casual reminder if this was a vegan world, we wouldnt have the corona virus or any other pandemics like the spanish glu, swime flu, ebola, or sars
casual reminder if you have a pre-existing condition you are more likely to go to the ER or die in the hospital. these include high blood pressure, high blood cholesterol, diabetes and obesity
casual reminder meat eaters have the highest rates of these diseases out of any dietary group
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Naw, we'd just get viri from people sticking vegetables into places where they shouldn't go.
heres data showing that the people who go to the ER or die from COVID-19 are all meat eaters
Agreed with you. Its bullshit and nonsense.
and heres data showing that meat eaters have the highest blood pressure and blood cholesterol out of any dietary group
yeah turns out dietary cholesterol impacts blood cholesterol. WOW, who knew. who knew the foods you eat go into your body
Asking these apes to be anything but filthy is just a waste of your time. Purity is incompatible with the human race.
diabetes and dietary groups. vegans have the lowest BMI's, lowest rates of diabetes, lowest rates of heart disease and high blood pressure
people who eat a whole foods vegan diet, which is free from processed junk food like donuts, coca-cola, potato chips and instant noodles, have blood cholesterol levels that are virtually "heart attack proof"
the only vegans who get heart attacks or diabetes are "junk food" vegans
That wouldn't be correct. Things like echo location can spray saliva particles all throughout the air. Though of course the more in contact with an animal you have the higher the chance to get a virus like this. Obviously eating such animals increasing the contact with these animals.
you probably need a mass shooting everyday until people start realizing this for themselves.
Wed starve though. Monoculture crop diseases could wipe out food supply for a year in a given region. Also malnourishment would become a leading cause of death, at far greater levels than current cancer rates
are you paying a compliment to the humans, i thought animals were supposed to be superior
are you making an exception for apes in particular, or only the ones that became filthy through random circumstance?
what if the apes were to take a bath?
>Also malnourishment would become a leading cause of death
vegans are some of the longest living populations in the world. a vegan diet is nutritionally adequate for all stages of life
>Wed starve though
its takes up many more times the land use, water use, and calorie use to make 1000 calories from meat than from vegetables
animals have to eat plants to grow. it takes like 12 kilos of corn to make 1 kilo of a steak. its just inefficient
Daily reminder that if you eat plants that were fertilized with animal waste or sprayed with pesticides you are a hypocrite
a lot of the arguments against animal consumption seem to be tailored for the western mind. how would you go about convincing the eastern asian and african populations in which the consumption of animals stemming from epidemic-tier viral reservoirs is much more common?
nice le randumb le funny semantics post user, you deserve a Plebbit upvote
>search for list of deadliest pandemics of all time
>only HIV is on it
>primarily affects fags
>not very contagious
I know this is bait, but you should pick deadlier pandemics next time. Mentioning the Spanish Flu was a good idea, however there's no proof that arose from nonhumans.
All-in-all, I give it a 3.6/10.
>butt injured leaf eater posting again.
You know I was cleaning some asparagus for today.
But after seeing you preachy asshole post again, I'll put it in the fridge for tomorrow and buy some beef carpaccio the store has on sale.
Animal feed is often inedible or unpalatable for humans. You ignored my point. Veganism doesnt work in many regions. You can be an elitist all you like but even the data shows that vegans are deficient in several key nutrients. Mediterranean diet or DASH would be much stronger for a fad diet cult
that's all well and nice, but doesn't change the other being hypocritical
>how would you go about convincing the eastern asian and african populations in which the consumption of animals stemming from epidemic-tier viral reservoirs is much more common?
first we need to deal with western countries, then im sure non-western countries will follow suite. everything flows from western countries
>Animal feed is often inedible or unpalatable for humans
but the land that its grown on takes space and water, and could be used to grow crops for humans
>Veganism doesnt work in many regions
veganism is easier for people, because it takes much less land and its cheaper. rice, potatoes, beans, apples and broccoli are dirt cheap
>You can be an elitist all you like but even the data shows that vegans are deficient in several key nutrients
im sure they were in the past, when b12 information wasnt nearly as available, but recent studies have shown that vegan b12 levels have normalized due to public awareness. and please show that nutrients vegans are deficient in
>Daily reminder that if you eat plants that were fertilized with animal waste
i do not directly pay for animal products in my food. if animal products were used in the product of my food, i cant be held reasonably accountable for it. its like saying "if the farmer that picked your vegetables was wearing leather, you support animal abuse if you buy vegetables". again, theres levels of removal there, and im not directly paying for animal abuse
they can do farming without animal manure, and the amount of it is growing and growing due to demand and lobbying by vegan activists
buying vegetables also means paying for rodents and pests to be shot, but you have to kill them to protect our food, otherwise they would eat it all, and i dont consider it hypocritical to kill thieves, humans or non-humans
>or sprayed with pesticides you are a hypocrite
no
the black death apparently originated from rats. if this is true, i guess it wasnt from farm animals, but just wild animals and unclean conditions, but still, a lot of modern pandemics DID originate from animals as a result of humans eating them/farming them
>I cant be
But you are. If your plants were fertilized by animal waste then you are a hypocrite who directly supports that industry
Like chinks would be vegans.
