Will this pandemic cause a lot of people in the country to become class conscious?

Yeah most of the true "right" these days are almost as anti-capital as the tankies of old. It's boomers and repubicucks that will fight, not for zuck or other perceived "bad" capitalists, but for capitalism in general, which of course will allow for more people like zuck to remain in control.

The occupy movement was one of the first steps to creating a consciousness about late stage capitalism but it lost steam because, while they identified the problem (the plutocracy, basically) they didn't have a leader to organize the thoughts and frustration into a clear and cohesive goal.

But with corona, nothing much will change unless we get that clarified direction AND are able to overcome the brainwashing of the billionaires

No, because we still arent in the critical stage where the middle class actually does something.

Things need to get much worse before people realize that current work conditions its just slavery +. Double that for americans, that would rather die than defeat their past 60 years of brainwashing.

The issue was that the movement had zero ideological purity and was filled with degenerates and liberals. It completely destroyed the credibility of the people doing real work. The focus was shifted from legitimate anti-capitalist politics to people having gay sex in the street.
If you want to engage with anti-capitalism it might be best to leave the left-right paradigm and engage with perceived "right wing" anti-capitalists. At least then you will be able to avoid the corruption of liberalism destroying your movement.

Were you actually around then to see what it was about? It had zero to do with that, quite honestly.

And the reaction against LSC is inherently a liberal idea, so...

>Hell, they'd probably join in.
not really, they are way too easy to manipulate using kneew-jerk prejudices.

>the reaction against LSC is inherently a liberal idea
Anti-capitalism was also anti-liberal for most of history. Late stage capitalism as you are calling it is really not any different from status quo capitalism, it is just easier to see the effects now because of the information age.
I will admit that I was pretty young during the original occupy movement but almost everything I saw about it from right wing media was "look at these degenerates, what are they even complaining about?" Almost nothing about the people that were actually doing things. Not sure what it looked like from the left because I never got to see leftist media.

>leftist media.
what leftist media? The people that are willing to dickride biden as much as maga hats does for trump?

Like I said I never got to see any leftist media so I don't know.

there is no leftist "media"

I guess that depends on whether or not you believe in the left vs right paradigm and how you define left and right. I'm going by the standard american understanding of republican vs democrat = right vs left although that is not what I believe.

I don't believe in "leftist media" either. But I do think that conservatives are so used to their chosen media having an insane bias that anything with balance appears as "crazy".

Just like if you were to take someone from North Korea and have them watch any normal news report, they'd instantly reject it because their Dear Leader wasn't front-and-center in the report, acting as the source of all good.

Sad, really.

My tent got stole first day in LA had to sleep on concrete.

Well, all I can say about this is that what you saw was a deliberate and pretty transparent smear campaign against them. There was no mention about homosexualism or any of what you mentioned before.

And, while they didn't have a cohesive voice, as I mentioned before, they DID have legitimate grievances. But it's not surprising that right-wing media erased that part from their broadcast. Tune your "bullshit meter" better and you'll be able to see through this quite easily.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by class conscious?

I live in the UK and its very class conscious here. The poor are seen as idiots. The middle class shit on the poor but pretend to like them for brownie politics points. The upper class think the middle class are idiots that are trying to appear like theyve made it when they have no class etc

Btw in England, Class is status over money. You can be a teacher making fuck all and be considered middle class, or a plumber earning 100 grand a year and youre working class.

It will wake some people up. But the majority of the sheep will just go back to their ways and essentially nothing will have changed.

>Btw in England, Class is status over money. You can be a teacher making fuck all and be considered middle class, or a plumber earning 100 grand a year and youre working class.
This, it's all about image here. My boss goes out for fancy dinners all the time and fucks off on holiday every month to France and Dubai and other places, spending a fucking tonne of money. Has a Roll's Royce, a Mercedes, a big rural cottage. Wears expensive suits and real fur hats and coats all the time. But none of that means shit because it's all on loan and he's in about 100k of debt, and is about to lose his house and business because he can't stop spending. So yes, class is about making others think you're rich as much as it is about actually being rich.

I was like 14 living with my boomer conservative parents. I know that my interpretation of it probably was not accurate. I guarantee you that right wing media smeared them pretty badly. What I am saying is that they should not have allowed people that could have been smeared into their movement. They should have vetted the people at their event, they should have better vetted some of the people that represented them. If you know that your enemies in the media are gonna smear you then you should allow them as little opportunity as possible. This is the issue that most non-mainstream political movements have is that they allow in easy targets for ridicule.

This is me also kek. I recently bought a fake rolex for 200 dollars to appear rich but im not

However, with that being said, im on the brink of making it if I can dedicate more time to my business. Gotta fake it to make it eh?

Pic related my roley

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Weird how American rejected democratc socialism out of fear of becoming cold war russia and now we have the worst first world healthcare on the planet, have to wait in line for groceries, live under a lockdown and our leaders are pouring trillions into their own pockets.

Do you really consider The Daily Show, Get Out (2017), and Jimmy Kimmel unbiased?

It's almost like any system that lasts over a certain amount of time will become bloated with bureaucracy and corruption. I would also argue that there are too many degenerates in America that would drag any decent socialized system down to either unfeasible or ineffective levels.

And the reason for that is because the system is stacked against people. not become theyre inherently degenerate.

I imagine youre a degenerate thats been failed by your parents and surroundings so youre likely living proof reform is needed

No information is truly unbiased, but that doesn't mean that all information is garbage. There are some sources that are better than others.

I can't speak to your examples, though, as I have not seen them.

