God here, show me your singles and be free from sin

We get it, you’re gay.

That's not a response, nor is it a valid argument against what I have said. I find no error in what I have said, and I don't think you have either.

Please God, help me!

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Hi god, missed you buddy.

I can agree with this post. That's exactly what I do. I do it everywhere I feel I can make a point. And usually I try to respond accordingly.

Whatever you need to tell yourself Christfag. I’m not so insecure about my beliefs that I need to spend any time and effort to convince random strangers of them. Neither am I trying to stop you from doing so, if that’s your fetish. Just know that everyone can totally tell that you’re gay, is all.

Can one of you pls suck my dick?

Guys, can't you all see??? God got doubles and have sinned, while everyone else is getting singles! He has died for our sins!

dubs and i reverse that

Checked

>it was Satan who taught us sin
>Satan condemned Man to death.
Maybe I'm recalling incorrectly but aren't there zero mentions that the serpent was Satan? And doesn't God's divine plan essentially mean he allowed man to use his "free will" (another can of worms as the concept doesn't coincide with a divine plan) to listen to the serpent. The serpent which was acting according to plan.

Neverminding omniscience would render this whole human experience pretty fucking pointless when the outcome is known. Your skydaddy set forth an infallible rube goldberg and what, he's just sitting back tossing off while it runs it's course? Despite the fact he/it defies space and time and could basically run a hundred million of these sadistic little experiments in his head or in actuality in the span of a blink? Recruiting souls for the holy war he could just call off if he got bored with the idea?

I've met crackheads more grounded in reality.

I am not insecure about my beliefs. If I had any shame, I wouldn't display them here. As for converting people, I can only speak and preach to my ability. I can only "lead a horse to water" as it were. I will not attempt to "make you drink". Christians are called to PREACH the Gospel, not to lay hands on people and force them to submit. In learning to turn the other cheek, the real oppressors reveal themselves. If I were to preach repentance in the street, and someone were to attack me, who is oppressing who? Who is forcing beliefs on people? Am I really "forcing you" to submit to my faith when I tell you what you are doing is sin? I am merely speaking words to you. It is not I, but the man who attacks me for speaking on my beliefs that is oppressive and forceful. He is making himself a judge over me by enforcing his beliefs with violence. He smashes a Christian's signs, he takes his microphone, he silences, assaults, and violently protests a Christian's speech. That is the definition and epitome of oppression. The same thing happened to Jesus and the Apostles. What did Jesus do? Where is one instance in all of the New Testament where Jesus grabbed someone by the neck and said "Do it now."? No, he was condemned to death for the words he spoke. He harmed no one. He hurt no one. His words just irritated people so much that they killed him. And to this day, people who don't like his words are still pursuing his followers to their own demise by trying to silence them and oppress them and hurt them. I preach. They punch.

god please forgive me for my dubs

>>aren't there zero mentions that the serpent was Satan?

“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” - Revelation 12:9

Yes, you recalled incorrectly.

And as to your saying God knows everything before it is to happen, this is true. But, does this mean you never had a choice? No, it doesn't. If I knew you had plans to shoot up a building, is it on me if you go through with that plan? I knew you were going to do it, but could you not THE WHOLE TIME have changed your course of action? We ought to take responsibility for our own actions. God knows what will happen before it happens, yes. But that does not in any way take away your freedom to choose or make your decision any less impacting. It is a cop-out for anyone to say "Welp He knew so screw it. Destiny, right mate?" How ridiculous.

dubs tho

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Blah blah blah how hard did you fap while typing all that, faggot?

And if you suggest that I should have stopped you from shooting up a building, I would then be infringing on your free will to do as you please, correct? Now I'll apply this to everyone. If I thought you were going to lie to me, I should be able to ask God, by your own logic, "Lord! Cause it now that this man cannot tell a lie!" And presently He would infringe upon your freedom and MAKE IT so that you HAVE to tell the truth. How many people would change their lives then? But this isn't freedom. If God gave us free will, it is on us. But He told Moses to tell the people "Tell them, 'Be ye holy, for I am Holy." I.E. "BE LIKE ME."

