There's literally nothing more cringe than some genetic dead end loser trying to "self improve" or go "mgtow" to fit into society. It's like they're so far off the mark I don't even know where to begin with them. The average person, and even the above average, just exist and the things that you consider "normal" just happen to them. No high schooler ever had to "self improve" to get a girlfriend, he just existed, thought it would be cool and fun to play sports, and a girl was attracted to him and they gravitated towards each other. There's no thought out into any of this, these things just happened through the natural flow of life, no "self improvement" necessary. That's what happens when you're not a genetic dead end or a mentally ill freak, you don't ever find yourself one night lying in bed alone wondering why you don't have a single friend or you've never kissed a girl at 23 years old. You don't devise a plan to stop touching your cock for six months in order to look a girl in the eye. You just exist, you go with the societal flow, and you end up with a wife, a nice job, a house, and some kids. If you missed out on this flow, it's probably because you're complete genetic shit.
Seriously, it's pathetic that people try to cope their way out of this by blaming women/society, whilst claiming that the little bit of success in their life is from their own hard work.
> You just exist, you go with the societal flow, and you end up with a wife, a nice job, a house, and some kids. If you missed out on this flow, it's probably because you're complete genetic shit. >pathetic that people try to cope their way out of this by blaming women/society So I'm guessing you're a believer of nature over nurture then amarite? The way you're raised or the surroundings you're brought up in or your treatment surely had nothing to do with our problems. Nope. All genetics.
Wyatt Jones
Good pasta. Here's a (you) for posting it.
Eli Barnes
imagine being this sheltered.
Oliver Young
Thats what ive been thinking lately, pretty much just doomed to be the average guy while all the douchebags Chad it out regardless of how much effort I put into myself.
Will probably just marry some chick I meet at college who probably fucked like 20 fratboys then chose to settle down with a nice guy, who then cheats on me with my boss like 5 years later because hes rich.
Jack Lewis
It is easier to fix your problems if you are attractive. An ugly guy dealing with trauma/a shitty upbringing can get pills and halfhearted therapy at the very best, whereas an attractive guy is likely to have friends and a relationship (i.e. a functional support network.). No attractive guy has to change himself fundamentally to be able to receive love, they just get love by default because they are pleasant to look at. They receive a softer environment in which recovery is easier. An ugly person who had a terrible upbringing literally has nobody but himself. Wageslaving for themselves, knowing that nobody will ever love them and that they will never have a family. It's a harsh, hopeless environment that causes mental illness to fester further. Very, very few can find meaning in such an existence. You can still end up a far-gone degenerate, being on either side of the looks spectrum, but it is so much more likely if you are ugly.
Anthony Wilson
>literally has nobody but himself. Wageslaving for themselves, knowing that nobody will ever love them and that they will never have a family Literally my life. I mean I have my parents now thankfully but that's itthey're not going to be around forever. I know I'm never going to have a family of my own, and living to be old, weak, and frail w/o a support system is scary af. Even now if I didn't have my parents to depend on and I got laid off or something I'd be fucked
Austin Collins
I thought the idea of MGTOW was to reject societal expectations.
Oliver Wood
You can't compare your life to fictional teen movies and think it's over because you can't emulate them exactly. Plenty of people can easily do nothing but school, college and work without getting into anything sexual or romantic until their 20s. It's not the end of the world if you don't.
Kayden White
>You don't devise a plan to stop touching your cock for six months in order to look a girl in the eye I'll admit I kek'd at this line. And you performed it so well! How much pussy do you think you'll get when you show all the cute girls how many incels you triggered with your post on Yas Forums at 1AM? A lot I bet!
I see this copypasta all the time you're just some bitter loser whose saw countless people escape from this place and improve their lives for the better. You're just a faggot bitter incel trying to hold people back and keep them as miserable as yourself. The only genetic dead end is you. Imagine getting so butthurt over self improvement that you repeatedly post the same text over and over and over again like you're obsessed with it. and Don't try to tell me that its posted by multiple people. I know this is being posted by some autistic virgin thats bitter because all of his friends improved their lives while he's still left behind posting on Yas Forums at the age of 30
Sebastian Mitchell
Bumping this thread because it's not gay and improoovers keep calling logical arguments bitter with no rebuttals other then the general onions "Nooo you must try, efforts eventually lead to results noooo your pasta is bitter nooooo.".
Caleb King
Bait but exactly this. These things just happen on their own with normalfags. That is why they get upset when they hear about the life of a loser. They think you have to get out of your way for this to happen to you. When I was in high school the fattest, shortest guy in school with hanging man tits had an average thin girlfriend. Not some supermodel and not a hambeast. An average girl.
What you said is true, but literally, who cares? If someone here tires to improve themselves and they succeed, good for them. It is better than doing nothing
Wyatt Kelly
the cut off should be 18. if you STILL haven't had a girlfriend, you should be banned from society forever. you can invent gay shit all you want in some prison cell, but you will not be allowed to talk to real humans.