>levels of removal
Does not justify your hypocrisy. Your diet still requires animals and that is your only argument for why someone is morally wrong. You are basically saying if you didnt kill the animal you can eat it, which is exactly what you are arguing against.
>everything flows from western countries
i'm sorry, what? eating bats or pangolins is not part of the western diet.
all intellectual movements, ideas, and beliefs come from white western countries, by and large. stuff like technological advancements, human rights, most popular media, etc
theres LITERALLY ZERO animal right advocates in asia and africa. they just dont care. in terms of people making philosophical arguments as to why people should go vegan, its only western countries doing it
>our diet still requires animals
again, i dont DIRECTLY pay for animal products. theres no animal products in the food that i buy. if animal products were used to make the food i buy, theres already levels of removal there
and you can buy produce without animal manure, but its so hard to find or even know about, that its unreasonable to expect anyone to do so. overtime, with more and more people going vegan, there will be more pressure to find alternatives for animal manure, which do exist, and are available if you look hard enough and pay some ungodly amount of money for
like, how many levels of removal are you going to accept? if a farm worker uses equipment with leather in it, am i responsible for animal exploitation if i buy vegan food? do you really think thats reasonable? if we use that logical, unless you grow the food yourself its virtually impossible to buy any vegan food
if we take that to the extreme, so much as participating in civil society, or even capitalism, causes harm to others. like, by participating in capitalism and putting money into the economy, some sinister company will abuse the increased flowing capital for sinister gains, despite how many levels of removal are there between the money that you earned, and the company
your argument is just so unreasonable if taken to its logical conclusion. its just unreasonable
yeah but pigs and chickens are, and thats were swine flu and bird flu came from
If you eat plants fertilized by animal waste or sprayed with pesticide then you are in fact a hypocrite
veganism is about reducing animal suffering as much as reasonable possible. keyword is is REASONABLY. you are being a unreasonable retard. by your standards, we are all responsible for murder of humans, because we all contribute to the capitalist economy, and serial killers use the fruits of our economy to buy guns and kill people. fucking retard
and im not a hypocrite because i dont DIRECTLY pay for animal products. theres levels of removal there
theres a difference between killing someone, or paying someone to kill someone, and being annoying to that person. lets say that if i annoyed someone by playing loud TV music during the day, it increased his chance of a heart attack, and overtime he dies of a heart attack
do you think its reasonable to blame me for this persons's death? i dont think any sane person would say yes, as i didnt DIRECTLY cause his heart attack
you are just being a dense cunt
>im a reasonable hypocrite
Good for you. At least you agree that there is no difference between your morals and someone with a normal balanced diet
>keyword is is REASONABLY
And you measure suffering on what scale? Or is this, like most of veganism, a complete ass pull?
god, you dont understand what the word "standards" are, do you?
my STANDARDS are directly paying for a product. for example, if i pay to see child slaves get whipped for my enjoyment, the product that im directly paying for is child slavery and abuse
but if i pay for a product, which somewhere in the production line, involved a child slave worker, i dont think i can be held reasonable accountable for this immoral action, because i dont DIRECTLY financially pay for it. theres levels of removal there. i cannot be reasonable held accountable for the actions and behavior of other people, especially when the products that i buy in and of themselves dont have animal products in them
if there are levels of removal there, i dont think i can be held reasonably accountable. im sure somewhere down the line, someone used the money that i spent on tofu and beans to kill someone, but theres levels of removal there
>And you measure suffering on what scale?
enslavement, forcibly impregnation aka rape, castration, child theft, infanticide, and killing of sentient animals at a small fraction of their life. there are studies which show that animals suffer in farms and slaughterhouses, how disingenuous can you possibly get to deny this
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My personal choices already impact every living being on the planet.
