Can someone explain to me why most Christians in America are loyal to the GOP...

>Because I don't want to just follow God no matter what.
Okay but christians do. Thats it. Thats all there is to it. Doesnt matter what you personally think. Thats why christians follow the political party that wants to enforce christian values.

Protestants are conservative because conservatives most closely support the views of Northwestern Europeans, the people who made almost all of modern civilization. Catholics are liberal and always have been. This would be the shitty white people, like the Irish and Italians, the people responsible for the West's decline.

And religion is a meme, for the most part. European Christians have more in common with European atheists than they do with Christian Africans. Most of the shit you think of when you think of Christians is really just white people shit.

> the people who made almost all of modern civilization.
When the Mediterranean world contacted those people they were literally at Africa level of development. They are where they are because another culture uplifted them.

religion has no bearing on race
protestantism is only 500 years old

Christian socialists are quite common in other countries, but the problem is not economic.

Anti-Christian groups chose the Democrats decades ago. Usually having to do with abortion, sexual revolution, child drag queens, etc.

As a result the Republicans never HAD to kiss Christian ass. They had nowhere else to go. However as corporate hegemony becomes increasingly antagonistic towards God, this relationship has deteriorated behind closed doors.

Fiscally Yang, socially Christian is a pretty good platform. You see younger gen loans that way pretty hard. A few very young Republicans are headed that way.

>everything GOP does is a direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus
>ability to think

no

This right here. Pete Buttigeig's campaign was as popular as it was (was #1 in the polls for a while) for the same reason.

I dunno man, it doesn't make any sense to me, either. They pair up with the GOP when they double down on a few obscure passages from the old testament and ignore the rest of the fucking bible / the big picture.

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This. So well phrased I have nothing to add.

This is sort of true, but it's disingenuous.

1. If you look at the great civilizations throughout history, when they were at their peak, on a map, something will jump out at you. It all began in the Middle East and then slowly radiates outward. Are Middle Easterners somehow superior to Mediterraneans and Indians, who are somehow superior to Europeans and East Asians, especially the English and Japanese? Would you say that? Even though, today, it's arguably the exact opposite? Isn't it more likely that the earlier a civilization became superior to the others is, to some non-insignificant degree, a result of simply human migration?

2. Greece and Rome were great for their time, but this was to a large extent the result of trade. Not a lot happened back then, truth be told, but all of these civilizations on the Mediterranean or even in India and China, could trade whatever unique technology or ideas they had with each other. This trade made all of them seem a lot more advanced than if they had been isolated, which many parts of the world were.

3. In 1000 BC, the least developed European civilization was more developed than the average African or American civilization. In 0 AD, Europe and Asia were pretty much indistinguishable, in terms of their average, least and most developed civilizations. This was before Rome invaded Britain.

4. There's nothing about Northwestern Europe's development that indicates it's thanks to Greco-Romans. If they had the key to enlightenment, why didn't they use it themselves? Why didn't the Arab world use it? Rome conquered Northwestern Europe, built some roads and shared some neat ideas for 400 years, then left, the economy collapsed, Germanic tribes took over, the language became German and Scandinavians and the Danish began cutting the map up into little pieces. 1100 years later, there was a massive technological boom - because of the Romans?

5. So what? The guy who taught Elvis guitar isn't owed royalties.

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For sure man, my favorite Bible passage is "Verily, verily, thou shalt abandon thy duty to the poor, and trust thy state to provide for them in your stead"

Protestantism is a result of Northwestern Europeans being sick of Catholics' shit. Look at the traits associated with Christians. Those are just white people traits and they have been for thousands of years. Sure, there are things in the Bible that seem very un-Christian-like, right? That's because when you think "Christian" you're really thinking "white," and white people don't believe in those things, stoning gays for example. White people are unique for their love of freedom, which is something even Julius Caesar noted about his northern brethren (although, he called them unintelligent, for they never conquered and governed over others, which is what freedom-hating Orientals did). Christian holidays are mostly just pagan holidays completely ripped off, because white people just want to do white people things. You see the very same thing in Africa. Black people in Africa, regardless of whether they're Christian or Muslim or pagan, believe in magic charms. The Abrahamic religions tell them those things are devilry, and they just ignore that shit, because their genetics are a million times more important than what some fucking book says.