I may even argue its better than the current system you have. Why its medicine so expensive in that country? Its so ridiculous

it devolved in the media into stinky homeless trust fund hippy college students overstaying their welcome. That's all I remember. So yes, avoiding that liberal demographic would be helpful.

I don't think it is most peoples' fault that they are degenerates. It usually either comes from a poor upbringing, terrible culture/eating habits, certain types of media consumption, etc. I agree the system is stacked against most people. I do not agree that this changes the fact that they are a drain on society, and I disagree that there is nothing they can do about it. I agree that some level of reform is necessary, but I don't think that democratic socialism is the right way to go.

I expect socialized healthcare would be better for the average person. I would also expect it to be horribly managed, extremely corrupt, and for it to vastly increase wait times for medical care as it has in Canada.

The NHS sends its regards

T. someone who got all his surgery, doctors checkups, bloods, tests et al paid for all my life.

Mind, it does cost, something in the tune of 1-2 grand a year. but it works boyo.

I know it works. It's just slower and less efficient with the money you do spend on it. Is it better for me than paying for my own medical costs? Yeah obviously. Does it also allow for more corruption and misuse of your taxes? Yes, obviously.

Thats because youre a greedy scandral and you only care about yourself. Not a good indicator of being a nice person. Hope you dont have the misfortune that you clearly dont care about when it happens to others. Might sober you up a bit user.

scoundrel* fugged the spelling

I'm confused, do you think I am arguing for or against socialized healthcare, or just pointing out its obvious downsides?

Im saying it sounds like you dont care about other peoples health so long as you get the best deal. Pair that with your sentiment that theres degenerates everywhere plaguing the system and it sounds like youre a greedy cunt

g-g-g-g-greeen combo

I have said that I agree that socialized healthcare would be better for the average person, but that it is also better for corrupt bureaucrats and politicians. I have also said that it will be dragged down by degenerates. Neither of these things should be considered an argument against socialized healthcare, just statements of fact. I do care about the health of others, which is why I think a socialized system would be better. I don't have an issue with paying higher taxes to support such a system. I think there should be reform in addition to a socialized healthcare system to try to reduce the number of degenerates that drag the system down. I want this for the good of other people, as I do not need healthcare at the moment and I am not a drain on society. I just think that you cannot support a way of doing things without recognizing and understanding the downsides.

Now with this social distancing you can easily kill someone without being afraid of victims.

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>Spend all day doing hard manual labor in a freezer environment
>Workplace is "essential" so I can't quarantine like the rest of the country
>Gubmint passes additional unemployment, in my state I'd be earning 1,100 dollars for doing absolutely nothing at all
>Workplace is already slowing to 15-20 hour work weeks, likely to keep dropping
>Unemployment now covers people who quit as a direct result of covid-19 with very open language, meaning I could site my fear of catching the virus and drop in hours as legitimate reason to quit and collect more money than I was earning before the crisis
>OR I can keep going in to wageslave every day for negative money and not pay my bills while half the country sits at home taking a free year long gubmint paid vacation

God I hate this fucking country, this is all so fucking stupid.

The internet sadly has all of you tricked as to how far it is people have been injected into the political extremes.
The actual reality is that places like Yas Forums and Twitter both make it seem like there's stupid amounts of people who support the the farther left and farther right ideologies but that is a total illusion.
We live in a country that's easily 60% liberal, 30% neocon and stormfags and commies (and by that I mean anyone who even slightly agrees with either of these sides) make up like the other 8%.
We couldn't even make Bernie happen and he's just a liberal who sometimes believes we should be a little humane.

Americans will never be class conscious. Their use of slogans about it will always be empty trend following.

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>We couldn't even make Bernie happen
and im not going to vote for biden to show people that neverbiden is not a bluff.

That's why we need UBI.

Its the correct attitude. Being loyal to a party that doesnt fight, for what you belive in, is the mindset of a cultist.

Infected robots master race change my mind

Well yeah no shit, might even vote for Trump just to be on the safe side to assure the John Oliver watching braindeads don't get what they want either.

We need a lot of shit in this country. I need to go to my jobsite and fucking quit today so I can stop wasting my time working for chump change, and the government needs to get its head out of its ass and make sure actual hard working americans don't keep getting fucked by these "relief" packages.

God forbid we all have a decent wage outside the crisis, let lone during one.

>might even vote for Trump
that would send more of a message of support for trump,
im voting third party, people see low numbers for biden and high numbers for third part they will get the message.

I've read a theory that posits that the decline of serfdom and by extension feudalism was accelerated because of the bubonic plague .

liberals are left's greatest liability. just look through this thread, see how many people conflate taxation with full-blown communism

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Not when the status-quo is implicitly against the religion, see: Jewish revolts, the Middle East and Islam

What pandemic?
Oh, you mean the big black coronavirus.
Dunno.
Are you?
Sage

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And the elites fantasise about going back to feudalism.

>The internet sadly has all of you tricked as to how far it is people have been injected into the political extremes
The internet has also tricked all of us into believing the average goon understands issues and/or uses the resources available to them to choose a candidate based on what would be better for them economically.

The USA is chock full of D students that didn't pay attention in public school political science and wait for the cable TV talking heads or Facebook to tell them what to think. And their rationale for adopting their ideals usually boils down to: "Everybody else thinks this way. I want to be part of the winning team."

They're profoundly ignorant especially for the 21st century. In the 19th and 20th centuries people had an excuse for being ill-informed if they were in a rural area. There's motherfucking ZERO reason to be so fucking stupid with the totality of human knowledge at your god damned fingertips. I used to be an idealist when I was young, now I just want to sterilize sub-100 IQ people so the rest of us can get on with society like adults.