dont you think its funny how hypocritical these "robots" are who eat meat? you are like normies who cry about dogs and cats being eaten in china, yet eat cows, pigs and chickens yourself
most of this board is just whining about being mistreated by the hands of normies, lol
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Why do you talk to humans and not chickens? You dont know the difference
the weak shouId fear the strong
first time real world?
>they can talk tho
mentally retarded people cant verbally communicate, nor communicate in any other way. does that make it okay for us to enslave and kill them for our pleasure?
not to mention these animals can communicate. science has shown that animals from pigs, cows, mice and crows have distinctive cries and sounds to express emotions and talk about concepts such as weather or food
lol
>tfw did many posts about my own experience with veganism, health and ways to get more people into it
>op ignored me completely, didnt reply and didnt discuss anything with me
Ill be honest it kinda stings.
I asked you a question. You answered with hypocrisy
>me ignoring veganism
lies and fake news. i am r9k's most autistic vegan shitposter. i show up at vegan discussions like flies on shit, or simps to orbiting threads
PLEASE explain how im hypocritical
just because we cant verbally communicate with them doesnt mean they cant suffer
we cant verbally communicate with dogs either, but all you retards lose your minds when chinks eat dogs or cats
we cant verbally communicate with chimpanzees or gorillas, but again, all you dumbasses would lose your mind if i started killing them for fun, in the same way that you kill pigs and cows for fun
>cats and dogs are friends,not food! =O
retard
Thats not an answer. Were not verbally communicating now either. You are getting upset for no reason other than your own hypocrisy
I was in your thread yesterday i think. Or was it two days ago, this week is blurred. Im the guy into fitness and calisthenics that is trying to go full vegan, but still cheats by eating river fish i catch a couple times a year. I guess i should of asked you questions directly, but I went on about ways to get peoppe to cut back on meat,while questioning your methods when it comes to exposure of veganism to others. I was blabbering on basically trying to go on a path of reduction and a slippery slope of sorts, so that if people cut back, theres no reason they cant cut back more. And if they can cut back more, they can stop completely. But maybe you were tired or had other things to do. Sadly the same for me now, bad timing for me. Goodnight!
vegans are pig fuckers, they deserve death
anothre unoriginal vegan repost, fuck off or be original like me.
I listened to some Jamie.T earlier and I'll be honest, not super into it but I like the song, zombie.
humans will never stop eating meat, cope with it npc
>mentally retarded people cant verbally communicate, nor communicate in any other way.
and yet here you are talking. but seriously, plenty of retarded people can talk not sure where you heard otherwise.
And your argument almost sounds like you value animals over humans, since when was the ability to communicate the deciding factor in whether something should or should not be eaten? The central moral dilemma found in veganism is the ideologies inability to explain why the lives of multicellular organisms should be valued more than single celled creatures. Answer that for me and i'll consider your lifestyle less retarded
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Animals have no moral value, get your metaethical shit together brainlets
I unironically believe that non-human animals are non sentient and cannot feel/experience pain. I think their bodies and brains exist and they can sense pain as well as everything else but there is no "soul" (for lack of a better word, I'm not religious) to feel the pain.
I do believe humans are the only sentient animals capable of true consciousness and every other animal is not truly conscious but is instead an extremely complex 'machine' which is much like us but incapable of actual consciousness. Which is why humans are the only animals to give enough of a fuck to ask "why" or "what" (look it up, animals don't ask questions they just go through the motions like robots).
Not to mention nature itself is built around the whole idea of survival of the fittest. We're simply evolved to the point that we are above every other species on the planet, and therefore to us anything non human isn't worth as much.
Before you start saying "but you care more about dogs/pet animals" I've literally eaten dog before
the "argument" on your picture as nothing to do with hypocrisy and it doesnt represent meat eaters. chinks are eating live insects wich is unthinkable for a close-minded western individual.
