How can anyone be sure there is no such place as Heaven, or Hell, or any other transdimensional place? Every legitimate religion is true in its own way, which is something you are sure to realize if you are studying religion in a logical context. People think they are just so clever rejecting religion/spirituality because it's "not true" as if rejecting religion/spirituality makes them smarter, when if anything, rejecting religion/spirituality means you are dumb. I know it's super trendy nowadays to say and act like religion is obsolete, but that's only because the higher ups of this world have convinced so many (dumb) people that religion is obsolete. Religion is not actually obsolete, at all. Don't even get me started on all of this "deep" spiritual crap that's all the rage, the New Age/enlightenment type stuff, all of that stuff is horse shit and leads people away from authentic spirituality, which can only be found in religion. You might want to argue, that the New Age stuff is a form of religion, well perhaps it was once upon a time, but nowadays it's definitely not a legitimate form of religion in any way, as the current trendy version of New Age teachings is so far removed from any actual truth, that some desperate/gullible people actually believe in lizard-esque humanoids living among us and "good aliens" vs. "bad aliens" and all you have to do is "raise your vibrations" and God is "pure love/light/consciousness" and blah blah blah, all of this crap.
How can anyone be sure there is no such place as Heaven, or Hell, or any other transdimensional place...
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Logical reasoning > belief in literal superstition. No amount of mental gymnastics or "muh testimonial CLAIMS (with no evidence but more claims)" will ever make what the bible claims as true, true.
>hurr durr lots of people believe it so it must be true!
That's a fallacy and you're a moron for asserting it as if it's an argument.
Fact of the matter is that the bible promotes the antithesis of logical reasoning, it promotes belief in superstition and obedience/dependency to a self appointed religious authority. Intellectual honesty BY DEFINITION is mutually exclusive with religious bias. NPC conditioning = christianity.
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>How can anyone be sure there is no such place as Heaven, or Hell, or any other transdimensional place?
You can't, that is why it is most important to live your life in a way that you enjoy, and is honorable and moral. The rest should sort itself out.
I have been contacted by higher powers and by aliens. You are wrong about some of this stuff, sorry to tell you.
there it is, he's been probed and he's the new compound leader. how's it going Do?
Nah no probes here my man.
>thebible
>imagine being this retarded
I went through the procesa of death during a lumber cutting accident and i can say that it doesn't matter how good or bad you are in life if you accept your death then you enter a blissful dreamscape afterlife of everything perfect. Damn paramedics saved me with medical sand while i was at death's door and got a blood transfusion. Left me with ptsd since i got brought back from the greatest place ever into my life.
just read the upanishads and calm down user.
Religions only exist to sexually abuse children. Prove me wrong.
Some people still don't understand that it is an allegory.
>The Bible is the word of God
>"but how can you be sure it's the word of God?"
By looking at the prophesies of the Scripture. Seeing how those prophesies have been fulfilled. God promised that his chosen people will spread all around the world. Become the most successful and their language will be used worldwide. Now look at the history of Europe. Europe colonised the world. Europeans have been the most advanced and prosperous of all nations for the last couple centuries. English is a universal language taught worldwide.
One or two bad apples doesn't make the whole tree bad.
"Since we cannot know which religion is the true one, we should live our lives with the grace of possibly being right and the humility of possibly being wrong."
Time has and will go on for a very long time. Surpassing death is one prominent things on peoples mind who recognize this. Religions may be useful to remind people it can be useful to work together on the issue, but I wouldn’t say they’re good for sure. Until one can prove there’s something favorable after death, by following religion or the opposite of what religions promote, life is still a gamble against the potential negative consequences of death.
The pope himself covered for them.
Why can't they all be right?
No.
You know what? I got convinced.
I now belive in God. I just had a revelation that there's an invisible giant with a gigantic stone cock that is waiting to rape people that begin "God exist" threads with poor reasoning on Yas Forums.
Wait for Him because I know in my heart it's true.
Shut up faggot. There is no magical sky daddy or alternate universe. Be born, fail, be forgotten. The universe will carry on. Your life is what you make of it.
Wow fag nice copypasta, been seeing this shitty pasta every day for years now.
Because I deem this to be pasta, therefore everyone who replied is a fucking retard from my perspective. Checkmate, I win again.
