Are you based enough to know politics isn't real?

Are you based enough to know politics isn't real?

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>liberal arts bad

based and STEM pilled, praise Elon

All I know is that this is a board for video games.

I hate twitterites. Not saying he isn't incorrect though. But still... fuck that piece of shit.

Fuck off.

He's incorrect though

Politics always exist in entertainment.

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literally, metaphorically, and figuratively do not not fucking care

Why are people so disingenuous when this debate comes up?

Thats just a you problem, getting entertained by politics.

Just because you don't like the current people in charge of the country doesn't mean it's all a play like a Shakespeare play. And all politicians and sports stars are definitely not actors and we 100% DO NOT live in a one world government!

umm sorry sweatie everything is political :) i know this because a friend told me

Everyone sees what he wants to see. Food always exists in entertainment too but you don't even notice it or start to talk about the culinary details of the fantasy world. You want politics, you see politics.

>"scifi isn't politics"
>remembers that episode of ST:TNG where Wesley saves the literal Space Indians from being Space-Trail of Tears'd from their planet by basically being a whiny sjw asshole.
>and that episode where Wesley saved everyone from the evils of Space-drug addiction by being a whiny sjw asshole
>and that ST movie that was 2 hours of preaching about whale habitat destruction but no one minds because it was kind of funny
>or that other ST movie that was 2 hours of preaching about the war on terror but no one even noticed because of how incredibly godawful it was

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>frogshit twitch emote

Shut up Wesley

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inserting political ideologies is fine but please for the love of god fuck off with obvious american politics inserts like inserting trump like characters, quotes etc

science fiction an fantasy often allows for political scenarios to be explored without referencing real world events. it allows us to explore issues and scenarios in their extremes. it wont always be commentary on the real world, but to outright deny how important role fiction as a whole played in political commentary is just ignorance to the extreme.

I wonder what Tolkien was talking about with the LOTR series. Surely it had zero to do with him experiences with war.

i like Trek, its entertaining, not the new stuff. but it is a sjw show and has always been that way.

this will never happen
americans believe everything is about them

This but unironically.

What's wrong with that? It just so happens that Trump fits the "manic tyrant" role perfectly.

Jesus Christ, how do you honestly write shit like that and not feel like a complete tool? How do you deny writers using real-life experiences to create fiction and in turn using fiction to analyze and comment on real life? Fucking hell.

>tyrant
>can't fucking get anything done because no one wants to work with him

ok retard

i wish, if only your delusions would become reality.

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Based posts

dial 8

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Read a book

Agree with that fag. Imagine if real Nazis took their cues from Wolfenstein Nazis. They'd be unstoppable. Imagine if people took cues from literally just about any vidya. Far Cry for example. Holy shit.

Maybe if the purpose of the story is to be political commentary. Otherwise you're just forcing it because you're obsessed. If the purpose of the fictional work is telling a love story, or a hero's adventure then talking about politics is idiotic. Sure a guy and a girl existing in an empty vacuum would be weird, the world will have governments, food, agriculture, buildings, transport, trade but those are just placed there to be scenery, they're not the focal point. The author will obviously use an existing type of government, he won't make up an entire governing system just so he can tell a story about a knight falling in love with a wizard girl. Taking that and going "oh my god political commentary!!!!" is fucking retarded and obsessed.

The spot where that sort of political commentary often fails is when the creators make their fantasy/scifi world both escapist and political at the same time. Like universes where there is absolute gender equality but creator still wants to insert some sort of muh patriarchy scenarios in it which just feels out of place.

nice finger, now look at my hat

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>Fiction is an escape from reality
I fucking hate this stupid meme

Both are fuckretarded takes, it isn't fucking black or white, a story can be fictional and contain themes that relate to our world and viceversa.
The problem with politics in media is how preachy the author is, if they beat you over the head with their views, trying to sell you something or painting "the other side" as indisputably evil or complete strawmans of what the differing views are actually like, that's when it is a problem, and many modern stories are like that, that's what people don't like, the lack of nuance.

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>Politics cannot or shouldnt exist in a fantasy or sci-fi setting
twitter randos at it again i see
man this dude gonna be real disappointed if he decides to ever read a fuckin book

Both twittertards need to be gassed. The problem isn't that there are politics set in a fictional world, it's how they're utilized. When people have a problem with it, it's usually because it is directly related to current events and is very one-sided lazy punching bag bullshit. Here's a good video that shows the difference between nuanced characters/motivations that people enjoy, compared against lazy strawmen lacking any obvious humanity: youtu.be/AfSszhlZVoU

Yeah guys remember that magic ring from the world war? And all those elves and shit? That was crazy

youre delusional.