No, because non-human animals are not human.
yeah, i remember the post, and i read it, but it was just you telling your experiences. you didnt make any arguements for or agaisnt veganism, you were just posting your experiences with cutting back meat
> but still cheats by eating river fish i catch a couple times a year
i mean, i think its unreasonable to expect people to be perfect, but i do think its reasonable to expect you to try. why are you even going more plant based in the first place?
ethics? environment? cost?a vegan diet is cheaper than a non-vegan diet is it for the environemnt?
why do you still eat fish? fish are bad as fuck for you. you can get omega 3's from ground up flax seeds or walnuts
fish are poison and its immoral to eat them, as they have a brain, can suffer, and dont want die
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>You are getting upset for no reason other than your own hypocrisy
WHAT AM I HYPOCRITICAL ABOUT? please tell me what im hypocritical about, im waiting
typical dumbass meat eater. vegans try to reduce animal suffering as much as reasonably possible, and you hate them for it. why? its probably because you're experiencing cognitive dissonance
>plenty of retarded people can talk not sure where you heard otherwise.
but plenty cannot. does that make it okay to kill them because they cannot talk?
whats the difference between animals and humans that makes it okay for us to enslave and kill them for our taste pleasure?
>since when was the ability to communicate the deciding factor in whether something should or should not be eaten?
i never said it was. YOU SAID IT. you said "they cant communicate with us" as a justification for killing them
>Answer that for me and i'll consider your lifestyle less retarded
because mammals, reptiles, birds and fish are SENTIENT AND CONSCIOUS, unlike plants
>animals are the same as human beings
I see where you're coming from, but the central conceit of your argument is wrong. I don't even think that all humans are at a baseline of equal value.
>I unironically believe that non-human animals are non sentient and cannot feel/experience pain
>believing that chimps arent sentient
well you are unironically a retard who denies the overwhelming majority of science that says that animals are sentient
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whats the specific difference between animals and humans that makes it okay for us to enslave and kill animals for our pleasure, but not with humans?
>dont want to die
Name ONE life form which actually does want to die (inb4 suicidal humans lmao)
Literally the point of life is to survive and reproduce and to sustain yourself you have to consume energy usually in the form of other life forms, some of which are better at keeping themselves alive and safe than others.
Why do you talk to people instead of animals? You dont seem to understand the difference
They are sapient though. And science supports moderate consumption of meat and humane killing. Life in the wild is worse than life on a quality farm.
ehh I don't really give a shit, animals don't feel pain and are not self conscious.
>I think their bodies and brains exist and they can sense pain as well as everything else but there is no "soul"
wtf even is a "soul"? they are sentient and conscious, and the scientific condenses is overwhelmingly in agreement
>I do believe humans are the only sentient animals capable of true consciousness and every other animal is not truly conscious but is instead an extremely complex 'machine' which is much like us but incapable of actual consciousness
what even is a human?
>are whites human?
>are blacks human?
>are chimpanzees human?
>are the extinct evolutionary link between black african tribes and chimpanzees human?
where do you even draw the line as to whats human and not? its so fucking arbitrary. richard dawkings makes a great point about this
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>look it up, animals don't ask questions
well, animals cannot use language to ask questions, but they do use their voice as language to communicate with eachother and express ideas, feelings, and talk about the weather and food
>Not to mention nature itself is built around the whole idea of survival of the fittest
does that morally justify rape, genocide and enslavement of weaker races because we are stronger than them? are you saying might is right?
would you be okay with a superior alien species invading earth and enslaving humans because they are stronger?
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Explain how you prevent the fertilization of plants with animal products.
i understand they're different. white people are different from black people. adults are different from children. chimpanzees are different from humans
but none of these differences justify enslaving and killing them for our amusement. but we do it to cops pigs and chickens
just because were different doesnt make it okay for us to rape and kill for our pleasure
>And science supports moderate consumption of meat
it literally doesnt though. any consumption of dietary cholesterol from a baseline vegan level raises your cholesterol dramatically. and meat is a cancer carcinogen
>animals don't feel pain and are not self conscious.
yes they are. ive posted a lot of scientific evidence in this thread showing they are
please post scientific evidence showing animals are NOT sentient or conscious, otherwise shut your ignorant ass up
can u reply to this with ur evidence of animal sentience. I don't want to sift through the ramblings of a deranged veggiebrain
It's impossible to even prove that other humans possess a consciousness at all. It is quite possible that me/you/reader is the only being in the universe who is actually sentient. But that's another debate.
I'm giving other people the benefit of the doubt here since they actually seem to have a level of consciousness and understanding that animals don't. Consciousness is not necessary for animals to show emotions/biases etc as these can be learned and evolved traits.
