Loli thread - First Amendment edition

Loli thread - First Amendment edition

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Child porn is protected by the first amendment, child porn should be legal

Minors have certain rights.

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>Child porn is protected by the first amendment, child porn should be legal
no, it's not and should not be. real children have a right to be protected from exploitation and abuse.

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Amen

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It’s not exploitation or abuse if it is mutual or consensual.
Why is it legal to view images of children being beating to death, but not images of children having orgasms?

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Pedophiles are entitled to rights too, that’s why child porn needs to be legalized because the fact that it alone is so criminal while normal porn is perfectly legal is an infringement on their right to equal protection under the law.

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Hello fellow loli lovers, Count here.
Taking drawing requests as usual, if anyone wants something

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draw a loli standing over a nigger saying bite the curb nigger

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>Why is it legal to view images of children being beating to death, but not images of children having orgasms?
because the market for gore content depicting children is highly different than the market for child sexual abuse. the market for CP is dependent on individual, real-life instances long term physical and psychological abuse in order to exist. Whereas gore content is mostly incidental and lacks these dependent variables and doesn't need to be driven underground in order to protect those who possess or record the materials from law enforcement action.

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there are words. and they seem to form sentences. but there no message in there.

stop writing BS

The rights of children come before your rights to sexual indulgence and self-expression. Your rights are protected by legal alternatives such as lolicon and materials made with youthful looking adults.

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>child sexual abuse
I deny that all adult-child sex is abusive
>the market for CP is dependent on individual, real-life instances long term physical and psychological abuse in order to exist.
That is categorically false. First of all, you’re using the term “market”. We hear law enforcement tell us from time to time that child porn is billion dollar industry. If the harsh criminalization of the mere possession of child porn were intended to cripple this industry, then that it is a goal that it has clearly failed at. It begs the question of whether destroying the lives of citizens can be justified on the basis of a failed strategy. But besides that, why is there any market at all in the internet age? Imagine if it was legal to share and possess it. Imagine if there could be cp threads on Yas Forums, and if there was a pedo pornhub. With so much freely accessible material, why would anyone spend a dime on cp again? This “market” now only exists because its illegality can be leveraged to force purchase. Finally, what about the material that already exists? There is cp that is many decades old, some that is even older than anyone in this thread. Can obtaining such old material in any way truly be construed as contributing to “child abuse”?

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Source?

The bit about older cp is something I wonder about too. What about Brooke Shields' playboy shoots when she was 10? She's like what, 50 now?

In what way does masturbation to an image of any kind harm anyone, let alone children? We are not talking about children, we are talking about 1s and 0s in a computer, pixels on a screen. When a pedo is fapping to cp, there are no children involved in that act, if you ignored what exactly is on his screen it is not discernible from the masturbation of anyone else. And again, the depiction of the rape of adults is not so criminal as child porn. Why do their rights not matter? Because these laws are not based on protecting children, they are intended to persecute pedophiles.

Sexy little girls

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Sex is not something that needs to be protected against, just the opposite.

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How is that categorically false? You're drawing this assumption without recognizing the detrimental effects of sexual exploitation on minors.
While it is worth noting that rampant law enforcement action can exacerbate the severity of any situation like the war on drugs, this is a situation where allowing it in the slightest is not an option.
Children deserve to be protected from the sexual abuse and exploitation that is intrinsic to the creation of child pornography. It's not a question of taste or morality, rather one of legal facts. The rights of children transcend such petty, arbitrary notions..

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It is when one party is too young to understand the implications of it or can't physically handle it. Or when one party doesn't truly have the ability to consent because of the position of power or authority over the other party.

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>over the other party
Of the other party

Children are too young to understand the ramification of anything they do, how come we let them do anything at all? Treating sex differently is unaccountable except as a legacy of puritan repugnant views of sex.

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>Brooke Shields
>10
I've seen those. Quite tastful.