Yep, so in that analogy, the apples would be the different religions. You are aware that there are like 100's of religions right?
Saying is actually 'A few bad apples ruin the bushel'.
Because literally the rot of a few apples will overcome the others it's stored with
Oh gigantic invisible Lord of the gigantic stone cock, please let this misguided infidel know your truth.
All of them are corrupt, with evidence of child sexual abuse, I am waiting for you to give me a single example to the contrary.
I say what i mean, and I mean what I say. That's neat that there is a different saying out there, but that's not what I said, and has nothing to do with what I said.
Exactly.
Bhuddism, Hinduism, Taoism, Shintoism off the top of my head.
If I claim there are gnomes in the center of the fucking Earth, then it's up to my stupid ass to prove it. Otherwise, what logical reason do you have to believe it? Fucking none, it's common sense.
>If I claim there are gnomes in the center of the fucking Earth
I believe you nigger
Honestly...I am just indifferent. You could provide me with irrefutable of the existence of heaven, hell, or any deity, and I still would not change my life in any way. Religion no longer has a place in my life. When I was young, I was raised in a Methodist household, when I hit my teens I went though my militant Atheist phase, but now, I just do not care. Beyond reading into it from an academic perspective, no religion that I have looked into has anything to offer me.
>not understanding how the human psyche works
okay faggot.
Thus, the religion of Gnomism was founded.
While I can understand your point of view, I really think you should be less rigid in your approach and look at it from a spiritual standpoint, rather than a religious one. Where you find that no religion has anything to offer, I find that they all have something to offer, but I don't take them literally. Most holy books are allegories.
>prophecies being fulfilled
Except that never happened you superstitious retard. By your definition of "prophecy" countless others from other religions have been fulfilled too, such as the Nordic prophecy that Odin would remove all Ice Giants from the Earth. Well! No ice giants around anywhere, right? I guess the prophecy was fulfilled and Odin actually exists! You absolute shit for brains.
I am sure they have something to offer others, but there is nothing there for me. My life operates just fine, without their inclusion. Spirituality, if it is truly any different, holds no weight with me either. That entire section is just absent from my life.
>Most holy books are allegories
Not according to the books themselves. That's just your opinion. They present everything as if it is to be taken literal.
To each, their own. I wish you good fortune and a happy life :D
>Except that never happened you superstitious retard.
God said his people will conquer the world. Europe conquers the world. Did you ever study history you godless moron? Europeans conquered the world, didn't they? God said as long as his people believe in him, they shall rule the world. Since when has Europe's decline begun? Around early 1900's, when secularism and atheism started really spreading.
>bUT OdiN sAiD.. hurrrrr...
I'd lynch you personally, you devil.
To be fair so does most of the news. They've been caught red handed lying to you several times and you still believe that. Is it really logical to continue listening to anything? Politicians should be ignored every time, right?
I mean, it's all in how you read it. If you look at them in the context of the time period in which they were written, it becomes very clear. People in ancient times received a message that they could handle. We have evolved since then.
Do you have any powers that only gnomes can grant?
Gem missile
Thank God they saved you. Can you imagine how short our economy would be if people like you weren't here to labor away for more taxes?
idiots can't into philosophy and psychology of religion. it's really not that complicated. well, only for fedoratheists and religious zealots.
Sweet, than by all means I'm ready to believe as soon as you show me
Jesus the bait, it is not fresh.
>Europeans conquered the world
Too bad Europe is a mix of paganism and Nordic traditions and has less to do with the Bible than the Aramaic people who are constantly getting buttfucked by mudslimes in the mideast.
Damn, being this retarded must make your life hard.
>Too bad Europe is a mix of paganism and Nordic traditions
Yeah... thousands of years ago... before Europeans conquered the world... while they were still Christian...
>has less to do with the Bible than the Aramaic people
Europeans are the ancient Israelites... yeah... okay bud...
You can't expect people who cast doubt on all religions to have studied them.
Jesus spoke aramaic you pleb.
Europe never conquered the world. The muslims came far closer when the moors took over spain and a vast swathe of continental Europe.
>Being this revisionist
There's evidence of rape on every religion, yes,even the Eastern ones.
>Europe never conquered the world. The muslims came far closer when the moors took over spain and a vast swathe of continental Europe.
>Being this revisionist
You really are retarded, aren't you? :/
Source?