And yeah I personally believe chimps arent sentient, I believe something happened between slightly pre-caveman/neanderthal times and now that gave humans a certain gift of actual awareness.
Whether that gift was divine intervention, aliens, random mutation, or something else beyond our understanding, I do believe there is something big that sets us apart from the rest of the animals that we can't put our fingers on.
Why are we the only ones to develop written language? To draw pictures that represent animals or objects? To grasp completely abstract concepts? To search for meaning?
I mean in the end I'm just explaining my personal thoughts behind this, I could be wrong but this is what I believe and why I am comfortable with eating meat.
>none
Then why do other animals eat animals? If they arent justified we can punish them.
>any consumption of cholesterol
Your body makes cholesterol, so this argument is actually mentally retarded. Also, vegan diet doesnt even come into the top five for diets that combat heart disease and support brain health in old age. Cutting out fish is basically writing a check for dementia, and vegans often have deficiencies in various vitamins.
>Seventh-Day Adventists run vegan propaganda
I thought it was common knowledge that they're the ones pushing most of the bullshit data that most vegans cite as gospel?
i didnt read all of it, but they did use one meta-analysis to show that dietary cholesterol does NOT impact your blood cholesterol levels
im referring to this
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this is an insanely flawed study, because it looked at people with already high cholesterol in the first place.
i havent found a vegan response to this directly on the vegan reddit, unfortunately. but i can link a lot of science that contradicts EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR CLAIMS. they literally argue that every single point that vegans make is wrong, which is fucking absurd
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a lot of these studies are funded by the meat, dairy and egg industries, which are multi-billion dollar industries which can afford to pay for science which supports their claims. theres only money in animal products and processed foods
THERES NO MONEY IN WHOLE VEGETABLES. theres no money in beans, broccoli, sweet potatoes, apples and walnuts. you never see advertisements for these whole foods, only for farm meat, and junk food like coca-cola and mcdonalds
literally the tobacco industry did the same thing. the tobacco industry used to pay tens of millions for scientific studies that showed that tobacco was harmless. if its bad for you, its profitable
>are whites human?
>are blacks human?
>are chimpanzees human?
>are the extinct evolutionary link between black african tribes and chimpanzees human?
>yes
>yes
>no
>literally how can you have trouble identifying a human from a non human, the line between humans and other animals is clearer than between any other 2 animals in the entire fucking animal kingdom
meat taste good
and i am stronger than animals
Michael Greger is propped up by Seventh-day Adventists as well.
I don't even think that all humans are at a baseline of equal value.
>i dont believe in science unless it agrees with my fad diet
All credibility lost
>op makes a very extreme point
>everyone else argues points that are varying degrees of extremity
>since everyone else has differing views on this point, OP sees that people are contradicting each other arguing against his point
>op spends all day researching points for his arguments while asking uneducated randoms on the internet to argue their side
>op assumes that because he has more sources and because nobody can agree on what REALLY BOILS DOWN TO A FUCKING GRAY AREA that he is actually correct
>op has a literal monkey brain and is wasting all of our time including his own
caring about being logically consistent is fucking gay and cringe.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST HOLD WHATEVER POSITION IS MOST BENEFICIAL TO YOU AT THE MOMENT NOOOOO THATS A HECKIN COGNITIVE DISSONANCARINO!!!! RICK SANCHEZ WOULDNT DO THAT!!!!!
bitch shut the fuck up.
