There's nothing, is there? There really isn't. God, the state, the universe, DMT trip realizations. It's all bullshit...

'You' die every day already. Memory data from your short-term neurological RAM unit is constantly erased, only tiny fragment remain to be stored in your wider HDD flesh storage machine, that is again repeatedly copy, pasted and eventually deleted every time your brain renews it's aging cell structure. Seven years from now there will not be a single unit of matter that you currently carry still preserved, we are constantly recycled, replaced with inferior duplicated material and a permanently transformed consciousness that doesn't even realise it's something else; all thanks to the reality that we are nothing more than finite biological software with a vaguely self-aware operating paradigm that lulls us into thinking our 'being' is linear.

Imagine stepping into a teleporter and being ripped to pieces then reassembled on the other side: Whatever the fuck came out of that machine would think it had always been alive and never died - meanwhile the old you that stepped into it in the first place has ceased to exist entirely. THAT is the nature of our existence. Constant death, the you that is reading this post doesn't even realise he's dying every damn second of every damn day.

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stfu my god can beat up your god

But then what is consistent consciousness? Even though all our cells are replaced eventually, we still carry the same consciousness through it all. A scary thought is that perhaps not everyone has this consciousness which is why so many people can consider the idea as unrealistic.

But from there we'd need to work out what leads some people to retain a single consciousness throughout their lives, if some people have multiple consciousnesses that fade out, how and why, and, if some people do not have this experience at all, but only think that they do in some capacity, can they really be considered human?

Ive thought about this. You can never go back

ehh, I'd say the cessation of consciousness is true death. Though if it is infinite or reoccurring, that never really happens. Die and born again the next instant, to do it all over again. Forever. Trapped. But I understand your point, it's an interesting one, but the sense of continuity of experience, even if delusion, staves off the definition of death for me.

The point of the post is that you don't have a consistent consciousness. It's an illusion. Like the man walking out of the teleporter and not knowing any different. You are going to die very soon, (you probably already have since reading it) and you can't know any different.

>A dream, a whisp, and soon enough it will be nothing, with no one to remember anything
This would mean the universe must have a beginning. And a beginning would require a first cause.

A first cause is completely illogical to me. It would mean that something came from absolutely nothing. Now, of course Christians will say that God is a causeless cause and isn't bound to the material world and all the other convenient excuses they pull out of their asses, but it essentially amounts to cheating. God doesn't get around the problem of causality. So, what does? I think the only thing that solves the problem of a universe without a beginning or end is the concept of a cyclical universe -- specifically, a universe that functions as a closed system in an eternal state of flux.

So, what if the universe is a closed system that's eternally fluctuating? It would mean that every possible iteration of the universe has happened ad infinitum. There's actually a theorem that deals with this called Poincare Recurrence theorem.

If this is true, it would logically follow that we have lived this exact life (and probably countless different versions of it) ad infinitum and will continue the cycle for eternity.

Tl;dr: the notion of universe that begins and ends is ridiculous, and I believe the only other logical possibility is a universe with a finite amount of information that's eternally fluctuating.

Nobody is watching me when I touch myself....uhh...'down there' ?

only santa

Well if you have a web cam then only the NSA and certain Russian dude's...but that's about it.

nice reddit spacing nigger

The fat fucking pervert

nope, not even when you're fapping to blacked porn.

Take solace in the fact that unless time ceases to be, we are all truly immortal. Particles can jump infinite distances for a fraction of a millisecond on the quantum level - it doesn't matter how big a heat death the universe suffers and how far apart it infinitely stretches. In an infinite timeline, we WILL reassemble spontaneously via quantum teleportation. And we WILL reassemble an infinite amount of times in an infinite existence. Even if it requires a trillion to the power of a trillion years for the math to check out and every particle of our being to spontaneously assemble.

nigga
take a course in psychology. you have basically infinite memory. read how plasticity works.

samefag

and and even bigger infinity of boltzmann brains of myself would spawn in that time too, given that's it easier to spontaneously create a brain spazzing out with electrons than it is to create a fully ecosystem and galaxy and universe necessary for life to arise naturally, right?

Do elaborate on the concept of constant death

There is no such thing as a begging and an end when there is no time, and time only came to be when the Big Bang took place.

time only came to be with conscious beings experiencing it. with nothing around to see, everything is simultaneously happening and not.

Yeah, essentially. It's gonna be quite the hell reanimating and dying infinite times I tell ya.