That's true. He came with a mindset of 'I am right, you're all wrong!' Can't really reason with people like that.
Amazing how you exclude the majority of Russia as 'European'.
Your source falls apart on its face right there.
Not to mention 'influence' does not equal control. Nor does it state that this all occurred over the same time period.
And as an interesting aside, most of the Crusades (which failed to retake the holy city, their actual objective) was centered around christian nations wanting to steal from other christian nations.
Religion is a scam. Yours is too.
Its funny too because I have found the opposite. Every religion I have studied has something to offer, and recent experiences have led me to believe most, if not all, of them are correct.
If you find a gold nugget in the trash, do you spend the rest of your life believing that you will again, or do you rightly chalk it up to mere coincidence and understand there are better places to find gold that don't require you to sift through garbage?
Um...what are you even talking about? lol I am trying to discern a point here, but there simply isn't one as far as I can tell. Perhaps you can explain?
>God said his people will conquer the world.
Wrong. People have made claims that god said things after people have made claims that god exists. That's all. Claims on claims with no evidence other than a mountain of more claims.
>Europeans conquered the world, didn't they
Oh? Is that why the entire world is European? Oh wait-
You're a fucking idiot.
>Amazing how you exclude the majority of Russia as 'European'.
You know that the entirety of Russia is... Russia... right? Therefore, counts as direct European control...
>Not to mention 'influence' does not equal control. Nor does it state that this all occurred over the same time period.
I mean... if you heavily influence a nation-state's foreign and domestic policy it kind of does...
>And as an interesting aside, most of the Crusades (which failed to retake the holy city, their actual objective) was centered around christian nations wanting to steal from other christian nations.
How does that disprove me though? Crusades failed... but later Europeans still conquered the Middle East. So the prophesy was still fulfilled.
>Religion is a scam. Yours is too.
That's your opinion. Considering how well you've been doing thus far, not a valuable one.
Yes, you religious minded people have trouble with metaphors.
'Something to offer' is the gold nugget.
'Religion' is the trash pile filled with superstition, pedophilia, rape, and forced marriages, etc.
The point being that a stopped clock is still right twice a day, i.e. religions contain volumes of bullshit, so it isn't surprising that among all the conflicting information that you should by happenstance find something worthwhile.
I'll leave the rest as an exercise, because if you can't put it together now, you never will.
They really did though, or are you not familiar with alexander the great? Just because they assimilated other cultures instead of destroying them doesn't make the world any less conquered.
I see it this way: every religion has some truth in it. Some are more and some are less diluted. Which religion has the entire truth in it? Well it comes down to a lot of research and studying to find out.
Oh, I see. Well, in my opinion, in your example, the trashcan would be filled with gold nuggets, and in that case, yes, i would continue to search in the trash for gold nuggets if it was filled with them every time i looked.
Religion is garbage. Anything you want to attribute as "good" about a religion can be found from pre-existing sources, minus the religious/superstitious baggage (the thing that makes religion garbage) coming along with it.
The golden rule, for example. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Do you know who preached that philosophy? Confucius in China, 475 years before the name Jesus ever meant anything.
>The majority of Russia is Russia
Indeed, and Russia is more an asian country than it is a europoor one.
>Crusades failed... but later Europeans still conquered the Middle East. So the prophesy was still fulfilled.
And who represents this 'unified Europe', and when exactly are you claiming they conquered the middle east? You don't mean to argue that the multiple competing world powers all playing the 'Great Game' at odds with each other somehow count towards some greater Christian dominance story do you?
Have fun with your Pyrite and ancient superstitions then.
Just try to keep your hands off little kids.
>That's all. Claims on claims with no evidence other than a mountain of more claims.
>Oh? Is that why the entire world is European? Oh wait-
Uh you lot really aren't too bright, are you? God promised his people that as long as they keep their covenant with Him, they shall prosper. Under Christianity Europe has conquered the world. Look at and tell me that the world wasn't conquered by Europeans.
lol, you are aware that confucianism is a thing right? why are you attributing it to christianity. you are just displaying your ignorance and the fact that you haven't actually done any research on the subject.
The world wasn't conquered by 'Europeans'.
A number of different States with competing interests colonized the known world at various points since 1450. At no time was there a single hegemonic power ruling everything under a Christian banner.