They're often badly socialized both as a consequence of and as a cause for having few meaninful friendships. Another consequence of this is that they don't have the "social network" that comes with having more friends. When surveyed, most people say they found their siginificant other through their friends. It stands to reason that someone who lacks a sizeable social network misses out on opportunities to find girls. While an incel often lives a life without meaningful friendships, their own loneliness only starts to stand out to incels when it comes to the subject of girls, but often it's a symptom of general asociality. A form in which this lack of socializiation manifests itself is in innapropriate forms of flirting where they mimic tropes of romanitc courtship (for instance the idea of "winning her over") as affirmed by works of popular fiction such as hollywood movies, romantic novels and popular music which often do not reflect the way courtship works in the real world.
Another common tendency that develops from this lack of socialization is inability to introspect. Incels often deflect personal responsibility and rather blame their misfortune on circumstances beyond their control. "I can't get pussy because Chad/Stacy does ___" instead of "I can't get pussy because I ____". While outside factors do play a role, to me it often feels like incels adopt the defeationist incel mindset because they feel safer deflecting all personal responsibility by deluding themselves into thinking they don't stand a chance than indulging in the discomfort of actually trying and introspecting into parts of their choices, actions and personality they're ashamed off. Often they've grown accustom to, developed a blindness to or even actively like these pathological personal quirks that hold them back and the thought of changing them doesn't occur to them or frightens them more than the prospect of a life of solitude.
>developed a blindness to or even actively like these pathological personal quirks You can't change autism to;Dr f yourself
Nathan Miller
Tldr choosing games and cartoons over making friends has consequences
Nolan Russell
Yes, that seems to me like a root cause, but I wouldn't phrase it like this because it affirms the defeationist mindset, while I think this situation can be mended. Critically, by teaching oneself introspection and forming meaningful friendships would also be a welcome addition.
My introspection stat is through the roof, its the only thing im good at and i can say that just because you know whats wrong doesn't automatically give you the ability to fix it. Comparing it to a sport, you can know all the theory about how to shoot hoops in basketball but you could still fucking suck at it while someone else who doesnt even understand the rules of the game might be able to do it like its second nature.
Thomas Rogers
Cope.
I had friends when I was a child, preteen, and teenager and young adult.
The problem was is that they all started getting girlfriends and moved on in life.
Meanwhile I could never get a female to be interested me, meaning I never progressed in life in that way, and because of this, the friends I had, we drifted away from each other, because they all began to have typical normie lives, as if them having a woman in their life matured them and made them change as a person and grow, where as I remained the my old self, without the added responsibilities that come with having a girlfriend/wife.
Sooner or later, you see each other less and less, and before you know it, its been years since you spoke, they now have kids, and are busy all the time, and you're still living like you were 10 years ago, because you didn't gain any extra responsibilities because you never got a relationship or family of your own.
Yes most people meet their significant other through friend groups, but those friend groups die out, and the people move on and create their own life away from the friends group.
Austin Carter
I concede that that is a fair criticism, but even if introspective based analysis does not guarantee a solution to everyones personal misfortune, it does provide a better framework to understand inceldom than both the explanations incels themselves provide and the explanations /r/inceltears kind of people provide.
John Turner
Stop this introspection cope.
Normies dont have any introspection, they just exist and get by in life, because of face/height/status.
Incels are the ones doing all the introspection because theyre constantly wondering what the fuck went wrong
Fucking LMFAO if you think people who have relatively fine normie lives ever have a single introspective thought.
Bentley Wright
Yeah i find most of their explanations and tips to be kinda inaccurate too but understanding the situation only makes you feel hopeless if you have an impossible problem. Whether thats better than ignorance is not my place to judge but i don't think understanding the problem is necessarily all positives
Aaron Harris
When I talk about introspection I not only mean the kind of self reflection that requires sitting down and thinking about your life, which i agree, many incels do have, if anything I also mean the opposite: the inate instinctive sense of how to act in social situations and romantic situations, how to dress, how to talk to new people, how to not be weird, how to not dominate a conversation etc. that most normies seem to posses My thesis is that this ability to instinctively act socially wel adjusted without second guessing yourself is developed in social situations around friends.
I fully agree with what you just said user, based frogposter t.former incel
Austin Long
spoilers: you were a volcel
Ryan Sanders
*having other people not want anything to do with you has consequences.
ftfy
Noah Foster
>I know what all people want, thats why I chose video games over relationships Its uncanny how easy your life is
Mason Gray
>everyone else refusing to have anything to do with you = chosing not to have friendships
Jaxon Gray
didn't read a sentence of this mental masturbation only an incel could write
Jace Watson
wow that seems interesting thank you
John Butler
>just be more introspective >didn't work? uhh try losing weight! >that didn't work either? well try making friends >still nothing? hmmm try having a better personality so yo-is that a shotgun?
Austin Roberts
>when I talk about introspection I mean something that has nothing to do with introspection based retard
Michael White
The main issue with incels: they look ugly
Angel Sanchez
>he has talked to 7 billion people in the five minutes he spent outside
This is true, but being poorly socialized doesn't necessarily lead to becoming what is usually considered an "incel". I have all the risk factors: no friends, no ability to socialize, never had a female interested in me, a bit lonely and depressed, etc. Despite this, it's never made me angry, or hateful towards women/chads/normies/anyone else. I've always just accepted it and made peace with the fact that I'm not meant to interact with other people in a deep and meaningful way. I get my happiness from living my life and enjoying hobbies, which some people can't.
Personally, I think incels are not just people who can't socialize, but people who are meant to be extroverted but are blocked from socializing by some other factor. A true introvert probably wouldn't mind living the life of an average incel, I know I don't. Inceldom arises when they desperately crave socialization and interaction, but are incapable of achieving it.
James James
Almost all ugly guys I know have had girlfriends. The incels usually look normal but have stupid hobbies or bad personalities. They are too ugly to be with the rich fitness and party lifestyle crowd, but theyre too good looking to lower their standards. They dont meet other average people because they spend too much time alone.
Angel Jones
>just meet 7 billion people bro theres someone out there for everyone
Josiah Johnson
not for people who choose video games over friendship
Colton Foster
your entire argument falls apart if i dont have any hobbies
Jaxon Lewis
>stupid hobbies What do normies consider bad hobbies? Is it anything specific they avoid, or just weird things in general? I'm mostly into collecting/repairing 1970s electronics, and retro gaming. Weird, but doesn't necessarily have any negative stereotypes attached as things like anime or tabletop gaming do. How much would normies judge me for hobbies that are out of the ordinary but not traditionally ostracized?
Oliver Powell
my anecdotes are the opposite, so suck it.
Colton Russell
tl;dr: Mentally ill narcissistic mothers and mentally/physically absent fathers create sons that don't know how to human, nevermind be a real man. Boomer dads who ignore their sons then kick them out at 18. The modern broken family is a C-PTSD factory.