Yeah you're right. Instead from lack of exposure to these animals we would suffer from even worse conditions. Nice scholarly analysis of the situation vegan user another meat eater btfo'd :)
fuck off veganfag. humans need meat to survive and be healthy.
your choice to be vegan is fine but dont push it on others prick
You know what else wouldn't exist if we were vegan? Everything you know. We managed to become who we are BECAUSE we can eat both meat and plants.
Starting your thread with a racist myth. Make me not trust or want to read anything you posted. Congrats you played yourself vegan.
Your standards for why you are a hypocrite are irrelevant
COVID-19 wouldn't exist if we'd turned around and glassed the chink homeland when Oppenheimer made the nuke.
You just showed that you agree with ethical farming of animals. Thank you.
We would not exist if weren't for eating meat. Meat is what make our brains grow and evolved us into humans. If we were vegetarians we would still chimps. Also the virus is airborne meaning it didnt come from eating meat. Kill yourself
>if this was a vegan world, we wouldnt have the corona virus or any other pandemics
Yeah because we'd all be dead from malnutrition.
No...
>the only vegans who get heart attacks or diabetes are "junk food" vegans
Same with meat eaters though
So do you wake up this insufferable of do you have to try for it?
Hey anons...
DONT LISTEN TO THIS FUCKING TWINK.
If you arent a dicklet ( so if your dick is longer than 8 inches) , you have every right to eat meat. Men with small dicks are meant to be vegan sex slaves with youthful looks.
I know in fact, that im not the only one person who knows that bacon looks like an invention of some guy with a really big dick who needed to survive the winter.
>your choice to be vegan is fine but dont push it on others prick
>vegans are so extreme, they are always pushing their ideology on people, stop being so forceful
yeah, like im the one paying for cows pigs and chickens to be enslaved and killed for my amusement. fucking retard
>Make me not trust or want to read anything you posted
>i arbitrarily felt bad from reading your post, so now im not going to engage in the conversation because of my feelings
okay, maybe try finding a safe-space where everything will be nice and no-one will be thinking inappropriate thoughts
you dont understand the definition of the word "standard"
but a lot of other pandemics and diseases would still exist. the spanish flu came from a animal farm in spain, and it killed tens of millions of people
>you just showed that you agree with ethical farming of animals
directly paying for the enslavement, rape, infanticide and killing of animals for your pleasure is not ethical. delude yourself harder
we would not exist if humans didnt have tribal war parties where they committed genocide against one another and raped all the females. does that make it okay for us to rape and kill today, because we evolved doing since, since chimpanzees and gorillas?
it just comes out naturally
They arent directly paying for it. They are levels removed because they only pay for the meat. Just like you are paying for plants fertilized by animals. You are a hypocrite
literally this. like it's insane how people still haven't pointed this obvious fact out - pretty much every pandemic and influenza came from eating animals. omnis are fucking retarded
Vaccines came from animals too
Theres no evidence corona came from eating animals stupid brainlet
We didnt evolve because of killing people. But we did evolve from eating meat. But killing is just the way of life you need to do it to survive
>they only pay for the meat.
the meat is a product that absolutely necessitates animals being bred into existence, enslaved and killed. theres no levels of removal there, you are directly paying for death and murder
its would be like paying for human flesh of human slaves that were killed. its literally impossible to buy meat that doesnt necessitate animal killing and enslavement, unless its beyond meat or some imitation meat
but with vegetables, you can do it in a veganic farming way, without animal manure, and it doesnt directly necessitate animals are enslaved and killed for your beans and rice. theres already levels of removal there, and its just so unreasonable to expect me to buy this kind of produce, because theres literally no sources or practically available places that sell it, that im aware of, atleast in canada, i did search, btw
its just so impractical and unreasonable. most organic produce uses animal manure, its basically ubiquitous
honestly, to be fair, i do think there would still be diseases and pandemics if everyone were vegan. they come from animals, be it farm animals or wild animals. people in the past were largely vegan, as only the rich could afford meat, but they still died by the millions because of diseases that came from wild animals, like rats, for example
its just that today we have a lot more cleanliness measures, and disinfectants, and we are much more aware of the dangers of bacteria. people literally used to eat food out the garbage, after rats were done with it, they were comically unhygienic
You can also produce meat ethically. You are arguing against yourself, hypocrite
yeah. humans were meant to eat animals you incel freak
>You can also produce meat ethically
okay, please tell me how can you ethically enslave, rape and kill animals for your amusement ethically?
is stabbing animals in the throat when you dont need to ethical?
is sending pigs to die in gas chambers ethical?