Yeah I remember the Black Obelisk of Barad-dûr that the Germans erected on Paris. My favourite part of the war.

Of all the people Tolkien was most definitely politically orientated, he was against industrialisation. He was the Miyazaki type "nature good, industry bad" guy.

The war definitely influenced some parts of TLOTR: Sam and the Dead Marshes are the most obvious, if not the only examples.

Politics in entertainment is fine as long as it adds an interesting dynamic to it. Putting in a political agenda into entertainment based on the writer’s own bias is not fine and is a sign of a shitty writer. That’s the simplest way I can put it. The guy in your image is wrong, anyway. Sci-Fi and Fantasy stories have always been based on real-world politics, but as says everyone interprets things differently and that’s why writers shouldn’t be biased as it helps the viewer draw a more informed conclusion instead of being purely indoctrinated.

I hope my schizo rambling makes sense

He himself always insisted that his books contain no allegories or politics, but it's pretty obvious that especially Saruman and his treason were inspired by Nazi Germany. Tolkien was extremely disappointed and depressed when Europeans started to abandon traditional monarchies for totalitarism.

What a bunch of fart sniffing faggots.

Do not presume to tell people what the "point" of the shit is they make is.

"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author."

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I thought the post-impeachment narrative was that Trump is a literal King now who can't be stopped.

>>can't fucking get anything done because no one wants to work with him
>won election without the approval of the 'establishment' or even his own party and fended off a 3 year shitstorm of butthurt retaliatory propaganda designed to end him
>seized control of the GOP and made his intraparty enemies absolutely irrelevant
>built wall without congress
>defused NK situation by refusing to follow conventional wisdom
>ended military presence in Syria and got impeached by deep state neocons in retaliation
>ended war in Afghanistan
>drove the entire media and democratic party literally insane, as shown by their presumptive nominee

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theres no such thing as being a-political

>that's what people don't like, the lack of nuance.
I'll go for this. You want to do a story that has immigration as a central theme then that's fine, you can discuss the positives and negatives regarding each stance on the issue in the context of the game environment. When you distill it to 'THE EVIL KING DRUMPF IS BUILDING A WALL TO KEEP THE NOBLE KOBOLDS OUT. PLEASE DESTROY THE WALL TO HELP THE NOBLE KOBOLDS' all immersion is gone because the gameworld only exists to be the creators soapbox so fuck saving it.

Tolkien himself said that he didn't like allegory writing and that people shouldn't look for hints of real life on his works.

>Write something
>Insist over and over again that it contains no trace of real life politics or allegories
>People continue to claim it does, disregarding whatever I say
Kill yourself.

Commies would love (or hate?) the Fuka and Desco show.

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based

'Aslan was totally Jesus'

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Artists don’t have any control over how their work is interpreted, and usually certain things come out subconsciously when an artist creates something

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>Not ending in 0
Whoever made this is an absolute retard

>i just failed math because i'm too creative, not because i'm retarded

politics are gay and so are you if you care for then

Artists have complete control over what their work truly means.
I make a story about an evil overlord oppressing some poor folks and some lard, obese, barely-breathing american a thousand miles claims it's about Trump then I have every right to call him a fucking retard and tell him that his stupid interpretation is wrong.

He is right, though. That's why based Tolkien is still relevant while JK ROWLING desperately grasps for attention on Twitter.

People obsessed with politics are way too quick to see a bias or an agenda everywhere anyways. Both sjws and Yas Forumstards will start raging about the most inane tiny details saying that it's an "agenda" when it isn't.
Ultimately 5 people can walk down the same street and see 5 different things. Someone who's interested in clothes will notice what clothes everyone is wearing, someone interested in transport will notice the roads and the carts, someone interested in food will notice what everyone is eating, someone interested in romance will notice the couples, and someone interested in politics will notice the badges the policemen are wearing.
There's politics in everything, but there's also clothes, food, transport and a million other things in everything. The fact that someone only notices politics just tells that he's obsessed with politics.

J.K. Rowling and her little make believe WW2 ruined writing, prove me wrong.

