick, some old cunts die, in a few months eveyone forgets it even happened.

There is about to be mass death in NYC just watch that’s going mass panic . Just wait and see.. by this time next week shits really going to hit the fan when America freaks out .

Again hope your right . My research shows otherwise .

Yes, everything happening now is to try and slow it down until a vaccine can be developed.

since you're probably young and healthy it's probably just going to be a miserable experience. it'll probably be the most sick you'll ever get in your life. maybe like food poisoning. but to the old, or those who live an unhealthy lifestyle (alcohol, obesity, smokers, drugs), and/or have any other health issues (even asthma) it's life threatening. and that's with treatment. however, there lies the problem. we're very short on resources or the manpower. which is why we're all in quarantine. because if we all get sick at once, at the rate of the flu, well you're looking at millions dying across the country.

Ok, zoomer.

We have the media cause panic about the flu every few years and the same thing happens every time.

Yep, and I’m alcoholic , Workaholic , drug user , smoker , pretty fat so I’m most likely fucked . Trying to decide if I either want to go to the hospital or suicide when it gets bad . I hate hospitals . Would rather die drunk or high .

But it’s never been like this

In 2-3 years there'll be another flu that'll be even worse and you'll be saying the same thing.

Crazy, it's almost like viruses adapt faster and outnumber us

informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/

Sources by John Hopkins University, WHO, CDC US, CDC China, and many more. Its a hoax, trust me.

I always knew this place was full of idiots but this thread really uncovers all of them. Just a list of few types of idiots I can see:

>Just let it go without lockdowns, otherwise the economy will colapse.
Yeah, because if you let it spread for few weeks with no control and your medical system crumbles as house of cards, it totally will not cause a massive panic and economy collapse anyway.

>You will have another flu in 2-3 years. Things like this happen all the time dude.
Did this happen 2 years ago? Or 3? Last massive pandemic was 100 years ago. Yeah, maybe we were really lucky the SARS or Ebola did not spread more, but hey, here we are now and hopefully once a similar situation repeats in 100 years, our knowledge and technology based society will react faster and more efficient.

>Its a hoax, trust me.
But that's not what your infographic shows.

Nigga are you dumb? Where were we 2-3 years ago, and 2-3 years before that, and 2-3 years before that?

I'm just gonna say this.

- USA has 300M population. If the virus doesn't stop spreading sooner it will stop when 70% of population is infected. 300M * 0.7 = 210M
- 14% of cases are severe which means that they need to be on ventrilators of they have around 50% of dying.
- Let's assume there is no ventrilators ( my country only has 168 anyway.. ) 300M *0.14 * 0.5 = 21M dead people
- Watch this /watch?v=_W7wqQwa-TU There is roughly 500k ppl in the crowd. now multiply them by 2 and you get 1M. Now vizualize all those people dead. Now mutiplay all dem dead people in your imagination by 21. You get the point.
- 22M is about the same as the number of people killed in WWI
- friendly reminder that Spanish Flu during the WWI killed from 50M-100M people and basicly started the great depression and reshaped the world as we know it

Not even talking about markets yet.

eh sorry should have done 210M * 0.14 * 0.5 = 14.7M

and then the silence has fallen

The 1918 Spanish Flu ended and the roaring 20's, one the biggest economic explosions in American history kicked off..
The excesses of that massive success is what led to the Great Depression.
Plagues are often followed by massive booms once things settle. Look at the Black Death, followed by a massive economic boom for the survivors.

History tells a different story than your assessment.

I don't know how this is even a debate anymore. Of course it's a big deal. Just look at the exponential growth that's been happening around the globe. Look what happens when you have under 1% of your population infected. It's a bloodbath. Now imagine 80%, which is the consensus estimate for the global population, considering that this is the most contagious diseases of all time. My Dad has barely gone outside for the past 2 weeks and now he has pneumonia.
msn.com/en-us/news/world/italys-suffering-offers-potential-terrifying-coronavirus-preview-for-us/ar-BB11EFnC

okay.. so it triggered something that triggered something? Chain reaction?

Anyway just cross the "basicly started the great depression" part if it bothers you.

>I don't know how this is even a debate anymore.
Disinformation. Malicious, trolling and gullibility. Maybe with some large river in Egypt thrown in, especially if your re-election depends on your performance

History actually tells you that epidemics and pandemics are devastating sometimes eradicating whole settlements. Just ask the original Americans.

It's not a big deal because of its mortality. It's a big deal because of the consequences for economy and societal services. All sources show the same thing, and none go something like "pandemic seems to make economy go boom" because it just simply doesn't. Simple people with simple world views think in terms of "how many people will die." What I mean is: that is a sufficient perspective if you live in some tribe somewhere. But for societies at the scale we're living in, other forces become more important.