Jesus would undoubtedly support aggressive expansions to social services and welfare programs via the state. No genuine or informed Christian can support small government with a straight face because it, by definition, cannot provide for its citizens.

Talk about abandoning thy duty to the poor? Look at the lack of social safety nets, welfare, and healthcare access in the US. Christianity states that we have a moral imperative to provide these things to the poor. The state is the instrument through which to provide these things.

So-called christians who rail against welfare programs are absolute hypocrites.

>Talk about abandoning thy duty to the poor? Look at the lack of social safety nets, welfare, and healthcare access in the US.
Do you think the politicians in the US federal government as they are can genuinely do a good job at providing these services?

>You see the very same thing in Africa. Black people in Africa, regardless of whether they're Christian or Muslim or pagan, believe in magic charms. The Abrahamic religions tell them those things are devilry, and they just ignore that shit, because their genetics are a million times more important than what some fucking book says.

You were really making a lot of sense up until this point. You're making insane generalizataions about the people of Africa (which is far too large a continent to make such generalizations) - and appealing to genetics is eugenicist nonsense.

Race has nothing to do with any of this - appealing to race is just succumbing to our brains' laziest categorization methods. I mean, seriously, don't forget that Jesus himself was a brown skinned palestinean Jew.

There going to be a limit to how much support liberals can get from Evangelical Christians

Our current administration? No. There are some politicians who have the will, the drive, and the ability, but they are constantly hamstrung or held back by libertarians and fiscal conservatives every time they attempt to expand social services, welfare programs, or healthcare access.

Progressives are the most well-equipped to handle matters like these - but too many young progressives get caught up in identity politics and lose sight of what important. Older progressives (Elizabeth Warren, a fiscally conservative republican - turned progressive democrat is a fair example off the top of my head) would probably be our best bet. Some more pragmatic republicans are also capable of great good in Washington. But they're all being drowned out by the cesspool of lobbying in DC and the cult of Trump.

>No
Then you're playing imaginary politics and your "what ifs" don't matter in the face of present reality.

>Julius Caesar
Aristotle said it, actually.

Agree. Which is why Pete got knocked out of the race. His sexual orientation was seen as a liability. Most moderate and liberal christians have no qualms with it...but its a hard pill for Evangelicals to swallow.

Just goes to show that they spend too much time focusing on ancient pedantry (Leviticus, Exodus) and not enough time focusing on the core principles and bigger picture of christianity (i.e. the entire new testament).

>Then you're playing imaginary politics and your "what ifs" don't matter in the face of present reality.

What do you mean? Can you elaborate? I'm curious.

I dated a woman from Africa who was raised the exact same way I was with the same Protestant denomination and believed everything my Scots-descended American family does, so you're full of shit.

>Why would someone honestly care if some random gay guy gets married ten states away (in California)?
Because evil mustn't be allowed to take roots.

People play this "Oh, if only so and so wasn't being bogged down and held back, then the so-and-so's could REALLY do some good!" constantly and nothing ever changes. Politician is a job, and it will never stop catering to mammonous psychos, at least in the US. Things will never, ever be the way you wish they were, and mammonous psychos do not care about representing religion beyond a means to garner a voting base. Just do some good for others on your own.

>Jesus heal the sick and feed the poor.
Both things that Christian conservative are against

The democrats have incompatible views with Christianity, but it's very complex. For example, African-Americans are far more religious than Whites, however they almost unanimously vote Democrat, because they openly pander to them. Before the 60s, actually, it was reversed and nearly all blacks were Republican, and the racists like KKK were Democrat.
Yep, dems' insane buttfucking nonsense pushed literally all of them to the Republican side, all they have to do is shut up and they get the Christian vote.

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Not a Christain, but social 'safety nets' do not help people, all people are inherently lazy and selfish unless forced to work to survive, if the goal of an America Christian were to help the most people, they would campaign for small government and help people through their church

>Why aren't there any Christian socialists or Christian environmentalists or Christian Democrats?
There probably are, but just like actual secular communists or secular socialists they don't exist in the big view. There are only 2 parties (with any power): democrat and republican.

That isn't what Jesus believed.

