So I'm a 23 year old guy who's in phenomenal shape, am a vegan, and take my health and fitness very seriously. Yet I've still a virgin, I think it is because of my height (5''7".) Is it true that height really is the most important factor in men getting laid? I'm so fucking sick of 6'4" Chads telling me that "oh hurr durr it doesn't matter how tall you are, just get in shape and you'll have women banging down your door" yet I literally spent years (ever since I was 18) improving my body, endlessly scouring fucking bodybuilding sites on how to improve my physique, using anabol and SARMs, etc. Yet women still ignore me / block me when they find out that I am a short male... So do you guys believe that I have no chance at ever getting laid due to my height? Or do you think that I have some other issue that is affecting women's perception of me?
So I'm a 23 year old guy who's in phenomenal shape, am a vegan, and take my health and fitness very seriously...
No, it's because you're a weird asshole.
Clearly you lack confidence.
I stopped reading at 5'7
Nothing else matters
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Alot of people asked me about how i worked out, so i added a comment to this post…so here goes:
When i first started i decided to lift 7x a week. I had no specific reason I chose this, I just wanted it to be an ever part of my life.
I decided to do my split as: Day 1: chest/triceps, Day 2: back/bicep, Day 3: legs/shoulders.
I grouped chest/triceps because bench engages your triceps some, inside grip bench engages both, dips engage both. So i saw alot of shared excercises.
Back/biceps because pull ups/chins ups engage both and rows some as well.
Legs/Shoulders: were just the leftovers and I liked the idea of grouping them as fatigue in one wouldn't affect the other muscle group
I didn't do any isolated ab work my first 3 years. This was dumb. But I had a fat stomach and I didn't really want to push my fat stomach out anymore or work on a muscle grouping that I couldn't see. Again this was all dumb, but i'm no pro about any of this.
My mentality at the time was to lift as heavy as I could. I only did 2-4 rep ranges for everything and then I just did 8-10 sets to get in the extra reps. When I was in college we always did 3 sets of 10 reps for everything. And I didn't really accomplish anything special in college my max bench was only 185, so I was ok, but I had previously never achieved anything special or even decent fitness wise. So because of that I was like F that style, let's do the opposite.
I'm 6'4", sloppy dad body, and married with 2 kids. I'm set to retire comfortably by 42.
You're doing life wrong.
This method worked well for me. I liked it, I could do many many sets of an exercise knowing I only had to push really hard for 3-4 reps. Also i really value the eccentric/negative part of a motion. Let's say you're doing a bicep curl. When you've brought it to the top, focus on lowering the weight. That should be a struggle. Don't just let gravity drop it as you barely guide it. Resist gravity as you lower it have it be a very controlled deliberate motion. You can control more weight as you lower it than when you raise it, so be certain you're taking advantage of this load you can put on your muscles. Time under tension is what we're after, we want your muscle to get fatigued and to do that, we want a long heavy load on it all the way up and down.
Currently I lift in a more 6-10 rep range, I'm really trying to focus on the "Mind-muscle-connection" where you try to really focus on a muscle as you flex it. It's hard to explain but this is the most important part of lifting. It's not about momentum or how much weight your lifting, it's how much you're working that specific muscle.
I can give you my X workout but really pick 4 exercises per body part, do 5-7 sets if you like a 6-10 rep range, and do 8-12 sets if you prefer a 2-4 rep range. Make sure you focus on the muscle, you can't just go through the motions. If your benching, think about your chest moving the weight. Your arms aren't moving it, it's all being derived from your chest.
Another really important thing to do and it sounds super douchey but it's important. You have to flex in front of the mirror. Can you flex your lat muscles? I couldn't initially. I didn't understand how to control that muscle. A lat muscle isn't something you really engage during the day. When you do pull ups or rows you are focusing on your lats. How can you fully engage a muscle if you don't know how to flex it? Same thing with abs, this has taken me forever but there are a million different ways to flex your abs. You can flex them as if you're going to take a punch, you can pull them up as if you were doing a hanging leg raise, flex them towards a side as if you were doing wipers, fold them in (as to bring the middle of your stomach inward, vacuum where you suck in your abs, as if you wanted your belly button to touch your back. Practicing these things has made a big difference.
Now when I do an ab exercise I am really in-tune with how my muscle is functioning in the movement and I'm able to make it work harder. I'm also cognizant of my abs when I squat or dead lift, I have a very strong stability in my core because of this.
This has also proven beneficial outside of the gym. I play indoor volleyball and just recently I started focusing on engaging my abs as I swing through on my serves. I've always served fairly hard but it was all arm motion. I've been training abs now for 4 years and I feel like I have very strong abs. So I started focusing on engaging my core through my swing. Suddenly I have power on my serve that I've never experienced before, it is night and day how much it's enhanced it, just by focusing on flexing my abs and engaging them.