No, they don’t. There’s never a true meaning to art. That’s the whole fucking point of it. Artists never have full control over what they make or how it’s interpreted and never will

Games that make their own politcs aren't what people talk about when they say they don't want politics.
Also, really getting tired of retards who believe it's literally impossible to make a game without politics and it's somehow inherently ingrained into the genre.

It wasn't in the books. The nazi stuff in Harry Potter was only in the movies.

Sorry, I was thinking about how to introduce contemporary political issues into a game about fantastical demon hierarchies, plip!

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>Literary analysis in general is deeply disrespectful
It baffles me how people to this day still holds such brainlet views. All literary analysis is is basically to try reading a piece of writing through a scientific lens. There's no inherent values or opinions in the act of analysis other than trying to dissect and get an idea of the themes, execution and structure of the work.
He's basically saying that trying to get a deeper understanding of something instead of just taking everything at face value is disrespectful. Is this how people stay ignorant?

So if I claim that Tolkien (A british man that lived a century ago and did not live to see the modern day) is about Pinochet's dictatorship on Chile, an even that happened 9 days after Tolkien died, then my view is as valid as someone who says that I'm fucking retarded?
Nice, but I'm gonna go with the "you're fucking retarded" explanation, sorry.

>it's another "games are political" episode
The Painkiller dev wrote something good about this, read it you uncultured retards:
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You’re right, but there are definitely writers who insert their own political biases into their works and try to manipulate their audience into believing the same things as them. Watch literally anything made by the BBC, or some old western movies if you want an example of a right-wing bias

>here's a story where a girl is trying to survive in a post apocalyptic world
>well, it has black people so it's clearly sjw neo marxist communist liberal drivel :)
nice "analysis" and "deeper understanding"

I would help Usalia with the issue of declining population among younger demographics compared to the burgeoning size of the older cohort if you know what I mean.

Not him, but you're dumb. There's a lot of art with different purposes and some of them manipulate what the viewers will think. That's why commercials exist in visual form.

Its funny. They would be glad Fuka would champion Prinny rights, then horrified because of the heist she did would be like saying "socialists are thieves."

>he unironically believes no universal interpretation = one view is as good as any other

Oh no no no no

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There’s misinformed interpretations but no wrong ones and the inverse is true. It’s much easier to enjoy art when you try to become informed on what a work is trying to convey but also feel comfort in your own opinions and interpretations. Looking for an objective meaning is completely pointless when everybody has different brains

I legitimately don't get the point you're trying to make. That an analysis can be wrong or influenced by personal belief? Yea, obviously it can. That's not the fault of literary analysis, that's the fault of the person doing the analysis failing to do it properly and putting their own views into it instead of trying as hard as possible to keep it objective and in line with what the author tried to express.

Again it's just what you're seeing into it. Western movies also had people eating snakes and lizards all the time. Was it all propaganda by the snake meat sellers all along? Or the cowboy hats are product placement by the cowboy hat manufacturing lobby? Yeah, I think not. You can see anything as "normalising" a behavior if you really want to and then craft conspiracies around it.

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Great, agreed. But from there to "this is what the author meant when he was writing this, he just didn't know it yet" there's a massive abyss filled with ego and the idea that you somehow know better than the person who wrote the fucking book.

>politics
>objectivity
lol yeah like that's ever gonna work, better off not even "analysing" it at that point

>'All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison.'
Dr P bringing the wisdom.

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God, imagine being a disingenuous faggot like this. Obviously no-one means that every single detail has a hidden meaning, they’re usully found in the larger themes and messages in the works.

Wait, do you legitimately believe "analysis" means there has to be a political meaning? Are you aware an analysis has no inherent need for any political substance at all?

>Or the cowboy hats are product placement by the cowboy hat manufacturing lobby? Yeah, I think not. You can see anything as "normalising" a behavior if you really want to and then craft conspiracies around it.
Actually yes, cowboy movies were heavily used as propaganda by tobacco and alcohol industry.

Why even bother examining or thinking about something that can’t have an objective answer? If there is no definite answer to be found, the question is meaningless.

Imagine being a faggot who's obsessed with politics like you. And you make every single detail into a large theme and message. Because you're obsessed with it.

I wish that someone would come and kill you, you brainwashed leftist faggot.

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So what's the point of /trash/ now then?