>If I knew you had plans to shoot up a building, is it on me if you go through with that plan?
Are you God?

If I decided to, and it was according to God's plan, then changed my mind either changing my mind was also part of the plan (not free will) or I've done something outside the plan (no divine plan). There is no free will if there is divine plan. If something was devinely known prior to it occuring any semblance of free will is nothing more than an illusion.

Jesus was the son of a whore
Mother Mary was a whore
How can a baby grow from the womb without the semen from a male?
We all know that Cumming inside the womb causes birth. Jesus was no different
You've never seen a miracle happen in your life. Blindly believing in miracles is bad for your faith

He could have not created the bad people. He knew also that they would not change their actions, therefore his choosing to create them even knowing this resulted in their actions, directly. You could attempt to stop the shooter, but you do not know if they will change their mind and must weigh that against your knowledge, God does know if he will, and knows he will not.

Didn’t say anything about you forcing anyone. Specifically said I’m not telling you to stop talking. Frankly, you’re rambling, sound a bit mentally unstable, and more like you’re trying to convince yourself of something than us, but again, I don’t care if that’s what you’re into. All I’m saying is it would be simpler and better for you if you just drop the pretense and admit that you’re just here for some hot dick.

>Not so. God did indeed make Man in His own image. But it was Satan who taught us sin.
And God made Satan knowing he would do so and that Man would not ignore the lesson.

Talk in more causal loops godfag, it amuses those of us with any semblance of intelligence.

And what is God's plan according to you? Is it His plan that the world should be as it is? Is that your thought and understanding? God's plan is for all to come to salvation. But if He were to force you to, it wouldn't be salvation. It is a matter of our own heart and our own conscience. Do you WANT to be found equal with other men? Do you WANT to be able to love all people? Do you WANT fellowship with your neighbour and not just your family? And to fellowship with your neighbour as though they WERE family? ILife, salvation, and all these things are matters of the heart. If you don't think you are wrong, you will naturally want to stay away from God who is openly telling you that "You are wrong." You don't yoke yourself up with people you don't agree with. So why would you yoke yourself up to God if you disagree with what He thinks about things? For a Man to come to God is for him to leave his old self behind and become different. As it is written: "Crucify the old man". And by "old man", it means the old you.

"Amusing" is believing that your "intelligence" changes anything in life and in the grand scheme of things. Whether you believed in God or not, there is one thing that is certain. And that is the fact that we Men are dust. If God lives (and I believe He does), then we are nothing by comparison. If God did not live, then again we are nothing but even more insignificant considering there is no purpose to all of this. And I REALLY don't need that "Life is what you make it!" garbage. It's absolute nonsense and dribble. People often say "In a hundred years, nobody will even remember your name." Well I say "It doesn't matter if they DID remember your name in a hundred years. Eventually the universe will collapse and this will all be gone anyway." And if not, the sun will "explode" and consume the Earth killing us all and our history. We are nothing. Your intelligence is irrelevant.

Gods got dubs, means he holds all our sin he’s forgiving. Oh boy, let’s roll and see if I’m a heathen

Later that day on some church message board:

>Today I brought the word of God to a lost tribe in the Amazon who has been cut off from the rest of the world for centuries
>Today I brought the word of God to an obscure African village who had never seen a white man before now
>What about you brother user, where did your missionary work take you?
>I bRaVeD tHe WiLd CoCk JuNgLeS oF Yas Forums!

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Hey, each one of us has his challenge. The interesting thing is that those monkey men in the jungle live with more honour and integrity than the try-hard, race-baiting, trap-beating, neckbeards that use this board. But I love you all anyway. That's why I'm here. Those men who live in mud huts are fathers and men who hunt their own food. Show me a man here that lives with the bravery it requires to endure the environments they hail from. I honestly don't understand who you are trying to make fun of. I see you pointing fingers at "lesser men" but all the while you are the one who has nothing going on.

You dodged my point.

But I will add the "choice" not to prevent my actions is absolutely on if you chose not to, just as I'm responsible for the action itself - according to my own viewpoint.