So exercises I like, I'll just list a few that i'm routinely mixing in to my workouts
chest/triceps:
Bench, Inside Grip Bench, Incline Bench, Incline Inside Grip Bench, Dumbbell Bench, Dips, rope pull downs, tricep extensions
Back/Bicep:
Rows, deadlifts, standing lat pushdowns (i really enjoy these to warm up with), straight bar curls, rope hammer curls, preacher curls, pull ups
Legs/Shoulders:
Front raises/side raises with a dumbbell, military press, behind the head press, side/font raises with pulley, lunges, squats, front squat, leg extension, leg curl
So for 4 years or so now I've been doing abs and calves in an every other day fashion. So since i lift 7 times a week, in a 2 week period i'll have done both my abs and calves 7 times each.
I will not ever do a plank or a crunch. I feel like they're a waste of time / beginner.
so a faggot?
I'm doing life wrong because I was born at the wrong height.
I have a dad bod and I'm engaged to a complete fucking hottie — it has nothing to do with your body (unless you're obese) and everything to do with your personality.
Start working out that sense of humor Yas Forumsro
You can't lift your shitty personality away.
No. It's because you care what other people think, be it whatever girls you're trying to attract or what a bunch of faggots on b think is up.
Find your interests, work at being great at them. Mine are cooking, business building, and finance. Being good at these made me happy, confident, and apparently attractive.
People that have time to critique you aren't spending enough time working on themselves. That includes me. Be better than that.
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Im a black guy 5'8 jacked, married with hot Asian wife and have kids, and a high paying job.
I struggled for years too like you. I had a terrible and fat black ex-wife even when I was swol.
Just find a foreign wife. You will realize your sexual marketplace value is extremely high outside the US.
Good luck!
Cause girls dont really care about ur body
Spends more time looking in the mirror worrying about his appearance than a woman does. Doesn't understand why most women aren't into him. =,D
this is the shitty answer that incel OP was looking for
what is this weird meme, short guys get laid all the time. you just need a fucking personality, that's most of what will get you a girl honestly. learn to be funny and tell good stories loser
or have money - both wouldn't hurt though
being short doesn't help but the one key to nearly every pussyin the world is money. not talking about hiring escorts or hookers but women are most attracted to a man that can take care of them that and in todays world that means wealth. money offsets every physical defect you may have if you have enough of it
It's because it bothers you. That and women aren't going to approach you unless you're famous. They approach famous guys because they can approach the under the guise they want to talk about the guy's fame. That way they don't feel like filthy whores.
How do I achieve your body? Info for info. I'll give you the secret to getting women, works 99.9% of the time. Although I am 6' it should work at least 67.4% of the time for you. (I did extensive calculations on working out these percentages).
I'm 5'11, 40, in shitty shape and absolutely slay girls your age. Get smarter, get more money, get a hotter face, be more confident. Working out more won't help, faggot.
i'm 5 7" and im significantly taller the. most women around me. where do you live?
this guy may have a point
also if you're dating online you're doing it wrong
online dating is the epitome of hypergamy
even a 4/10 woman there will take no less than an 8/10 chad with three 6s
Idiots talk way too much about physical features like height and build, and money.
Let's be honest, does the gutter trash hideous drug dealer at the concert get fucked by hot chicks? Yeah. Because ultimately, he's responsible for giving them a good time. Girls want to have fun. It's corny but it's true. Represent a good time and you'll get laid effortlessly. Be a boring introvert and wonder why you never get any.
Also, is your immediate goal to lose your virginity or find a partner? the first is probably a issue of meeting women in the proper context. bars are a bad angle these days. You need a context where women go specifically to socialize.
Maybe because you have no hands
True, but being jacked often builds confidence, which is what they are attracted to. Being jacked with zero confidence means you might as well be skinny.
Look, dude, 5'7 is not abnormally short. I know guys shorter than you, who are not even fit, that get pussy.
You need to start thinking of self improvement as more than just lifting weights.
If You Go To The GymWith Other Sweaty GUYS your Gay...Prove Me Wrong!
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I'm 6'3 and I am out of shape and my girlfriend is a gorgeous girl 12 years younger than me. Life is amazing. It's easy to charm women.
you are hyper focused on your height and it makes you seem desperate. however, at the same time if you are fishing for women who overly value physical apperance they will reject you because of your height, the same way gold diggers will reject you if you aren't pulling enough cash to baby them.
step 1. come to grips with your height. if you can't change it don't worry about it. there are so many women who date short guys. hell, you could pull in a hot latina or phillipino easy as long as you aren't a total piece of shit.
step 2. learn how to flirt. go watch some craig furgeson interviews with women on his late night show. pay attention to how he exudes confidence and male sexual energy at the same time and how women respond to it. this will draw both your own and others attention to your personality. no one is going to stick with you because of how much you deadlift or bench. your physique is the cherry on top and not the rest of the sundae.
step 3. CHILL THE FUCK OUT. women smell desperation a mile away and it is repulsive to them. you are tying your own noose by being desperate. if you are visiting any incel boards or looking for posts about manlets GET OUT OF THEM. you are poisoning your own mind and setting yourself for defeat. those people aren't anything like you because they have already given up and are lazy fucks. you clearly aren't
Sounds like its probably your personality that needs work.
Do you even approach girls?
For the most part even gigachads are the ones who make the first move.