Lincoln Smith
Lol fuckkkk it improver fuel I guess xdddd
Angel Powell
the jews have taken complete control over the rights to sexual reproduction. they fry your brain with porn, they poison your body with estrogen pumped into the food. they own tinder, okcupid, onlyfans. they wrote the algorithms, they know how it works. we are witnessing a mass extinction event in real time. you and your friends wont reproduce. you will stay poor.
this is by design.
Josiah Turner
Fuck off Grandpa. No one actually tries to improve here. MGTOW was like 3 years ago. This is a Billie Eilish board now.
>be me >be loser in high school >improve myself >learn that every guy who has a nice life struggled at one point too >learn that 100% of guys who routinely go to the gym and socialize share the same thoughts about how hard it is to be disciplined >get married at 23 to a girl i love >get a nice job >made a kid at 26 >mfw and yfw i'm a genetic dead end who has EVERYTHING you want and will never get
>DEVILISH
you're right that it's natural, but for the wrong reasons. you naturally learned english and to be attracted to girls, but there was still a learning process. if you choose to avoid the learning process when it comes to becoming more attractive, more confident, more skilled etc. then maybe it's still "natural" but at the end of the day you're still saying you don't want those things. somebody who masturbates all day doesn't want kids. somebody who posts on Yas Forums all day doesn't want a marriage. if you know that theres a gene for this then go make your money in genetics, incel
Thomas Scott
It's funny, in a way I'm an MGTOW, in that I don't want a gf and like being independent (at least in some aspects of life) but actual mgtows were incelfags who hated women
Easton Martinez
I know. I'm autistic and literally spent my whole 20s trying to be normal.
Michael Sullivan
Isn't MGTOW like the opposite of self-improvement?
Luis Cox
the basics of MGTOW are that you work harder for shekelberg and spend your money on porn.
there are two main branches of MGTOW though, one of them encourages you to have gay relationships (which is a form of improvement to them), and one of them creates a lifestyle out of harassing women.
Benjamin Taylor
>failing normie goes back on the right path and manages to woo one femoid Color me surprised Heres a few questions: How tall are you? How handsome are you on a scale from 1 to 10? How many friends did you have at the time? How much money did you have?
But anyway,if you were chad you wouldnt have even had to improve,you could have just existed and girls would have flocked to you
5'9 3-4 0 friends in high school, many in college no money, i had a shitty grant and never spent money on myself. i wore the same clothes for 5 years
the "harder for me" argument doesn't work because it implies that there is one social ladder. most social circles are fairly independent. it's only when you add idiotic qualifiers that actually make it so hard that it's not worth it. ugly guys literally have more opportunities in the world than chad if you think about it.
Ian Howard
So you are saying that you were pretty much genetic trash,but going to the gym and getting some muscles somehow made you desirable? Something smells fishy here Either that or your "gf" actively cucks you when you re not looking
Zachary Hill
you're just proving what i said earlier. you have no interest in women, whether or not you think the reason is that you hate yourself.
Michael Ward
I don't care about getting a gf and never have. I self improve to keep up appearances with family, friends and work so that I can retreat to my NEEThole and enjoy my weird interests with nobody bothering me
I don't even look at 3D women
Bentley Wood
it's not 100%, especially for working out
You can see that best in swimming and athletics. I worked more than anybody and I was still beat by guys that drank 4 times a week and came to practice once. I followed the gym plan, ate perfectly and still looked like shit. There were guys that had to stop practicing in the gym because they were putting on too much muscle.
Add to that any Charles Barkley, Boris Diaw story, these guys were fat and they still could jump higher than anyone.
Luis Myers
Who here is an attractive guy who actually approaches women regularly, yet is still an incel who has never had a girlfriend? I feel like I'm the only one. Everyone else I've known who is a virgin doesn't even try.
Eli Jenkins
>this shit again its a buzzword and all, but this is the only time i've found where it is sensible to say it COPE MORE NIGGER
Anthony Myers
>"you dont want to be loved,to have friends and me successful!" No you nigger,THEY dont want me You think i have never tried getting a gf? The denial,the disgust on their face as they turn you away,that shits over and over again,it gets to you Youd have to literally be insane to keep doing it Maybe you are not a failure,maybe you are a little bit harsh on yourself with the rating and all along you were a blooming normie,but not all people are as fortunate as you Not all of us are fortunate enough to only need to put on a few muscles to get girls
Matthew Martinez
working out (aka staying physically active) is only like 2% or 3% of what "improving" means. the largest part of improving social skills is to meet more people and get to know them closer.
also, swim speed is a linear, objective scale. social success goes in a million different directions and everybody thinks they are better off, at least when their relationships are functional.
nobody said it was 100% either. if someone need a 100% risk free guarantee in life, then yeah it sounds like being a lonely virgin is the best choice, and there should not be any complaining from those guys.
Owen Johnson
>You think I have never tried getting a gf? Correct, and I could easily prove it if I gave a shit. 2 questions about your lifestyle and the types of girls you "tried" to hook up with and you would realize what you really want in life.
And attributing it to misfortune is really the best part. You don't have to take responsibility, you just keep living the life you want guilt free. The part of your personality that lashes out at people is a little rough around the edges but you're objectively happy.