From the viewpoint of an existing God with a divine plan - free will doesn't exist, only the illusion of it. It would then be on God that you failed to act and it was on God that I did act.

>And what is God's plan according to you?
I don't believe there is a God, thusly I don't believe there's a plan. But that isn't relevant to my argument that if there is a God and it has a plan free will cannot exist.

>Is it His plan that the world should be as it is?
If the world is not as God intended has God failed to create a world according to Its plan?

>God's plan is for all to come to salvation.
But not ALL will. Has God's plan failed before even coming to fruition or is your interpretation of the plan incorrect? Or is God fallible? Does God not know the outcome of what he put forth already? If he knows the outcome and that not all will be saved why would his plan be that all are saved when God could have easily made it so?

Fucking got me

Wtf. Did not say a single word even slightly implying any kind of insult towards “monkey men”. You have some serious issues if that’s all you took away from that post. It was very, very clearly directly insulting you and your lazy couch crusading.

Anyway, you’re either mentally deranged or doing some seriously dedicated trolling here and I’m not interested in feeding either anymore so goodbye and goooood luck! Hope you find the cock you’re looking for!

Rolling to be a sinner

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What are you doing today user? Personal question. And whatever it is, I ask you, DON'T do it. For me. When anyone asks "Why can't you make it?" or "What is stopping you?" Tell them it's me. Tell them you are trying to hold to a promise you made to me. If they should pressure you into breaking your promise to me, what will you do? You gave me your word that you would hold to that promise, but will you? What will you do under the pressure? Do you have a choice? Judge in your heart what is more important: Keeping your promise to me, or making everyone else feel better by breaking that promise to me? It is always up to you whether or not you will hold to what you say. And if you should break your promise to me, would you want my forgiveness? Or will you give me excuses? "I HAD to... You understand, right?" Oh I understand. I understand that you told me you would do something and you didn't do it. And when I would have forgiven you, you told me lies. When God gives us a command, it is up to us whether or not we will follow it. But, if we should break those commands, what will we do? Will we say "Well yeah, but... This is why see..." Or will we do honourably and admit that we were wrong and that we could have done better? Man makes excuse after excuse, but he never fesses up. We don't want to be humble and that is our problem. We figure it's better to give our lame excuses in the hopes that the other person just "gets it" so we can move on with our reputation in tact. While can get away with this to an extent with each other, we will not be reconciled to God this way. There is no denying that we will have influences in our lives. There will always be outside forces and factors at work, influencing our decisions. But that does not, will not, and never has been out of our power. People think that God will hate them for the decisions they made in ignorance. Accept that you were ignorant, embrace the change in new found understanding, and move on.

Get

Pretty sure they're having a divide-by-zero moment. Soon as the ears stop smoking they'll probably ignore my concerns about how a Creator can know the outcome of their creation if their creation has truly free will once more. Then disregard my remaining questions to spout some more nonsense about how I don't want to yolk myself up to skydaddy. Getting some creepy zoo/bondage vibes from that, maybe to be expected from people that want to be sheep. Does your God speak to you with a Scottish or Welsh accent, me botherer?

>have to check my own dubs in a checkem thread

Lame

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>When God gives us a command, it is up to us whether or not we will follow it.
Whole lotta buildup to dodge my questions again and make another variation on the statements I'm questioning, but I'll try asking once more and then I'm out.

Did Gid create and set into motion all of creation? If "yes":

Is God omniscient and does God already know everything which will occur in creation? If "yes":

Does God know whether or not I'll obey a command before it is ever given to me? If "yes":

Do I have "free will" if the God who made all of creation, myself included, knew in advance whether or not I, part of God's creation, would obey a command?

If God exists, having set everything into motion, and knew when doing so I would come to exist and choose to reject the very notion of a God: Did God choose for me to choose to reject God? Did I really have a choice then?

I expect you'll ignore the questions again. The problem with botherers and trolls is you can't tell them apart and they'll both keep going tik they're bored, and I'm already there. If you choose to reply make this last one a good one because I'm not even skimming if I see any more pointless drivel.

