The girls I've met in real life have all been really cool. If anything I'm the asshole and I ignore them too much, fucked up my relationships by being a distant cunt
My mom is really nice too. The only toxic female in my life is my sister, you would call her a "stacy", but she's really just a violent domestic abuser.
Discuss, is the judgemental stacy incel/mgtow thing all just bullshit?
Bad news get clicks, like videos of shootings and women being cunts and disasters, etc.
Is this a trap or a gril? Help me I'm retarded permavirgin.
It's an exaggeration of the negative aspects of female nature, all people have negative aspects.
These people are just really pathetic.
some people are good
some people are bad
the current popular narrative is to empower women
so we talk about bad men
see you in 25 years when the pendulum swings
That's just a girl user
like, biologically and otherwise.
What's that bulge then? Fluffy pussy?
just puffy and the way shes laying down, yeah
There's fat and shit around the pussy incel.
most people are good at pretending to be decent until you're in a long term relationship with them. then they start showing their true shitty nature. when that happens, some people stick with their shitty partner out of sunk costs, others because they're trapped, but either way they'll become bitter and shitty too.
Imo one will hardly every meet any none-shitty women, period.
But that is mainly because the places where one can actually go to meet women are swamped to overspill with the gregarious, social groupie, "I wanna meet more people uwu!" girls who turn out to be trash on two legs.
Even the rare gems that are otherwise at heart will try and keep up with stacies in that atmosphere, simply to not get marginalized.
tl;dr: People in groups are always trash. There are better girls out there than we think, but GL finding them.
What's a pussy incel?
That's not been my experience at all.
I'm 25 and my middle school through high school gf stayed the exact same, very seriously devoted (dad left her, maybe a little too devoted but its fine) caring/protective etc.
I acted like a cunt and started ignoring her, broke up with her eventually
Same thing happened with breakup with my next gf, lasted for years, really loving type/showered with my gifts and cooking and massages and crap.
like it seems these toxic people you highlight are in the minority and IRL they get ignored (because they're annoying). Like SJWs, for example. they just get ignored irl
all my other female friends/acquaintances and my current gf, same.
Can't you all just ignore toxic people? they're not all like these psychopaths youre focusing on
The funny thing is, you could all get gfs.
Girls like to "fix" broken guys.
Difficult to find a girl I get along with though.
>I acted like a cunt and started ignoring her, broke up with her eventually
so in that case you were the one who showed your true shitty nature. I've done the same
>Girls like to "fix" broken guys.
they just see me as a meat dildo with a nice face
>showed your true shitty nature
Not really, these girls knew what they were getting into with me and my withdrawing at times.
I'm still on good terms with my exes
my own mom wants my dick woman are all whores
Based video.
Was talking to a girl, hadn't even dated.
Was going absolutely awesome.
Talking about things we like and want.
Great chemistry and shes actually not a thot.
Shes chubby, but very cute and big tiddies
Then we get on the topic, of ex's
And she tells me that her ex boyfriend broke up with her because her and her best friend (Jay) sometimes hang out and cuddle together. Assuring me that he's her only guy friend, and that a lot of her mutual friends in common that are chicks always hang out and sometimes "cuddle" too.
Told her lol, no way ill be okay with that either. She says she really likes me and that I just don't get her yet, that I just don't really know how she is so to not over react.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I told her to pick cuddling with her friends
or even being able to talk anymore.
She says her friends (highschool friends so much to learn about that) are her everything and that she could never do that, even for me.
I lolled so hard bros.
And I didn't even meat her on social thot hub media nor dating apps.
I can't even imagine what that's like lololololol. I can get pussy by just having game, but getting a wife material woman, is absolutely impossible unless you're okay with single moms/super whores that are now ready to "settle down."
I think the oldfag boomers are right. Import an asian teen, or a really poor hispanic one maybe even some russian type but definitely do not try to wade through the minefield of wester and 1st world countries unless their entire lifestlye is rooted in religion. But then, be prepared to become that religion.
There are decent and bad girls. Truth is no one has their mind open for the world to see and you aren't privy to all the dirty details of their life they would rather never divulge.
Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not. I still consider myself a MGTOW.