Example: let's say 100 million get the normal flu every year. The NORMAL flu, not this extravagant fancy flu going around. Out of these, 1% die (it's not 1% in reality, but for this example, it is). That means 1 million will die. Now, suppose a pandemic comes along that kills another 1%. That means another million dies. But if that pandemic also burdens the health care system so it's unable to properly care for those with the normal flu, their mortality might increase 1%, meaning another million dies.

Imagine the police typically prevent 100 000 deaths, but when a pandemic goes around, police is less effective, meaning they only save 80k. That's another 20k dead.

Now apply this on all levels of society. People who are just barely hanging on in life, no won't hang on at all. People who are just making ends meet, won't make ends meet. People who normally wouldn't die from say pneumonia, will die from it. Just because the efficiency of society as a whole is lowered.

THAT'S where the problem with a pandemic is. Failure to understand that is in itself a contributing factor to suffering.

All of economy is just a system to feed the rich. It's all just numbers that we agree on at the end of the day.
People's lives are real. I bet you would care real bad how many people die if you were infected.

I'm not saying that economy aspect isn't important, but the people's lives should have higher priority. Do you even know how many people would die if 70% of global population gets infected? That would be huge mass graves situation.

you are downplaying the number of dead

Probably a big deal, but it's not totally clear yet, because we don't know the extent of our under-testing, and certainly not world-shattering because of the disproportionate impact on the elderly. Talking the Diamond Princess as a case study, 712 of 3711 passengers were infected. Of the 712 infected, 9 have already died (~1.3%) and 37 hospitalized (~9.7%). I think it's reasonable to expect anyone infected on the cruise ship who is not already hospitalized will survive, which suggests the case fatality rate is between 1% and 10%. But this is likely an overestimate, because the population of the cruise ship is so disproportionately old, but then again might be an underestimate because all hospitalized cases were able to get sufficient medical care, which won't be possible if the spread is uncontrolled.

So, conservatively, I'd say the real case fatality rate will be between 0.1% (cruise ship is an overestimate due to age and all are able to get medical care) and 10% (cruise ship is not much of an overestimate and most who would be hospitalized die). While terrible, even the high end death rate would not be the end of the world, but it's certainly well-worth 1-3 months of broad quarantine even if it's 1%. More than 6-12 months? Probably not, and that'd be an immense undertaking. Eventually the economic damage is worse than the loss of life.

First off, I am infected, that's why I can sit here daytime during a fucking pandemic and educate you in how society works. Secondly, economy is a system of redistribution of resources. Your teenage fanfiction explanation has nothing to do with reality. Even Marx recognised that economy and ownership is the beginning and the end of society's well being. People's lives ARE real, but their lives aren't primarily threatened by the virus itself. It's threatened because of the consequences of the virus. It was true during the spanish flu, and it's true now. It's not even that hard to understand if you have basic math skills.

the conclusion that it's the virus mortality that is the main problem is simple base rate fallacy.

No, I am up playing the impact on society. Actually, I am just comparing to all other pandemics save the plague. It's been the exact same thing every time. Pandemic hits, people die, but more people die from starvation because production can't be maintained.

* Infection fatality rate

And someone has already done a more advanced version of my analysis here, accounting for age: cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/severity/diamond_cruise_cfr_estimates.html

>I am infected, that's why I can sit here daytime during a fucking pandemic and educate you in how society works.
Nope. I checked the symptoms of infection with SARS-CoV-2 and increased intelligence and knowledge was not listed

you should go out and catch a case of coronavirus and let us know, go find some chinese and ask to lick their butts

first off I don't have any reason that I should believe you are infected. Second get off your high horse.

Guess what causes the panic you fking moron. The number of infected and dead people. The economic consequence is just a symptom of that. You can rotate your view or perspective any way you want, you can't get by the fact that the best response is to limit the number of dead and infected people, thus limit the spread. Using Spanish flu is such a bad example for your arguement that it hurts my head. Spanish flu killed the most people in history. More than any plague ever. More people died from starvation after Spanish flu? nope. I would much rather be broke than see relatives/friends die or die myself. This is natural selection on a massive scale, something the system and economics is supposed to protect us from but didn't because goverments acted to slow. This could have all been avoided in the first place if certain people didn't care for economy so much.

We shouldn't care about numbers. All we should care about is, that military, police and medical staff keeps working. That food production and other crutial essentials don't stop. Goverments should pay and protect those people so that they don't stop working and shut down everything else. Put the economy on pause. lock it down. freeze it. It's not important right now.

The real reason countries acted so slowly is because the elite were afraid for their investments. and thats a hard truth to swallow. this whole capitalistic system is sick at its core.

those numbers dont take into account the people who are infected and have virtually no symptoms or very mild symptoms and therefore dont even know they have the virus cause they likely havent been tested
meaning the death rate is way smaller than we think

Well, yeah.