>ll people are inherently lazy and selfish unless forced to work to survive

What about right now?

you think they see what democrats and leftists are doing and would ever want to identify with them? jfl

There are far more anti-Christian things that the democrats are against. Abortion, trannyism, gay marriage. Not to mention the openly anti-white and anti-religious rhetoric. Those few small incongruous things in the Republican party pale in comparison to the myriad issues they have with dems.

Unfortunately we all have to pick one of two sides, hardly any of us agree with it all. I personally am atheist, anti-immigration, pro-white, racist against nonwhites, in favor of universal healthcare, anti-gay marriage, anti-transgender, and pro-abortion. This pretty much places me right between the parties. So I have to pick what issues are most important to me, and I would say that is immigration/anti-white racism. So I have to pick Republicans because they are against that shit while dems are for it. I still disagree with them on a plethora of issues, but I vote Republican because they align with my most important issue.

There are, but as you get more into it, it becomes clear that the Democratic party is a bad thing for Christianity.
>Abortion
>LGBT
>Anti-God/Tradition in most public education but also against things like school vouchers
>Bring in Muslim immigrants to replace Christians
>Force Christians to choose between compliance with the law and their faith (With the law often being tied to their livelihood).
>Liberals in general create a de facto culture that is against practicing Christianity as it is written.
>Constantly gaslighting Christians about all this.
If a Socialist came and said they were not only Christian but wanted to center policies around families and promoting wholesome Christian behavior I think they'd win. But that would mean having to float a candidate whose ideals went against a lot of whatever one of the two major parties stands for.

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>That isn't what Jesus believed
Doesn't Christianity deal heavily with the idea of original sin, that since Eve ate the apple, every human has sin, and Jesus died for these sins?
It seems to be a common Christian belief, they wouldn't talk about 'salvation' and the need for 'rebirth' if humans weren't inherently evil

>What about right now?
Many people currently can't work, so it seems that even though some people are now working from home, many others are just sitting on their ass watching TV or playing video games or browsing social media

Religious people aren't well known to actually follow the ideas and commandments behind their religion.
Dogmatism and societal structure is way more important for religious folks than finding spiritual enlightment but this has been observed for thousands of years. The only reason Jesus was even sent to Earth was to break up the dogmatic practises from the Old Testament, then his followers went on to make the very same bullshit system they once despised.

I mean Jesus went out of his way to heal the sick and crippled, his approach was that everyone is equal before God. He lived like a beggar and always aimed to share what little he had. It was not beneath him to be with those considered untouchable by society back then, beggars, whores, people suffering from leprosy, outcasts of society. He wasn't afraid of calling out the people in power.

I have yet to see scripture showing us that Jesus was actually against abortion or gay marriage or against non-Jews.
He made several strong cases that he isn't rascist, take the story if the Good Samaritan for one example.

>You're making insane generalizataions
There's nothing wrong with generalizations. If 1% of Group A is violent and 5% of Group B is violent, it would be a generalization to call Group B violent. It would also be perfectly rational.
>far too large a continent to make such generalizations
This isn't a thing. A difference exists, that's all that matters. If you want to interview each black African in person, you can go ahead, I'll wait for you.
>appealing to genetics
Genes explain almost everything about us.
>eugenicist nonsense
I said nothing of eugenics, but eugenics isn't nonsense.
>Race has nothing to do with any of this
Biology has everything to do with living organisms, yes it does.
>appealing to race is just succumbing to our brains' laziest categorization methods
I wouldn't have to if kikes like you didn't destroy my country by allowing burdensome peoples who don't deserve it in. Group differences are real. I don't care if you like it. I made a spreadsheet where I tried to see what predicted a country's development better: economic freedom, IQ, my theorized racial IQ estimate which ignores environment, or my dumb-as-fuck flat-out-offensive race hierarchy. The results were economic freedom at .62, genetic IQ at .69, my racist nonsense at .72, and national IQ at .73. As you can see, I got pretty close to winning with a race hierarchy I made in 45 seconds.
>I mean, seriously, don't forget that Jesus
I'm atheist. I appreciate Christianity to a degree.

One time I stepped on a landmine and it didn't blow my leg off, so those UNICEF commercials are full of shit.

>If a Socialist came and said they were not only Christian but wanted to center policies around families a d promoting wholesome Christian behavior I think they'd win.