Do you agree with the MGTOW rule that its better to love another man?
Not really. If your mother is good and your father is useless it's better to love your mother.
MGTOW is retarded, the idea of men going the other way is just being an adult and making there own choices.
MGTOW is just guys who are resentful that women don't want traditional relationship.
Girls like to fix broken men only if the man is handsome/sucessfull/socially powerfull.
I'm quite broken and i assure you that nobody wants to fix me
coom more and more
I don't believe that's true. If you don't center your life around women and relationships, you're an outsider. Being considered "an adult" in many ways means being a simp.
There are many white parts of the world where the only value is money and career. Many white guys dont ever want a wife or kids, and just spend millions of dollars on yachts and fine art. Its partially why they have a negative birth rate but its completely normal for them.
coof coof roastie
I don't really understand the endgame of MGTOW. Do they just fap or go gay or what?
The traditional relationship, at least in my country, means that you have a lot of responsibilities to your partner and thus definitely can't "go your own way"
Most of the time they just grow out of it and find a girlfriend when they stop obsessing over it.
People who actually believe women are bad usually go gay or effectively spend all their time with men, yes, but their is no plan or goal, its just habit
Having children is vastly different from relationships. Most people are relationship-oriented but not child-oriented.
I don't really have an "endgame", I don't know what I want to do when I'm old but right now I'm following my dream of moving out into the countryside. A small house by a few lakes. If I was tied into the idea of women and relationships, this dream wouldn't be possible.
Not sure what you mean but all my coworkers and childhood friends have kids. Very few people think of relationships vs kids as a choice
I'm 25 and few in my age consider children an option right now but they actively pursue women and relationships. What's your point in regards to the original topic?
From my experience of working with an incel and having one with my family is that they are really dumb and don't see how their life style and what they want out of women contradict each other. You can't refuse to work and refuse to move out of your parent's house and yet someone expects women to metaphorically be 1950's housewives.
Also, most incels find some strange comfort in their shitty lives. Idk if it's an entitlement or mental illness, but incels won't really do anything to fix their lives. Even if the solution is something easy. It's like they expect people to just hand them things.
its hugely exagerated
looks matter,and people are more superficial/shallow when it comes to dating and social life than what they want to accept
but things like money,charisma,shared experiences still matter
is more an average between different factors than a single trait when it comes to attraction
being incredibly handsome can make up for personality flaws
or charisma and knowing well what your partner likes can make up for a ugly face
but if you excell at nothing an are as interesting as a toast in looks and charisma,dont be surprised no one gets interested
If they are in pursuit of women, implying they are bachelors, they shouldnt have kids on their mind. But someone who values relationships probably values family.
The point was that focusing life on money is normal in some parts of the world, and that choosing the lifestyle that works for you is in fact a part of growing up, like the other user implied. In other words, denying yourself relationships may be your best option but it doesnt make you necessarily unburdened or more self aware. Its just that you dont value relationships.
>and that choosing the lifestyle that works for you is in fact a part of growing up
I still don't believe that's true. Most people conform, play it safe and choose the most normal path possible.
>they are really dumb and don't see how their life style and what they want out of women contradict each other. You can't refuse to work and refuse to move out of your parent's house and yet someone expects women to metaphorically be 1950's housewives
This.
Wanting a non-feminist women while not wanting to be a provider and protector for her is pants on head retarded.
>incels won't really do anything to fix their lives. Even if the solution is something easy. It's like they expect people to just hand them things
Also this (but honestly, most people in my country behave this way)
>play it safe and choose the most normal path possible.
That is what works for most people. Why would anyone really choose a life where everything is in chaos? Also, I'm no that user and I think it's very reasonable to not have kids by your mid 20's. Most people can't actually afford kids then.
Staying on topic of MGTOW: not actively pursuing women doesn't mean your life is chaos.
Youll have to be more specific. Having a marriage is conforming to a method of committing to someone, but you get to choose the person and her personality might not conform to what your parents or friends expect. Having an office job may be conforming to a stereotypical environment where you apply your skills, but if you enjoy art and its a graphic design job, then you would see it as nonconforming because you do creative work
OP is right. There is absolutely nothing wrong with modern women. This is all normal healthy behavior.