>Do I have "free will" if the God who made all of creation, myself included, knew in advance whether or not I, part of God's creation, would obey a command?

I don't understand how it can be misunderstood. I really don't think that is the real question atheists are asking. Seriously. Atheists are trying to find an error in Christianity. So they invent one. And what is this invention? Oh, that's very simple. "God created everything, and knows precisely what will happen. When I make a decision, God knew I would do that, right or wrong, and so it is not really my fault. It's not my fault because God knew I was going to do it." What is that? You know there are laws, correct? If you commit a crime in your country, you know you will face prosecution if you are caught. You know the law, you know how the State feels about it, you know you are told NOT the do it. So when you DO IT ANYWAY, what are you suggesting? They should have minority reported you? oh but if they did that, it was all a part of the plan, yes? So it wouldn't matter what happened in life. You are totally exempt and removed from all responsibility because God knew you were going to do it but didn't stop you. Ah yes. Of course if He WERE to stop you from doing what you wanted to do, it would STILL be evil to you because then He wouldn't LET you do it. Man atheism must be fun. All the fun of pointing fingers except for when they are pointed at you. I have been an alcoholic for nearly 10 years. I have masturbated to straight and gay porn. I discovered my foot fetish with my SISTER when I was only 5 years old.I did coke with my uncle when I was 18. I popped pills, I've hoped that people I hated would die horrible deaths, I had a 3-way with a married couple which means I was laiing with another man's wife. I used to be a Devil worshiper and a Pagan before coming to my faith in Jesus Christ. What do I have to do to make it abundantly clear to you that these decisions were MINE TO MAKE AND I MADE THEM.

Ha. Told you he was a faggot.

God knowing I was going to do anything I ever did does not REMOVE ME from responsibility. And in confessing all of my sins to you and others, will you make yourselves hypocrites and judge me for my sins? I mean come on. Do you think I am sitting here trying to convert all of you because I think I am "holier than thou"? GET REAL. I may not be as bad as some, but I am willing to bet that I would make some of you look like Nuns and Virgins. Wake up.

God cursed that black guy just for being black
>God is racist

Absolve me...

>I don't understand
You could have stopped here, but thank you for putting the drivel at the end this time. I stopped a few sentences in.

If you're not a troll I think you do understand and it's conflicting with your worldview which is why you refuse to answer the question directly. I'll answer the question for you: There is no free will if God knows all; the past, present and future of creation.

>God knew I would do that, right or wrong, and so it is not really my fault.
To be more precise "God always knew I would do that. God created me knowing I would do that. God created me knowing whether or not I would repent for that. God created me knowing some Bible thumper would come along and 'give me the choice of salvation' and God created me knowing I would reject that 'choice.' because God already knew when he created me I'd be off to the lake of fire and never could be saved."

This had fuckall to do with atheism other than my mentioning once I don't believe. It had everything to do with giving you the opportunity to explain how the predetermined could allow for free will. You chose to go on tangents and draw irrelevant parallels.

I appreciate the fact that you at least said "I didn't read everything you typed" before responding to everything I typed. How will you know my answer if you've not read it? Confusing for sure.

Edit: BUT? I'll make my way out of here. I'm not going to sit here all day and debate with you. What I will say is that I hope the best for you, whoever you are. I don't agree with you at all. But that doesn't equal hating you. What a waste of my energy to sit here and hate you.

Guess I should've kept reading. Troll confirmed? Then again born again christians might be some of the biggest junkies and perverts I've ever met who'd pounce on an eightball or an eight year old if left alone with either for too long. Troll (mostly) confirmed.

I raffed.

you don't exist

>"Amusing" is believing that your "intelligence" changes anything in life
It changes a number of things in life. Not on a universal scale, but in my everyday life it allows me to achieve the things I want to, and allows me to laugh at your stupid circular thinking.
>Your intelligence is irrelevant.
As is your lack of it.

>I laughed
You lost

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My shingles?

Blasphemy

God hath mercy on my bootyhole

Based Big Bible user, showing the sinners the flaws in their logical fallacies.

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