Imagine believing this virus came from animals and not the lab containing super viruses only 7 miles away from the meat market where this supposedly started
Why would you want to prevent covid19?
It's a cover up cause it was made in america
If you dont understand ethical farming then dont @ me, hypocrite. You eat plants fertilized by animals
This. You'd have to be legitimately retarded to believe the shitty cover story. Which most people are unfortunately.
ethical farming is a contradiction. its like saying "ethical child slavery" or "ethically killing humans for fun"
its literally a oxymoron. all you did was dodge the question
Animals are processed not killed and you can't enslave or rape something with no soul.
ah, so you believe its the deus-ex timeline. i wonder how soon we will have the grey death. corona virus isnt nearly as bad as whats portrayed in the game
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Its ethical because humans are more important then animals. You go to prison for killing a person you won't for killing a chicken. Would you rather have the population starve and go into a famine to save your precious animals feelings?
>processed not killed
>using euphemisms to make light of the animal holocaust and mass killing
>you can't enslave or rape something with no soul
wtf even is a soul? sounds to me like you're just making up unscientific bullshit like "soul" and using this non-real unmeasurable or interact-able thing to justify killing a sentient and conscious animal
how can you reasonably say you have a soul? souls dont exist according to science. but science has shown that animals are sentient and conscious and have feelings
If you want to make a big omelette, sometimes you have to forgo quality of the eggs in exchange for just how many you crack into the pan.
Even just speaking for you burgers, there are soon to be 350 million people living in the US of A.
Even taking the few hundred thousand of stinking homeless bums out of the equation, that's still a lot of hungry mouths to feed, so the question I pose to you treehuggers is:
Why does it matter?
We, by virtue of our intelligence, are on top of the food chain, and just as lions don't slaughter all of the juicy herbivores as to not run out of food, and just as those same herbivores don't eat all the plants so they don't run out of food and disrupt everything that lives above them, we humans have accelerated the breeding process to a point where it's enough to sustain every Jamal, Tim and Susy that wants the meat to survive.
Animals aren't sentient, not in the way that you or I am. They don't have hopes for the future, in the wild they would eat and fuck and die just like you or I would if we were placed in their position. Conquest isn't just about asserting your superiority over inferior races, it's about bending them to YOUR way of life.
It's just nature.
>Its ethical because humans are more important then animals
LOL. thats a fresh one, lel
you just arbitrarily decided you are more important than animals, so that makes it okay to enslave and kill them for our pleasure?
if white people arbitrarily decided they are more important that black people, does that make it okay to enslave black people?
if a random guy arbitrarily decided that he is more important that a family, does that make it okay for him to murder the family?
>You go to prison for killing a person you won't for killing a chicken
this is an appeal to popularity fallacy. using this logic, slavery was justified because it was legal
>Would you rather have the population starve and go into a famine to save your precious animals feelings?
they can survive perfectly fine on a vegan diet, which is devoid of any animal products
And we would all be 4 feet tall and 90 pounds like we were before meat farming was a thing. Your body needs meat accept it. Why do you think chinks are so small and weak cause they only eat rice
Because of my capacity for higher reasoning. Also the only "justification" I need for eating exclusively veal is I literally cannot be stopped.
>you just arbitrarily decided you are more important than animals, so that makes it okay to enslave and kill them for our pleasure?
We do it to eat we dont kill them for pleasure. Why do you kill vegetables for your pleasure? Plants have been around much longer then animals. Plants have feelings too
>you just arbitrarily decided you are more important than animals, so that makes it okay to enslave and kill them for our pleasure?
Yes. Are you retarded? You can be idealistic all you want but it's kill or be killed when you get down to the nitty gritty of the world and the species with the most power decides the rest of the animal kingdom's place in comparison, it would be the exact same if orangutans or sharks were intelligent like us
>if white people arbitrarily decided they are more important that black people, does that make it okay to enslave black people?
Niggers were enslaving niggers before whypipo ever knew the existed, refer to my previous point
>if a random guy arbitrarily decided that he is more important that a family, does that make it okay for him to murder the family?
This is such a vague situation it has literally no meaning, kys