I was generally lib center most of my life, but the last year or so showed me how liberalism is a failure and will never accomplish anything. Nationalism is the only logical path to take.
That said, I still don't care either way about most culture wars shit. Gay people and non-white people don't bother me, I don't care how other people choose to live their lives. Generally speaking, culturally right people are stupid boomers, rednecks and boring suburbanites and I don't want anything to do with them either. I just want to live my life, make money and be left alone.
>liberalism is a failure and will never accomplish anything. do yourself a favor and read up on deng xiaoping's economic reforms in china. liberalism lifted a literal billion people out of destitution.
Liam Rivera
>liberalism is a failure >goes on to parrot several liberal core values (live-and-let-live, peaceful noninterference)
Don't conflate leftism with liberalism.
The biggest case for cultural conservatism is the idea that unrestricted changes to a culture can negatively impact the overall trust and have negative downstream effects.
Adrian Lopez
leftism=/=liberslism
Angel Perez
...WHAT!? Lmfao. That's one of the least liberal regimes that's ever existed in history, my man. Do you know what the word means?
Easton Young
>the last year or so showed me how liberalism is a failure If you think Biden or the US Democratic party is "liberal" you are either very young or have never left the US. Biden is about as economically liberal as Nixon and he maintains the status quo as far as good ol' 'Merican morality is concerned (Christianity good, capitalism flawless, gays bad, drugs bad).
Christian Murphy
>Christianity good, capitalism flawless, gays bad, drugs bad All of this is true though.
Camden Thomas
>All of this is true though. Good boy spotted. Don't ever question anything that authority tells you and one day you'll get all the ice cream you can eat in Baby Jesus' castle in the sky.
>seething strawman = reasoning Ah, the famous fedora superior intellect!
Asher Howard
deng implemented market liberalization within a leftist regime. that's why china is market socialist now and not hardcore communist like they used to be. it's also why they're not poor as shit anymore.
no offense but if you knew anything about economic liberalism on an academic level, you would know that deng was a big proponent of it
Gabriel Myers
deng is liberal as fuck compared to mao even having done tiananmen
Easton Gray
with that being said though op seems to mean american liberalism which is mainly just social libs with varying economic views
William Nguyen
>What's the case for the cultural right? Immigration never stops, its goal is to increase the population size every year in order to chase infinite economic growth via having more customers and decreasing wages, which only benefits the rich and makes life worse for everyone else.
even if you dont care about demographics, sheer numbers and overpopulation should be a concern If immigration carrys on forever then what will we eat, all the new people need to eat too? Where will we live, all the new people need housing, do we build more houses and destroy the environment, what about when we start to run out of space houses will have to get smaller and smaller until people are living in tiny sheds What about Traffic, overcrowded public transport, longer lines in shops more population density while good for corporate gdp is bad for your quality of life.
Then theres the obvious compatibility issues between vastly different people you get from large scale immigration, but as a liberal I doubt you care about that
To be a nationalist tho is to care about more than just gdp
>thinking the only two choices are the dems and the gop join the actual left, OP. the "liberals" in america are center right at best in the rest of the world.
Ryder Smith
These problems arise naturally through reproduction so I don't see how you intend to curb that.
Ian Moore
>sheer numbers and overpopulation should be a concern immigration has nothing to do with population growth? net immigration is always zero across all countries immigration only becomes a problem in that way if you also restrict free trade
Wyatt Clark
>the "liberals" in america are center right at best in the rest of the world.
>progressive globalists >right wing lol no
Nathan Peterson
being ok with interracial relationships and fags is less progressive and more the standard in civilized countries these days user. trannyshit is just them searching for a new cause to champion now that the homo question has been answered.
Sebastian King
So much text to say, "I hate people that don't look like me". Trump's in office, no need to pussyfoot around that shit anymore.
Brandon Reed
Interesting. These are kind of left arguments but a more right answer to the questions.
David Bailey
believe it or not globalism is center right when you take away the other views. why do you think hw signed nafta? i wouldn't go as far to say all dems are centrist but biden is a centrist, maybe slightly center-right, and so are most business dems. compare them to the british conservatives under cameron and you'll see it
Carson Young
Almost all stable countries have a lower than 2.0 birthrate all unstable poor countries have a much higher bithrate In all western countries our birthrates are below replacement levels and yet our population increases every single year because of immigration
>immigration has nothing to do with population growth? net immigration is always zero across all countries Which is why the elite keep poorer countries poor, aid to africa doesnt go to help develop africa its just food, all the wars in the middle east keeps thoes countries from improving which in turn keeps their birthrates high, it also creates refugees which come here which in turn emptys out the land in their home country allowing more breeding for it to be repeated over and over so their birthrates dont stablise and we get infinite population growth.
Carter Moore
>progressive progressive only if the free market demands it. dems don't ever push for progressive economic policies, i.e. actual leftist politics >globalists that is unironically more free market than the typical GOP "keep our jobs only in America" talking point. again, not actually a left position at all.
Isaiah Thompson
lib dems are the actual centre right in the UK and they are definitely to the right of biden e.g. lib dems are in favor of decreasing the minimum wage, while biden wants a $15 federal min wage. lib dems instated tuition fees and biden wants free college.
biden is a hell of a lot more lefty than mainstream media would have you believe
Logan Baker
Believe it or not the right wing is more about nationalism than free market economics, the idea of a free market is relatively new on the world stage. the original right wing were originally monarchists in france who supported L'Ancien Regime
Brandon Brown
good think we aren't talking about french monarchists huh? I'm talking about left vs right in an exclusively economic sense. liberty is a whole other dimension.
Ian Rogers
What do you think is next on the list after trannies? My money's on bestiality.
Alexander Moore
>lib dems are the actual centre right in the UK you mean the party of remaining in the eu? lol no they're not right wing >completely ignoring social policys there is no right wing in the UK, the conservatives legalised gay marriage, all 3 big partys support mass immigration, diversity and hate speech laws, all 3 big partys support children changing gender, all 3 big partys support feminism and abortion
>b-but they're capitalists and you're an idiot being a capitalist alone doesnt make one right wing
Logan Baker
Polyamory easily
Andrew Garcia
They've been trying pedos for a while now.
Alexander Rogers
what mainstream media is calling biden a centrist/rightoid lol anyway, does he ever even speak out about these issues or do they purely exist on his campaign website page? i don't have an ounce of faith that a lizard means what they say, but if they're publicly talking about it at least there's slightly more pressure.. until of course, you get the presidency and the elites tell you to reign it in, a la obama.
Brayden Lee
>I'm talking about left vs right in an exclusively economic sense which is extremely reductionist and dishonest
you're simply trying to gain a win on the social issues by saying that even the right supports them, when those people who support them arent right wing