Also, find a short girl if you're so worried about height.
Oldfag here - let me pass along some wisdom.
No one outside of a gym rat gives a fuck about your workout routine. I know it’s important to you and that’s great but if you’re talking all about exercise women will tune you out.
Same for being a vegan - no one fucking cares. Bringing it up makes you come across as an even bigger douche canoe.
And your biggest fail? You keep talking about yourself. Women hate that shit. Let them do all the talking. Listen and pretend to give a fuck. All the superficial cunts that only care about looks will fuck you because you’re in shape and listen to their bullshit drama.
When you’re mature enough to have a real conversation you’ll figure out you start by listening then share a bit of your own journey, and go from there. That’s when you might actually find a real relationship.
Good luck out there.
I'm 5'7 and I've banged a lot of chics. Clearly you have no game. Or, maybe you're gay.
Work on your personality bruh, 5'4 manlet reporting. Been with somewhere over 20 and now married
Not having “height” or money is just the no pussy getting beta’s excuse. Confidence and setting goals for yourself. That’s all it takes OP. If you exude confidence (not cockiness) and have goals (life goals career etc) then you don’t have to chase women they’ll come to you. That’s why there’s the old saying you’ll lose a lot of money chasing women but never any women chasing money. It’s not the money it’s the focus/determination that turns women on.
What is shitty about living like a king?!
You sound salty or jealous.
Sounds like OP has a shit personality. Have you tried not being an incel?
I'm 5'3 and I get laid all the time. It helps not being a complete fucking twat.
No chance, small boy.
Your body is great!
- definitely personality problems
- face isn't 10/10 but most dudes aren't
- short af
You can change 1 of these things my man. Do it
>me
>22, 5'7"
>not a vegan
>don't work out as much as I should
>7/10 on a good day
>still not a virgin
there's gotta be something else, fold those layers back further and self-examine
Women don't work the same way as men. For women social status is the most important, also charisma. Looks just add an extra bonus. Also most women like light muscular persons and not fucking animals.
So your problem is that you have no charisma or friends. It has nothing to do with how you look. Also you lack self confidence which makes you even lack more charisma.
Super salty. 5'3 chubby white boi married to a decent philippina. No americana plz and thx
I'd let you fuck me
Of course I'm a dude but still
Am older but perhaps that doesn't mean wiser.
I do however have some experience with the same thing. Women are attracted to many different things. A mans body is one of them, however some women prefer an attitude, or some like long hair on guys or some like guys with a particular social standing, some just like guys who flaunt wealth.
Truth is if you really want to get laid the best way to attract women is to not need them. Like honestly, when I didnt give a fuck i got laid heaps. It was when I cared its like women sense that shit, when I acted like all i wanted was a bang, not treat them badly but certainly not flatter them or pander to them I got laid fucking heaps and with diff girls I wasnt chasing the cream of the crop either, I was always after the middle one because they are easy and they want the attention their hotter friend gets.
Got a wife now tho so those days are over, just know bro be your self, love yourself, respect yourself and the shit comes. Honestly, when you least expect it.
Goodluck my bro and keep your head up, many guys have been where you have just dont think too hard. Just wait till you are over the meaningless sex and just want someone you can count on who doesnt make your life harder.
Most women don't want men who look better then they do. Gain some weight, stop taking life so seriously in ALL aspects. Women need the comfort of tge ability to fail, a six pack means discipline and insinuates that one must not "fail" to keep ones body at perfection.
Be comforting, grow a belly and a beard and drink beer.
I believe you people pronounce it "kangs and sheeeit".
Well...
This essentially.
Everyone who told you to get fit were sending you on a snipe hunt. In truth you're just unattractive. Which isn't a height thing, but a combination of appearance and personality.
I dont know what you look like, but the first thing I'd recommend is to relax, drop the vegan thing if it's not too late, and just make friends with girls you're not looking to sleep with. After enough time ask them if you come across as gay enough, and they might introduce you to one of their other fag friends. Problem solved.
I'm shorter than you, in worse shape than you, and I've slept with over 50 women. Good lucks and personality count for a LOT.
>This
its cos your vegan and probs drink soya
therefore your estrogen levels are around 100X higher than a regular man
meaning most males are basically more alpha than you.
Women can also smell pheromones on a man which attracts them to a man, however due to your soiboi diet you will be releasing a more feminine scent, meaning women are more likely to see you as a friend rather than a potential partner.
basically, stop being a faggot and eat steak
6'3" tallfag reporting. Find yourself a QT short girl and problem solved. Go live in a hobbit hole down by the river and live happily ever after and watch out for magic rings.
Lel I could rest my titties on your shoulders I bet.
You can't change your face or height, so stop being a queef and see how that helps
Are you shooting for women that are 8/10? Maybe you should go with bitches who are 6 or 7s. Lower your standard... 6 or 7s are better than beating off.
I don't think I'd be able to move out of the US, unfortunately. But I appreciate the advice, my fellow manlet.
Soy boy ... period
thanksa mate, what do you do for ab workouts?
OP here, it's not a "meme". I am living this reality every fucking day.