Reductionist logic doesn't change the fact that they are images of actual children in sexual conduct. The rationale for minors willingly creating the materials is mooted by the fact that minors can't be charged for certain crimes in the same way that adults are.

Also minors can have sexual interactions with other minors. Just not in a way that allows for them to be unknowingly exploited in the same way an adult may be. This paternalistic rationale is justified by their interests in staying safe and free from exploitation.

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>How is that categorically false?
You should read the rest of the post
>You're drawing this assumption without recognizing the detrimental effects of sexual exploitation on minors.
So you are requiring me to concede your position before you will consider my points?
>this is a situation where allowing it in the slightest is not an option.
Of course not, we wouldn’t want even the slightest tolerance for pedophiles, that is indeed completely unacceptable to normal people.
>Children deserve to be protected from the sexual abuse and exploitation that is intrinsic to the creation of child pornography
I would refer you back to the post to which you are replying because this is not an argument against any of my points, this is an appeal to emotion. This post was a softball, do try harder

It's not a matter of puritanical prudery with children. Rather it's about keeping them safe from abuse. If it were about prudery then all pornography would be illegal.

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If she looked good, this would be hot.

>one party is too young to understand the implications of it
What do they not know that they cannot learn?
>one party doesn't truly have the ability to consent because of the position of power or authority over the other party.
It used to be that men held tremendous power over their wives. This was the case for all of western history until very recently. Would you say that all sex between adult men and adult women until the last few decades was rape?

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>Children are too young to understand the ramification of anything they do
First of all this is false. Secondly, what lasting ramifications can be cause by other common activities? Activities that are not essential to growth.

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>Reductionist logic doesn't change the fact that they are images of actual children in sexual conduct.
That’s right, images. They are images. Not children. You aren’t protecting anyone by putting people in prison for images.
>Also minors can have sexual interactions with other minors
And if they film it and put it on the internet without any involvement from an adult whatsoever it’s no less illegal to possess it. Why is this? I thought child porn law was intended to protect children from abuse? No it’s not intended to protect children from abuse, it’s intended to persecute people with a sexual interest in children.

Niggas seriously in here trying to argue for raping children.
You should be beat within an inch of your life.

Safe from what? the belief that sex is this terribly dreadful thing that ruins the virginal purity of an innocent maiden is nonsense, how else am I supposed to characterize it if not puritan?. Sex done properly is perfectly harmless, dare I say, even enjoyable.
>all pornography would be illegal.
Unsurprisingly they have tried very hard to do just that, thankfully they don't get to call all the shots.

It’s objectively not rape if they consent.

Playing sports can cause lifelong injuries to give just one example between many.

Fuck your wall of texts, kids are fucking sexy, especially between 5 and 10yo, deal with it

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>Would you say that all sex between adult men and adult women until the last few decades was rape?
A large amount of it was yes. It doesn't mean it was always the case, but it's far more likely.

>What do they not know that they cannot learn?
You can't teach them emotion or attachment. You are lying if you say sex doesn't have emotional implications, especially for woman.

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>So you are requiring me to concede your position before you will consider my points?
Because it's a point based on facts and truth.

>That’s right, images. They are images. Not children. You aren’t protecting anyone by putting people in prison for images.
Images that wouldn't exist without the exploitation and abuse of children. They're a permanent record of an instance where a minor's rights were violated.

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Lifelong injuries during children's sport is exceedingly rare. And most sports don't start until they are older. Plus sports or similar activities have a number of important benefits to growth. Let's hear another of your many examples.

A child can't consent.
We don't let them drink or vote till they're adults, we shouldn't let them be predated upon by creepy adults.
Children are too susceptible to abuse due to them being more naive and socially malleable not to mention the sheer power difference.
It's pretty fucked up that you're genuinely arguing for this and I can only assume you're either retarded or bounded by lust or both.

>It doesn't mean it was always the case
Then why does it mean it’s always the case with adult-child sex?
>You can't teach them emotion or attachment.
Do children not experience emotion or attachment?