Why do women pretend to understand masculinity? I see this a lot on youtube videos and social media regarding women defending men's rights. I don't necessarily think defending us socially is wrong, but most of that defense emphasises on criticism of men's interaction with other men, and the "toxic masculinity" perpetuated by men over the course of history.
>It's okay for men to cry Yeah, sure, I guess. However, what is the point of it? Crying over a certain issue doesn't solve anything and may in fact make someone feel more self pity than actually encourage them to be more virtuous (I see this a lot here in /r9k with all the "tfw" and "cried in my sleep tonight" threads). >Men should express their hardships more Why? I find it much more gratifying to make peace with my own thoughts, because I understand myself much better than any other person. When I was much more depressed in my late teens, going to my therapist (who happened to be a woman) didn't help me at all and only made me feel more miserable. Reading philosopy and actually seeking to improve myself is what filled the void, not some counseling bullshit or antidepressants.
The last time I visited Reddit it was filled with threads of men lamenting this stuff, not women. Men who bitch and moan about toxic masculinity and not being allowed to cry, alleging a nonexistent support system, a thrown-to-the-dogs stigma mercilessly enforced unto men. I dont hear women saying anything about it actually
Mason Peterson
There's a level to machismo that's retarded that makes guys do shit like Russian roulette. There's a bunch of backhanded backwards actions bad women do that's even more disgusting. We live in a feminine society and the masculine part of the human spirit is being thoroughly attacked. Men need to be comforted when they're in pain like everyone, but that doesn't mean they have to be weak. It's letting someone patch the holes up on your ship's hull as opposed to spending your whole life on a dry dock or sinking. If you've studied philosophy you know virtues are means between vices. Wisdom is seeing the value in both and knowing your place. Also massive props user, not enough people see things this way and it's important.
>Thoughts on this? the only aspect of "toxic masculinity" I think they are right on is men not seeking help out of shame for being perceived as weak, unmasculine etc. They have a point, but that is never going to change.
Other than that, taking your cues from women specially with what they say, on what it means to be masculine or what it means to be a man is retarded.
Luis Torres
I don't necessarily take to heart what a woman's definition of what a man should be. I simply find it irritating to hear so many misinterpretations of the reasons for male distress.
A great response, thank you.
Ian Johnson
Men don't even understand masculinity. The whole concept of masculity and femininity is hidden, unless you go looking for it.
Blake Wright
>I simply find it irritating to hear so many misinterpretations of the reasons for male distress.
Yet you take the argument to a board of male misogynists who will just echo your sentiments, instead of actually attacking so called 'misinterpretations' at the source. I don't know how you reconcile the idea that you are masculine with the fact that you are taking your argument to an echo chamber where the opposing side can't even see it. Literally running away from confrontation into mommy Yas Forums's supportive bossom
Kayden Rivera
I have attempted to discuss this on social media and with my mother and a couple of female acquaintances, to very little results of course. I also don't think a lot of men on Yas Forums will agree with me, since this board is littered with the self-pity aspect I addressed in my post. I also wanted to get some actual discussion going on.
Juan Fisher
Masculinity is pretty toxic in the long run. Almost all of your habits lead to some one elses pain or misfortune.
We try to encourage you down another path and you reject it. Your loss I suppose, just don't cause trouble for others.
Aiden Bennett
>why do women pretend to understand masculinity
do get into our wallets. "poor men they struggle with issues teehee now give me your money simp"
Brody Bailey
this Almost everything equate to practical benefit for a woman...
Nolan Moore
Sure, let's go discuss it on reddit where it'll just get downvoted into oblivion and he'll have about a thousand male feminists dogpile him with smugposts.
Parker White
this is original and important
Carson Sanchez
The "toxic" aspects to masculinity are daisy-chained with the aspects that keep the world turning. If every male on the planet ignored their biological nature and concerned themselves day-in, day-out with how "toxic" they were being, the world would completely shut down. Women themselves feed into and reward "toxic" male behavior, so it's obviously not going to go away.
Alexander Taylor
I agree, OP. I always get quite annoyed at the rather common feminist canard about how "men don't express their emotions enough" or "men live in a society that disallows them from showing their feelings..." But since when did say, crying and vulnerable sensitivity become the ONLY feelings that are important? Men express emotions *constantly*, and there are oftentimes the emotions that keep the human species alive, yet apparently none of them are quite as important as the option to... Cry. What's particularly funny is it's usually feminist men I see saying this stuff.
I don't even disagree with it in principle, it WOULD be nice if we lived in a world where men were allowed to be a little more open with their feelings without being judged for it, and I can't deny a lot of other men do piss me off in a way that is quite intrinsic to men, but the reality is that men don't WANT to stop acting that way, myself included. And even then it's not all bad, for all the guys that irritate me, there are also guys I meet who express masculine traits in a more positive way that makes me like them and become their friends. Whereas I could never see myself becoming friends with a guy who wants to just castrate himself (even though I may feel a desire to at least help him, or try to help him).
Even some of the weakest men want to express dominance and a self-actualized control over themselves, very few men WANT to be the weakling who lets everybody take care of shit for him. WOMEN don't even want this, if I cried as much as my fucking ex used to she would've dumped me on the spot.