Has anyone else noticed more and more people subscribing to the notion that the universe is cyclical? Of course this is nothing new, but it seems like it's becoming more widely accepted that the universe is without beginning or end.

I've been of this opinion for quite a long time, but took me a while to realize that a life that begins and ends is just as illogical as a universe that begins and ends.

Indeed, hence when we die the entire universe is going to die instantly.

I would but it would require at least three paragraphs and I kinda wanna jack-off right now. Just hoping I experience the orgasm before I die tbh. Future me is probably gonna experience it instead. God I hate that guy already

false. die

no, the universe is already dead and not. There are billions of other beings out there if it is infinite, and other versions of you as well. soooooo, it never dies. There's always someone or thing to experience shit. But it also never happened at all.But the real takeaway is, you're trapped. Better make your life something you can see yourself doing ad infinium, because you will have to repeat it. forever. Real, actual purgatory. One shot. Better make it count. But don't stress out too much, that will just ruin it. It's one of those paradoxes, the more you relax about an overwhelming burden, the easier it becomes to accept it.

>There is no such thing as a begging and an end when there is no time
Time is a collection of concepts. It exists in the same way color exists.

>and time only came to be when the Big Bang took place
The big bang was more of an inflationary period than a "bang". This inflationary period could have been a previous iteration of the universe which reached an infinite point of expansion in which the only things that existed were photons and the quantum fluctuations that ultimately produce matter.

this doesnt even make sense to samefag, newfag. try again

if the earth is round why is the milky way a disk?

If the Earth is found, then why does my car have 4 tires and only 1 spare?

False. We have enough raw HDD space for about 10,000 years of memories; provided the data is abysmally vague and incoherent. True vivid memories take up massive amounts of biologically expensive neurons to maintain and so we're kinda designed to forget the vast majority of what we experience.

If the Earth is round then why is my dick so big?

are you fucking retarded?

there are blackholes bigger 10x the size of our system and we still go by rules created by ancestors of those people that still throw rocks at each other. we will never leave this earth if we don't get our shit together. Imagine a flu wiping us out right before we create ways to live forever with technology

It's not infinite in the sense that matter is finite and there is kind of an end in that eventually the distance between every atom that exists will eclipse the diameter of the entire universe ATM.

No time is the fourth dimension and instrinsicaly linked to the very fabric of space by which any and all interactions between matter are wholly dependent.

and then expand forever, until through quantum fluctuation something happens like a boltzmann brain or a big bang, right?

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>There are billions of other beings out there if it is infinite
An infinite amount of information is illogical. You run into the problem of an infinite regression. It would require an infinite amount of causal effects in order to produce an infinite amount of information, thus requiring a first cause.

If the universe is cyclical, I believe it would have to be as I described in

we don't know enough about the universe enough to say whether or not it's infinite yet. sooooo kys you theory parroting bozo

>infinite, thats like a couple billion!

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Enjoy my Venezuelan gf

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Yeah I know I'm kind of contradicting myself by stipulating two points, but I felt it was an important distinction to make lmao.

But what IS time? As far as I can tell, 3 things constitute time:
1. Changes in matter
2. Changes in space
3. Space itself
*And also our perception of these things.

God fucking bless

>we don't know enough about the universe enough to say whether or not it's infinite yet
You could argue that don't know anything at all for certain, but that doesn't mean we can't use our tools for reasoning to investigate.

Protip: nothing is wholly original, sooooo

sure, but from a scientific standpoint as far as I've heard they still don't know with a real degree of certainty what exactly is going on as far as the universe being infinite.

>they still don't know with a real degree of certainty what exactly is going on as far as the universe being infinite
Of course they don't. They can't calculate probabibity based on something that doesn't have one key piece of information -- and unfortunately that piece of information is the thing that would prove it.

As long as we can't observe anything outside of this particular universe, we'll never know. However, formal principles of reasoning can certainly make you lean in one direction or the other. You don't even need empirical evidence to realize it makes sense.

okay im done being smart now im tired of it good thought experiment tho ill think about it again another day, thanks everyone participate in this thread but it's now closed for business. /thread

But this is false. You're not a different consciousness, you're the same one. If you can honestly believe differently it proves you do not have a consistent consciousness.

Considering time can be controlled with gravity, it may be possible to encapsulate yourself in some kind of gravity bubble and watch the end of the universe. It'd be interesting to see what happens.

People lose consciousness, alter their consciousness, or change states of consciousness all the time many times a day (you will probably have different opinions and perspectives on different things if you are very hungry vs very full for instance), so something that is constantly changing can't be the same all the time.