Imagine thinking that the nuclear family has anything to do with Christianity christian values.
Read a bible you uneducated retard, Jesus ran around the country with at least 12 dudes and was never married, maybe had a flick with a literal whore.
Meanwhile republicans are shitting on actual christian values like helping those in need, turning your other cheek and a strong separation of religion and state.

Jesus Christ would've been on the far left end of the political compass, but it just so happens that the far right end of American politics supports all of the things the Bible is in favor of. And the right has successfully brainwashed American Christians into thinking Jesus would be against things like universal healthcare, high taxes on the rich, etc

Americans have Christianity all fucked up. Turn on a TV in America and you'll see preachers flying around in private jets with solid gold Rolexes on their wrists, begging poor people to give them more money so they can buy an even better jet. I'm not even a Christian, but I know this behavior is a corruption of everything Jesus taught and these sociopathic bumpkins who preach this Prosperity Gospel bullshit have a special place in Hell (if there is such a thing).

for the same reason you care that I say nigger whenever I want where ever I want

> I made a spreadsheet where I tried to see what predicted a country's development better: economic freedom, IQ, my theorized racial IQ estimate which ignores environment, or my dumb-as-fuck flat-out-offensive race hierarchy. The results were economic freedom at .62, genetic IQ at .69, my racist nonsense at .72, and national IQ at .73. As you can see, I got pretty close to winning with a race hierarchy I made in 45 seconds.
I can already tell that you're dumber than any nigger in Africa. You see I made a spreadsheet based on your posts and according to my instinct you have an IQ of 60 but according to your post you have an IQ of 65.

Based and religiously-informed

Most left-wingers shit on Christianity

>Why do they care about trying to prevent every woman from getting abortions? What about the issue of rape?
Because they don't think you should be allowed to kill children. The unborn baby is innocent whether it is the product of rape or consensual sex.

Jesus is far-left and was the first communist in history. Every church or other religious organization is full with authoritarian rightwing controllfreaks.

Yeah dude Jesus was totally a communist! That whole atheism thing? Jesus was all about that!

mcfucking kill yourself commutard

Not on Christianity unless they're 12yo fedoratippers but the religious institutions which urge you to donate your wallet to God so America can kill more infidels overseas.

different morality code.
you can as easily say
>why would I want to hire a gay person no matter how good at their job they are
>why would I want people to kill children regardless of their past when the child itself is not to blame
>why would I care who is the best emplyee if that person is evil. I wouldnt hie a murderer no matte rhow good at their job they are

Hey faggot, internet atheist debates are gay shit from the early 2010's. Everyone knows the Christians came out on top

"Turning the other cheek" wasn't about unconditional tolerance. It was a challenge. If someone backhand slaps you, which was seen as an insult, you were to turn the other cheek, daring them to front-hand slap you, which was meant as a challenge.

Faggot liberals have twisted the message from "Stand up for yourself." to "Let everyone walk all over you."

>worships desert jew
>doesn't even understand why, just sucks dogmatic cocks

"Turning the other cheek" was a strategy to convince non-believers that your faith was stronger than theirs.

>38You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth."
>39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
>40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. >41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
>42Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

It was meant to show your opponent the error in his ways and to not live your life in vengeance and false honor. The ability to turn the other cheek instead of retaliation is far harder to obtain as it shows that you are not living on whims and pride.

How much of a nitpicker do you have to be to take the exact life trajectory of Jesus, who may I remind you is the son of God, into the whole point of the Bible?
It's almost as if half of the whole Bible happens before Jesus, and a good portion of the other half isn't really about his life but rather his teachings. Jesus specifically was anti-divorce and Mary Magdalene was a repentant prostitute not practicing so there is credence to the idea that Jesus was pro-family.
I guess theology is all about these debates but I think you need to read a bible.

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>gets BTFO
>deflects with major asspain
Argument won. Later gaylord, I'm an atheist BTW suck a big turd.

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Selfies are not allowed on r9k you queers. If you take the Old Testament as gospel when we're talking about Jesus then you should immediately off yourselves on the grounds of being underaged retards.

There are some Christian democrats. They tend to be Catholic though, at least in my area.

As far as I can tell, Chic Fil A never turned away an applicant for being gay. People just bitched that they donated to a Christian charity where the guy running it happened to be anti-gay marriage.