If nothing else, its done severe damage to the entire worlds economy.

we are already dead

big shills in this thread, or just retards, the disease itself is very literally the common cold, coronaviruses are one of the most common causes of what is referred to as the common cold. It's "a new strain" but that's pretty meaningless really, it's not very deadly and mass media is just trying to profit off the fear, the government is just trying to extend control from the fear, i really feel like it was either a lab created strain of coronavirus or it really barely exists at all... It's essentially sars, similar disease to sars genetically too, really sars was much much worse, and look at sars, killed like 2 million people in china and now nobody even remembers it. I'd say it will probably kill less than 100,000 people, i feel like the media/johns hopkins/the cdc/fema are overtly lying about a lot of the numbers. Google event 201, google ID2020, their motives are clear.

No. China tested every1 systematicly. If people resisted they were tested by force. From positive cases like 20% of them needed respirators. But China also has lots of old smokers. So there is that

Ok groomer

It doesn't matter in which group of viruses it belongs. Mers had like 30% mortality rate and its corona virus also.

This is magical. This is fractal wrongness. Every single claim you made is as wrong as the entirety of you your post. Zooming in on any specific part of your post reveals flaws as apparent as the entirety of your claim.

Just look at this: spanish flu killed most people? No, neither in numbers (50-100 million) nor in percentage (2-3%, compared to a third of the population for the plague). More people did not die from starvation in the case of the spanish flu. No one claimed that either. What I did claim was that all production is lowered because of a pandemic. That includes food production. Or rather: in the time of the plague, when 95% of the population were farmers, a reduction of 33% of those food producers will have famine as a consequence. And it did. It was also a major contributing factor to wars. In the case of the spanish flu, services were largely suspended, and a lot of conflicts were started because of shortages. Pretending like this didn't happen does nothing.

Your panicked outburst does nothing for your credibility. We shouldn't care about numbers? We should care a lot about numbers, because they tell us what to expect. What do you think has the military functioning? Good intentions, or a salary and supplies? To put it differently: what happens to an army if money and supplies are shit down? What happens to a police force when there are no more resources? Medical staff when there are no supplies? Food production when transportation and distribution doesn't work? Governments can't pay because money isn't a physical item. Money is a store of labour, and if no labour is conducted, then creating money devalues whatever currency that is left. Countries have gone into hyper inflation for less than this. Putting the economy on pause kills people. You think creating money out of thin air without it being linked to production will have no consequences? Where will you buy goods when it's not produced? Longer society is shut down, the worse it gets.

Forgot to add, plague killed 75-200 million people.

im talking about in the world
china doesnt mean everyone

its the same virus..

>36 year old with no previous health complications died this week.

Its just a bad flu bro!

Yeah every year people are put under quarantine, stock markets collapse, people stockpile and all international travel gets put on lockdown.

How can people be so short sighted happens every election cycle wake up sheeple

You cannot be serious.

The economy was fucked anyway I hope the us dollar crashes

I don't. My currency - everyone's currency, is tied to the dollar. Since 1971, no currency is tied to any material. It's all fiat money. Dollar is the reserve currency, but if that fails we are all assuredly fucked in all the orifices we have at the same time.

A reasonable take on Yas Forums, wtf?

Some small banks and governments may collapse. Those population death rates are way too high without medical care. With medical care much lower.

More than a few have already gotten sick despite increasingly drastic measures. If in a few months you forget this happened then you've got a short memory. We should all be learning from this: shortages can happen at anytime with no warning, stock up for months of quarantine, focus on jobs that you can do from home, focus on jobs that allow for rapid changing of production (CNC type work, 3d printing, etc).

This is fundamentally different than the flu because you are asymptomatic longer, spreads easier (airborne vs droplets) and requires more serious treatment (higher percentage require hospitalization and/or ventilator). If this did not require ventilators for severe cases it wouldn't be a huge deal. It would suck but they could be treated. The issue is we have no where near enough ventilators to support a mass outbreak.

Commons colds require ventilation and have a high death rate? Dude you're grasping at straws here.

do your own fucking research, lazy faggot

>You cannot be serious.
Deadly. Fault my logic.

Even if there is no value to money there are still factories and fields and machines and people with experties, they don't just cease to exist. They just have to be managed differently. Money is just a virtual number. Who the fuck cares.

Spanish Flu killed the greatest number of people that is a fact.

it works like this:.................Infected and dead people --> bad for economy
it doesn't work like this:......bad for economy --> dead people ( maybe some, but nothing compared to Spanish flu example )
nor like this:........................Infected and dead people --> economy stays the same

Your priority is the number of infected and dead people. It's not going to help if you release the lockdown it will only get worse. So virus mortality and spread rate is the main problem and it is a big deal and the only deal actually, everything else sorts itself out if you figure out how to eleminate the virus or lower its spread and/or mortality rate. Do you understand now?

its the hospitals that are killing people by sedating them for "ventilators" their hearts stop from the drugs not the cold they have