I wish I had a mommy gf who would let me mumble into her supportive bosom
William Powell
OP it has never affected me because I reject the sexual dimorphic dichotomy. Emotion has its place and so does rationalism. However, only the emotionally sensitive can use emotion as a way to communicate. A hyper-emotionally callous person cannot communicate with emotions.
Cooper Thompson
just go on grindr and get TOPPED by a real masculine man
Nicholas Parker
Women are the ones who enforce "toxic masculinity" by fucking men with those traits.
Henry Sullivan
Obviously because thats the only stuff that concerns them. The failure to communicate emotionally affects relationships, and thats as far as their concern for men go.
Masculinity is anti-toxic, retard. If you ever known a truly masculine person, they don't play mind games or give a fuck about the status quo. They will say what they think either because it's the truth or just out of honesty and are not afraid to put you into your place if you think you have something over someone. People who have a problem with these kinds of people are the actual toxic ones.
>Masculinity antitoxic >Literally banned/quarantined on the majority of social platforms
Keep telling yourself you aren't doing some thing wrong though. That's the masculine thing to do I assume.
Jacob Watson
Not him Exactly, we are who we are because thats what the world needed before humans were 8 billion strong with walls and weapons and light.
Now we are in a strange time where a fat tranny can go fight a war and policies and feelings run the world.
Dylan Gomez
No shit it gets banned. No fucking shit, when the majority of people online are brainwashed feminist liberals. Simply saying your unpopular opinion is considered "toxic". What is that trying to prove, that you can't handle me?
Andrew Ross
Honestly, the men talking about masculinity being attacked are blowing it out of proportion. Masculine virtues are not and have never been under attack, but your use of "machismo" hits the nail on the head perfectly on what is being targeted. No one wants a man to be a hypersensitive pussy, but a dude that fully represses every negative emotion aside from anger ends up being a liability to himself and others. Machismo retards frequently end up being violent, evil shitstains.
Jordan Rodriguez
>Masculinity is anti-toxic Guess that's why every hyper-patriarchal culture ends up being a violent, pedophilic distopia and an utter shithole
Benjamin Green
>Why do women pretend to understand masculinity? It is just another manifestation of the Dunning Kruger effect. They don't know enough to understand how little they actually understand.
You see something very similar on the flip side with certain "dating coach" type people who demonstrate that a little bit of knowledge (in this case on female nature) is a dangerous thing.
Then again I have for the most part found the men's rights movement to be a ineffective joke that has made basically no progress towards their goals, then taken over by women and branded as a hate group by the mainstream despite doing everything in their power to bend over backwards for acceptance. They are failures and should be largely ignored at this point. The only valid people I see in left in the whole "manosphere" is MGTOW.
Angel Martin
And yet it still turns out better then female run societies. Societies that they can't even build themselves.
Nolan Walker
Now you're conflating masculinity with barbaric behavior. That's your brain on modern education. There's nothing violent a masculine person would do to you unless you assaulted him or a loved one, and the perpetrators in question are the neurotic "toxic" types who are low IQ subhumans that feel the need to silence and control you.
Lincoln Myers
>You need to be MAN!...but not that much.
No sorry sweetie it doesnt work that way.
Oliver Turner
So now youre saying you dont find it hot when a man forces you down and chokes you while he fucks the shit out of you
Parker James
i think thats a pretty good way of putting it, i feel the same way OP. a lot of women assume that they know why men do the things that they do, but i don't think that they do. i think it's inherently harder for them to understand men because theyre not men. they don;t have the same mentality as men to. and thats not a cultural thing either, it's practically genetic, or maybe hormonal.
Austin Gomez
Women have no right to comment on masculinity or male problems. Just as Men arent allowed to tell women how to act or feel, they can stfu about Man shit.
That aside, Men dont want to cry. We cry because we've indoctrinated over 2 generations to think that sensitivity is sexy, cute or healthy for men to do. Its not the case. The best thing for a man to do when hes feeling down is punch a punching bag or someones face. >VIOLENCE IS BAD REEE! Its not,it serves a function. The reason women say that hate violence in men isnt because they are scared of violence, they are scared of the power men are capable of wielding and they dont us knowing it.
100+ years ago men went to war, drank every day, fought each other,played full contact sport, smoked and generally didnt give a shit about anything. Sure they had emotions and issuse but they kept it to themsleves. Why? Because thats what men fucking do. How the fuck is talking to your wife about what happened on the Somme in 1916 where your whole battalion was killed except you gona solve anything? Shes not gona understand. The only ones who do are the guys in the ground and the other veterans who also dont talk about their shit.
The only time Men are allowed to cry is when theres something wrong with our dicks or balls, a parent dies or our dog die. Even in battle you keep your shit together, everyone else is afraid too. Being a useless cry baby wont keep you alive.
Well we are physiologically different and it is objective fact that generally we thing and communicate differently in part due to structural differences in the brain.
The problem is that old cultural marxist myth of everyone being the same, along with the long debunked blank slate theory. Turns out that on a fundamental biological level men and women are different, causing them to think and behave differently from each other. How something so obvious can be denied with a straight face makes me wonder.
Thomas Russell
Typical fucking roastoid going for the balls. >Huur if you complain or try to stand up toinjustices men face that means youre not a real man >Lay down a take it! >Thats what real men do!
If you were standing in a room with all of us now you wouldnt say jack shit. Get off my fucking board.