Your own logic betrays you. Not pursuing women is the safe choice if you are not highly successful.
We're specifically discussing relationships and MGTOW, I'm already being specific.
Compared to the types of people in modern times who spend most of their life in front of a computer or tv, this is absolutely high class
my sister is the exact stereotype an incel would describe: narcissistic, attention whorish, selfish, manipulative, disrespectful. Worst of all she thinks she is always right no matter how shitty her beliefs are, and my younger sister seems to be following the same route
Well, not pursuing women doesn't really mean anything on its own. MGTOW is similar to atheismin that it's just a lack of belief in something. Being an atheist doesn't really mean anything but it's still the "unsafe" route if you're from a highly religious family and society.
The statement about people choosing their lifestyle in general is true. In regards to your point about denying yourself relationships, I already said that only says you dont value relationships. It has nothing to do with being nonconformist or taking bigger risks. It may be the complete opposite if the people who influence you dont value relationships.
I disagree, most people don't actively choose their life, they just accept things and conform generally out of a fear of loneliness.
>if youre from a highly religious family
And its the safe route if you talk mostly to atheists.
Locus of control is an interesting concept but western culture forces you to choose.
I can understand the pressures in eastern cultures and maybe they have their own understanding of lifestyle choices
Most people are not MGTOW. In fact, doing your own thing is highly controversial and you'll get ridiculed and pressured into changing your ways every single day. I like to engage the anti-MGTOW to see if they can change my mind but noone has been able to do it yet.
>not actively pursuing women doesn't mean your life is chaos.
Expect there are plenty of things in life that is secretly made for couples. Also, no one is going to hold against a young guy in his 20 for being single, but when your in your late 20's and 30's never having a girlfriend will be held against you. Making your life more difficult.
Loving other men? that's gay. MGTOW is for straight men.
You're right, socially it's kind of a chaos because you always need to be strong mentally if you decide to stray from the norm.
If you talk mostly to people who do not value relationships, you are in fact taking the safe route
yes, having sex with proto-humans who lack a frontal lobe and have high rates of STDs and convictions for violent offenses, exposing yourself to a high likelihood of becoming a single mom, dead, and having horrible diseases, is high class compared to using modern technology to entertain and educate yourself
you all need to just have sex. there is no such thing as politics unless it means taking from you, a white male
everything wrong with your life is solely your fault and there is no way to fix it other than to have sex and pull yourself up by your bootstraps
Many MGTOW go prison gay. Its easier to have sex with your buddy than trying to find a masculine girl
Sure, but I don't.
holy shit are you me?
>tfw you have a perfect girlfriend,
>hot, cute, good in bed and funny
>tfw I break up because I'm incredibly bored
Correct. You sensationalize it but people who live their lives as talking vegetables are bottom tier, worse than homeless people
You are delusional. Most mgtows I have seen are divorced men that were ruined by a divorce or crazy chicks.
I don't know where you got that idea. But it's wrong.
Also who said anything about masculine girls?
The problem is that it isn't a safe route to take. You only think it's safe because you lack experience and foresight to see the future.
sounds like cope coming from someone who finally got a gf only to find out she used to fuck niggers or something
sensationalize?
how often do you think black men end up raising their children?
>Most mgtows I have seen
Most MGTOW I have seen and met are young conservatives who can't get dates, but instead of taking personal responsibility, they blame things like feminism.
I'm one of them. I was in a relationship once and that empty feeling never went away and when she left me I had nothing, I realized most of my problems in life were practical and not social, that's why I went my own way instead.
It is the safe route if you surround yourself with similar people
>personal responsibility
meanwhile women are a net -$100,000 to the economy on average because feminism rewards them for getting knocked up by guys who dont care about them
but yes its all mens fault that there is a large group of men who now cant get laid even though women literally get paid to make mistakes fucking guys out of their league
Are you the screen zombie I was talking about
it doesnt matter how nice they appear, if none of them will let you fuck them they might as well just twist the knife themselves
>men fuck below their league
Sounds like men are retarded.
Also if you cant find a girl with a good income thats a personal problem