just because there is science showing something is healthy, doesnt mean it is
there LITERALLY dozens of studies on tobacco, which were all funded by the tobacco industry, which shows that tobacco is perfectly harmless
same thing as the sugar industry. there are dozens of studies funded by coca-cola, krispy-kreme and mars bars that show that they are not bad for your health at all
but all the independent studies which received no financial support from any industry ALL showed that dairy, meat, processed soda and candy bars and tobacco are bad for you
if theres a profit incentive for companies to make industry backed science that showed favorable results, they will fund them, because it makes MONEY. these companies make MONEY, you stupid goy
its funny because everyone hates the jews, yet they buy animal products, which support these huge industries which destroy the environment, kill animals, destroys your health, and makes jews rich. you better believe theres a ton of jewish CEO's who run meat, dairy, processed candy bars and soda, and tobacco companies, retard
i eat meat because its available and i like it
why shouldn't i
greger is not affiliated with any religious organization, and there are studies out there showing that vegans have lower BMI, rates of diabetes and high blood pressure, that arent the adventist study
adventists dont make money from veganism, unlike how meat and dairy companies make money from selling dead animals
sure, i dont think theres anything wrong with that. but just because you dont value them, doesnt mean its okay to kill and enslave them for fun. for example, i dont care about black people, but i still think its wrong to enslave and kill them. i dont care for children, but i think its wrong to rape and kill them
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>there are studies out there showing that vegans have lower BMI, rates of diabetes and high blood pressure
>people that follow a specific diet have healthier lifestyles
WHOA GUYS GROUNDBREAKING FUCKING NEWS HERE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE TO WATCH WHAT THE EAT TEND TO LIVE HEALTHIER LIVES WHO THE FUCK WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
That logic can also be applied to vegan promoting studies. Balanced diets include some meat. Real science is agnostic to the ethics of eating meat or judging people by what they eat.
Low cholesterol is a thing. Low vitamin B and D are a thing. Regions with insufficient fertile soil are a thing. The feed that animals consume is often inedible or unpalatable for humans, so the energy argument is debatable. If you completely ignore these because there are always highly specific alternatives and work arounds, you are exactly the same person that you hate, a meat eater who will eat meat out of spite and ignore your dumbass opinions
You're partially correct. But then you jump on studies that are funded by people with their own agenda
>"they good boys!"
>whats snakeoil and supplement industry
>what's religious institutions
>what's electric and various general production industries that all come in favor for veganism, while pumping out more harmful shit into the environment
You're correct on one thing. The jews want a profit. The difference is that the game is rigged and there's no choice. You can eat from the left hand or eat from the right hand, you're still eating from the same entity and they will still find a way to profit from it. If you think that there's a difference between people who push for tobacco, alcohol, meat,vegetables, alternative lifestyles or anything else, you're not as informed as I thought.
Mind you i'm only focusing on the jewish and monetary aspect. Morals and the rest are another debate.
>i dont care about black people, but i still think its wrong to enslave and kill them
Nigger
>that arent the adventist study
post it
>greger is not affiliated with any religious organization
>constant sponsored talks, interviews or study reviews from the adventists
The first thing a Jew does is change his surname when he infiltrates. He's still a jew.
Are you implying with this picture that a dumb fucking pig can experience suffering exactly like a human?
Are you implying you can unironically bully a pig into becoming a fucking shut in loser with social anxiety due to years of childhood trauma?
>not affiliated with religious organizations
>most of his studies are taken from the The Adventist Health Studies or institutions that are endorsed by Loma Linda University
hm
Based. People should figure out what diet works for them and keep their blood screened every year.
Caloric restriction is the only caveat to that I think. Periodic fasting or keeping your calorie count low has been proven to improve overall health markers. But that could be comparing to overeating or highly processed foods
nurses health study 1 and 2, which showed that meat eaters had higher bmi, higher blood pressure and higher cholesterol
Having low bmi, low blood pressure, or low cholesterol is not good
>being a fat diabetic obese hamplanet is healthy
literally people who have diabetes, obesity, and high blood pressure are significantly more likely to go to the ER or die if they get the corona virus
vegans have the lowest rates of diabetes, obesity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol out of any dietary group
Vegans have a lot of other complications and you didnt address the point.
Medi, Okinawa, and DASH have better numbers than vegan.
Doctors dont even recommend going vegan when you have diabetes or high blood pressure. You might create new pathologies.
>1lb over 4 years
wow
Usually we only see these threads every couple of weeks or so.
What's the matter, veganposter? Get laid off or something?
If fried retard tasted as good as fried chicken I'd be running a retard farm already
>tfw eat a diet of vegetables, whole grains, fruits, nuts, yogurt and meat, while exercising
And that's "literally" because the category "meat-eaters" includes the idiotic masses who live off Big Macs. Between sample sizes of people with similar habits meat-eaters actually fare better than vegans/vegetarians. No, I'm not gonna provide a source because you're not worth the effort. But it's true.